/ Jimmy Saville/NHS
and it REALLY pisses me off that whilst his family has destroyed his memorial out of respect, there are still some who are prepared to host a site respecting him, and showing him when he got his knighthood. This photo of him smiling out at his victims, is a major disrespect to the victims, and this chap has been asked to remove it , but has refused to do so. his memorial is still up there for abusers across the world to visit, they could not even have done that at the real grave, so I think that this job is not done until this virtual memorial is also destroyed, so if there are any hackers out there please feel free to attach this particular entry, not the site because my own family graves/ photos are on there.
Yea right let's forget about it
It'll never happen again if we do that
They need someone to fix it to get some investigators in for them
After that first uncharitable thought you should have sat down and thought about it for ten minutes. Then you might have realised that the important thing is to find out what went wrong and ensure that it can't happen again. Just a thought of my own; I've been to Stoke Mandeville. He was doing IT in a place like that?
It has little to do with fame and very much to do with the population acting as ostriches for decades. Look at the front page of the independant yesterday with estimates that only 1 in 100 rapes results in prosecution. Then think of various churches response to known paeodphiles at that time, often just moving them to a new area. Then see how we've looked after young people in care; even ignoring them when they warn us they are beng groomed or in some cases raped. I've said here before, that people have forgotten what things were like then (and only really starting to change significantly in recent years); Saville was widely rumoured to be just another famous letch (the stuff with kids just wasn't widely known).
The report this week criticises the investigation in 2009 which is very relevant to how long ago crimes are dealt with now and in the future.
I guess that they want to be clear in there own minds what was likely to have happened as an explosive cocktail of lawyers, decades old allegations, few if any hard facts coupled with potentially millions up for grabs in compensation could lead people astray.
Sorry to say despite the passage of time since this story broke I'm still cynical as to some peoples motives
I think that it's worth bearing in mind that we live in a VERY VERY different world now to that of the 70s. My parents have pictures of me and my brother and sister running around naked at the beach in the bath etc which were sent for developing at the local chemist. Wonder how long it would take NOW between dropping off such perfectly innocent pictures and getting a knock at the door.
> Look at the front page of the independant yesterday with >estimates that only 1 in 100 rapes results in prosecution.
Remember reading a few years back a woman had had consentual sex with a co-worker at a Christmas party. A few days later reality dawns after co-worker boasts of 'conquest'. Woman embarrassed revokes consent says she was taken advantage of after getting tippsy. Reports rape.... police take no action.
A few years ago I remember a case where a woman claimed she only had sex because she was drunk. The judge in that case said that 'even drunken consent is consent' and the case was thrown out.
More recently I seem to remember a similar case where the judge said that the drunken woman was 'in no state to give consent'.
It's unclear in my view, I guess it depends on the mood of the presiding judge/jury and how good the relevant lawyer is.
Completely agree flat out drunk/unconscious IS rape but I think in the case I site above it was that consent can't be withdrawn after the fact.
I'm not sure but can there be a grey area to this or is that just the male side of me???
> What I think this highlights is more the difference as to what the law and individuals consider to be rape.
> Remember reading a few years back a woman had had consentual sex with a co-worker at a Christmas party. A few days later reality dawns after co-worker boasts of 'conquest'. Woman embarrassed revokes consent says she was taken advantage of after getting tippsy. Reports rape.... police take no action.
I suspect (if it is the cases I recall) it was more likely that the police did take action and the report you were reading followed the acquittal of the defendant at court.
Though if a womane came in and reported the circumstances as baldly as that:- ie "I said yes but I was drunk" the chances are that there wouldn't be a decision to charge.
I read about the case in a broadsheet where a barrister was giving there reason as to why figures looked so bad.
Most people think all rapes involve a woman being dragged into bushes/dark alley by a stranger late at night subjected to violence and then raped but in fact the vast majority happen between people that know each other.
Its hard not to see alcohol as problematic.
You've clearly proving my point... another ostrich. Your focus on those making up stories rather than the genuine victims is morally odd but far too common. Whats your excuse for the priests?
> aThis photo of him smiling out at his victims, is a major disrespect to the victims, and this chap has been asked to remove it , but has refused to do so.
so somebody has a photo of JS on his website and you think they should be forced to take it down? Does the same extend to anybody accused of a crime? Or is it the fact he is smiling?
> so somebody has a photo of JS on his website and you think they should be forced to take it down? Does the same extend to anybody accused of a crime? Or is it the fact he is smiling?
Google display hundreds of pictures of Gary glitter smiling. Should they be brought to task?
Hell I'm sure you can find pictures of Stalin and Hitler smiling if you look.
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