/ Crating the mutt
To set the story we got George from the rescue home about a year ago. At the time he'd had a very rough life up until that point and as far as they could tell had never been anything other than permanently caged and never had a family or any love. As a result of this he had some issues with self harming and his teeth from trying to chew his way out of his cage. Basically because of this when we got him we decided not to crate him until he was well and truly settled.
In the meantime time went by and we forgot about the idea of crating him again until now. So we've bought a crate for him that's plenty big enough, put his bed in there and covered it on top with a blanket so it's basically like a den. At the moment we're just leaving the door open so he can come and go as he pleases (within the confines of the kitchen, where the crate is, that is) until he gets used to it. So far he's shown little or no interest in it and any time he goes into it he pretty much comes straight back out again.
Basically it's left me wondering if there's anything I can do to assist the process? As i've read and heard a fair bit that once he gets used to being in there it should become his safe spot and will help calm his behaviour when we're out. Which would be helpful. So any suggestions UKC font of all knowledge?
Feed him it, give him treats every time he goes in it and never use it as a naughty step. That's my tuppence worth.
What is crating?
Good work on getting a rescue! Just wondering what the purpose of crating is? Our rescue is more than happy with his bed in the kitchen at nights and in front of the fire in the evenings, (although the sofa is lurcher heaven). Does he wreck the house when left alone?
Good is very much a relative term when he's involved ;)
No but in all seriousness whilst he's mostly good. He does get a lot of separation anxiety. One of the suggestions that comes up again and again when it comes to this is crating as it's said to keep the dog calmer when they're in a more confined space.
Anyway so far he's not shown any aversion or stress with it just absolutely no desire to settle in it either.
For the foreseeable future until such time as it either turns out to be a complete non runner and on ebay/gumtree or he takes a shine to it. It's being left there in the quiet corner with the door open and his bed in it should he decide to take an interest in it. So hopefully it won't add any stress into his pretty idyllic life.
> What is crating?
It's a sexual practice involving dogs.
I always give our dog a bedtime biscuit, in his crate. At home we always leave the door open, but if we are away then sometimes we shut him in. Nonetheless he always trots off into his crate when I say "bedtime". Unless he's already there, waiting for me !!
> What is crating?
It's what dog owners who don't want to take responsibility for the training of their pets do to stop them destroying the house when they're out or asleep.
Now tell me rather than your snide contemptible answer. What would you do with a rescue dog who's had a very hard start in life that has separation anxiety and mild behavioural issues relating to his unfortunate early life. I've no problem letting my dog roam the house. The main reason my wife and I are trying this is not "to stop them destroying the house when they're out" it's so that hopefully when he gets used to it and feels more secure in it he won't be as distressed when left on his own for periods of time.
Dogs have a natural instinct to use a den, so in that respect, creating a den (and if you have to use a crate then so be it) is a good positive thing to do for the psychological health of the animal
Closing the door and enclosing the animal in for any real length of time is purely for the convenience of the owner. Wolf dens etc. don't tend to get locked behind them.
Wolves also don't wear leads and chew small furry cows...
Frank - our dog is very young so is still figuring things out, but in addition to being fed in her crate, we've carried on with the 'hot water bottle' thing that people recommend for puppy's first night. I know George isn't a puppy but associating the crate with 'nice warm snuggly thing' might be worth a try...?
I can't help with your question but I only come on these threads to see pictures of other peoples dogs, because we can't have a dog for various reasons including the GF being massively allergic to them.
So go on, Give us a picture for George.
How could anyone have mistreated him, he looks amazing. I especially like the photo of him with the chicken.
Fantastic pooch! excellent pics :-)
Dude needs a haircut though, he looks like Joey Ramone..... :-)
> Closing the door and enclosing the animal in for any real length of time is purely for the convenience of the owner. Wolf dens etc. don't tend to get locked behind them.
Please tell me you are not going to start that old cliche dogs are descended from wolves which are pack animals blah blah are you?
Simplified rubbish for people who don't understand the behaviour of dogs IMHO.
