In reply to Jonny2vests:
> (In reply to pec, offwidth, Toreador, and lots of other people that respectfully don't perhaps stretch beyond HVS often and therefore have a biased opinion but will probably bite when they see this) >
If I don't stretch beyond HVS very often (and you've no idea whether I do or not) surely I'd be more likely to find HVS's harder, not easier?
> Well 600 odd votes in the log book say you're wrong.>
The votes suggest to me there are a lot climbers of out there who can't thrutch which bears out my point about climbing walls and crimping.
There are probably also a lot of votes from VS climbers pushing their grade because they've heard its low in the grade.
There are also probably a lot of votes from climbers who just haven't been climbing that long and haven't got much to judge it by.
Personally, I'd rather trust the opinions of 6 climbers with 20+ years climbing on grit behind them than 600 of the above.
> Hey, I live in the capital of thrutching, any time you fancy a thrutch off on a real crack, give me a shout >
I like a good thrutch (check out my profile pic), I might take you up on that