In reply to Nigel R Lewis: Did iron claws and douglas gap today, much the same to report as the other guys, except we got a very early start and had topped out on iron claws by 9am, by which time it was starting to drip with the full glare of the sun on it. then went and did a soft but fat douglas gap. routes are still in fine nick, but get there VERY early! on another note we checked out virgin falls as it looked fat from the road, but on closer inspection it was rotten, was probably in nick 2 days ago but has suffered in the sun the last 2 days.