The story sounds very similar to one of the rescue dogs I had. He had previously been locked in a crate for much of the time, and having more energy than he knew what to do with would be absolutely frantic and get himself in a proper state. When I got him we tried as you have letting him have the run of the house, and whilst he was generally good, he really suffered from separation anxiety (known trait with his breed) and if he got upset during the day then I would inevitably come home to find something destroyed, for example a complete 3 seater sofa torn into little pieces.
We didnít want to use a crate, and fortunately got a lot of good advice from people with dogs from the same rescue organisation, so thought I would share what worked for us at least. The first thing was to create an area that was his, we just used a small corner of the living room (which was open to kitchen) where there was walls on two sides and the side of the sofa forming the third side, and moved his dog bed there. It was close to all the action in the house, but at the same time when he went there he was completely left along. Key was making it a positive place for him, he was never sent there, and he just took to it as his spot. We did reduce the area of the house he had access to when we were out a little by closing bedroom doors, but generally let him roam so he could protect his pad, investigate noises, etc. Other thing we realised was the house was really quiet, so we used to leave the radio on in the kitchen so there was some level of background noise. Also made out being alone was no big deal, just leave with no fuss, and come home and act as if he wasnít there (he would be beyond excited someone was home), and then later once he had settled down then call him over and make a fuss of him. Also we avoided strict routine since he would get upset if it was not adhered to (if we were late or whatever). Some mornings I would get up and take him straight out for a walk, others I would have breakfast first and then take him. Some days come home and feed him straight away, others wait some time. The biggest thing though in getting it to work (and donít mean to point out the obvious) was loads of exercise, especially in the early days, before he was left alone.
Sounds a lot of hassle (and this is without mentioning his fear of being in cars, hose pipes, puddles, vacuums, sticks, etc, etc, etc) but he very quickly took to things and relaxed into a superb dog. He has lived in numerous houses, and a couple of countries, and is an absolutely brilliant outdoor companion. Some things we have maintained such as him having a corner spot that is his, and the lack of routine (because life does not allow for it really), but generally he is completely unfazed by life.
I would suggest that you might visit the dogpages forum where there are a lot of experienced rescue dog owners who have helped me a lot.
> I would suggest that you might visit the dogpages forum where there are a lot of experienced rescue dog owners who have helped me a lot.
I found them horrid..
I opted not to adopt a dog off there.. had a thread started about me how I was just in for a cute pedigree..
I took in a dog with a near fatal condition, which needed 5000 quid in surgery and has had constant mental issues since..
I found them quite despicable, bullying people..
Fly likes a routine though.. well her routine.. I wake up and we go play with ball.. I get flying jumps, pushes and barks until I realise she's right..
we then have a peaceful day until she decides it's food time..
But she's always liked her spot.. in numerous houses she's taken some spot which is hers.. but has to be left to roam.. no doors shut..she's happy in another room as long as she can come when she wants to..
I'm starting to think that dogs are no different to children in the way that people like to tell you what you 'should' do rather than just sharing their own experience and offering insights that way - it's a minefield of judgements and criticism out there.
Frank sounds very reasonable in saying 'we're trying this, it might not work, it's not the end of the world if it doesn't' - and his dog looks ace :-)
we've had Meg, Gem, Nel, Lex, Pippa, Auchen, Fly, Bella and Bren in the immediate family.. collies, mongrels, hounds, greyhouds, spaniels, gordon setters.. each dog has been so different..
But christmas is fun.. :-)
Very true - just an alsatian cross, two rescue gordon setters, a labrador, a working cocker and now a pointer here. As you say, all very different, and it's about working out their little nuances and quirks. As with people, so with dogs, cats, etc - they're not all the same.
But as Clare says dog owners can be very self righteous.. this is right.. that is wrong etc..
I took on another rescue dog, asked would I have her, I reckoned she was pregnant, assured not, took her, she got fat.. 7 pups later and the first week of married life is in a caravan with 9 dogs..
food bills.. bedding.. cleaning.. vets fees.. I asked £50 a pup and even drove some of them 3 hrs to new homes and was hung up as a profiteer.. there to exploit dogs..
As it was I asked £50 to make sure they actually wanted a dog.. I basically gave one away as I knew she was going to a great home and they were skint.. she's the collie at Petes Eats a lot.. often seen at the bins scrounging chips.. :-)
I still think that any attempt to crate a dog that has been stressed out by being caged, however well meaning, is cruel and will stress that dog. That is my opinion. If you think that is me being critical and judgemental then so be it, I say what I think, same as I would if someone was mistreating a child. Well meaning is not the same as reasonable. I haven't criticised your use of a crate because your dog does not have the same history.
Both the ones my mum had were rescue dogs. One was bold as brass, great dog, but the other was neurotic as they come and insisted on lots of cuddles... fair enough except a 9st dog sitting on your lap is a little, well, decisive...
> Both the ones my mum had were rescue dogs. One was bold as brass, great dog, but the other was neurotic as they come and insisted on lots of cuddles... fair enough except a 9st dog sitting on your lap is a little, well, decisive...
Very familiar.. Bren curls up like a kitten on your lap.. just a 9 stone kitten..
Yeah Alan.. he really is not that smart.. a door is open an inch.. all other dogs open it.. he puts his head behind it then runs forwards shutting it on himself..
Fair comment. I just find the assumption that people (the parent, the pet owner) hasn't thought these things through a little hard to swallow... If I'd listened to the people on here who (without having any idea about my previous experience with dogs) suggested I shouldn't get one because I wouldn't be able to manage it (!), I wouldn't have the Lottahound sitting on my foot now.
> , but the other was neurotic as they come and insisted on lots of cuddles... fair enough except a 9st dog sitting on your lap is a little, well, decisive...
Appreciate the support thanks.
He really does and is ace for that matter. He constantly gets compliments from strangers when walking him round the park and he's ace to bring mountainbiking too.
We all have advice and mean well.. so asky away but be prepared to stand your ground and say what suits your dog as that is what matters..
I reckon MB, TC and myself have similar views when you boil it down.
They are evil.. :-)
Seriously enjoy.. play.. enjoy.. a slight bit of learning.. but that comes latter to the rest for me..
THIS ^^^^ is where i'm at really. I spend an awful lot of time with him. Just trying to try something new to see if it helps his anxiety.
Anyway, we got a crate, enticed her in with a few treats and some smelly slippers, and left the door open to start with. It worked brilliantly, she's totalled settled and happy in it, and on the occasions now where she's left uncrated, she doesn't wreck the place. It's like she's lost the habit of destruction.
Good luck with it, and cool-looking dog btw )))
> It's what dog owners who don't want to take responsibility for the training of their pets do to stop them destroying the house when they're out or asleep.
Comments like this are NOT welcome or usefull. Please kep such rubbish to yourself!
Now at 2yrs old he sleeps in his Plastic/Travel crate with no problems or issues at all. Not because I have no time for him, but because there has been plenty research to say its good for your dog to have a safe place to retreat and getting him used to a kennel or crate means taking them on trips is way easier and pleasent for your companion.
Point being, you need to gain his trust and let him know that its a good and safe thing and most importantly that you will ALWAYS come back to him. He needs to feel like he is no.1 in your life. Play and treats as soon as you return, only leave for 30secs and then build up the time, play with him and give him treats in his cage rather than outside it. Make it a happy and safe place.
It will work. Good luck.
Firstly, I don't get the point of anyone wanting to keep their dog in a cage with the door shut overnight (or for any period of time) whatsoever.
If you want your dog to have a "safe space" and you know he has spent most of his life confined to a tiny little wire box, then why on earth would you want to shut him in one again? If he's decided he doesn't like it as his little haven, then why bother trying to get him to? Couldn't you just put his bed in the corner/under a table, somewhere where he feels tucked away but not trapped?
Seems to me like you're giving yourself a lot of hard work for no reason whatsoever! That old expression about leading a horse to water comes to mind...
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