/ Glasgow Ice Factor Open
If you have been inducted at kinlochleven and climbed there on other occasions do you need another induction? Surely a cross check should suffice? Does Jamie B still work there? Can he answer? :)
Do we have a website? I can't find one
seems so... it suggests that from the website anyway
Thanks, out of interest what happens if you're no longer a member of Ice Factor (it expired in 2011/12) but did the induction there in the past?
Or to extend that...what if you've only ever climbed at Ice Factor as a guest? So I'll be on their system, but not as a member...will I have to do the Snow Factor Induction?
I had the good fortune to receive an invitation for this opening night, to sample the ice before it's opened to the public.
I really enjoyed the evening and at £10 (or so I believe), it's well worth a visit.
There was also a rep from DMM who let us sample the new Switch Axes and the other 2. The Switch looked much better in black (millitary version) than silver/red. Nice handles, a little less beef (even with additional head weights) that I prefer, the useless adze looks lethal, pointing towards your face! I still think Nomics (IMO) have the slight edge in balance/swing, then again only my opinion.
I do wish they'd have a consistent policy, though. Kinlochleven is just as bad, sometimes insisting that you have an up-to-date membership, other times just happy that you're registered. It's all a bit confusing for a poor, simple-minded ice climber (let's face it, you have to be slightly simple-minded to think climbing steep ice with marginal protection while festooned with pointy things is a good idea...)
Do they have any kind of useable spike at the bottom of the shaft? The lack of one on the Nomics I have found to be an issue when using them as arm extensions when pushing off things. I liked the spike on the Rebel.
PS I like the look of Jamie's Lum Direct.
Did the 'induction for rock climbers' last night. To climb (unless someone that works there wants to correct me) you have to either be an existing member of Ice Factor, have done the Ice Factor Intro course, or do the Snow Factor Induction.
Speaking to them last night, they're still saying its a 'climb as long as you like' policy so don't know why they told you they're running 2 hour blocks! Did you challenge them on it?
aye they had a spike, they also had a small hole to thread cord through.
i'm glad you like pic, it was awesome, thin, technical ice. proper fun!
So unless your a guide you need to pay the £30 quid to be told how to put on your harness and the jaggy bit of your axe should point towards the wall.
Anyone else think this is a daft rip off or is it just me?
Well climbing is £10, gear hire is £10, so the course is really only an extra £10 for 3 hours of supervised/coached climbing...not too bad I didn't think when you consider what the snowboarding/skiing prices are in there!
does this mean that your induction will be with somebody with one of the above qualifications ? seems a bit overkill for a climbing wall. surely this would be well within the MIC remit ?
Alternatively Adele, if you don't want to do the induction, renew your membership at Kinlochleven for £15. Given that you will then be paying £10 per visit for unlimited climbing, versus £20/£25 for 2 hours at Kinloch it doesn't seem like such a bad deal?
The purpose of the induction is not to tell you how to put on a harness. You won't be accepted for an induction unless you can state climbing/climbing wall experience. It is designed to familiarise customers with the facility and ensure that they have enough basic competence to continue to climb with minimal supervision. Our experience at Kinlochleven was that simply ticking "yes" to having ice-climbed before was not enough to ensure that wall-users were comfortable on the wall, hence the need for a greater degree of control now.
I'm not the manager, but am providing assistance while things get up and running. It's inevitable that there will be teething problems, and I'm sorry that you appear to have experienced these. Message me with your full name and I'll try to get your membership at Kinlochleven verified and someone will be in touch.
we popped down for a curious bumble yesterday afternoon- it was a reminder of just how crap my footwork really is.
you've got some lovely ice and a surprising variety of styles across the routes... a very welcome addition to glasgow's climbing facilities.
hats of to you, jamie: you seem to have put a good bit of thought into the wall / ice design. nice job! looking forward to future visits.
Can't claim any credit for the design, address your praise to my near-namesake Jamie Smith for that. But I did pack a considerable tonnage of ice into the wall when we built it, so do feel a certain pride! Glad you enjoyed your visit.
Not exactly... AMI (Association of Mountaineering Instructors) is a professional body open to anyone who holds the above awards, but membership is not automatic and an MIA/MIC might choose not to join (although most do). Although there is extensive co-operation and resource-sharing between AMI and MLTUK (who administer the awards) they are most definitely separate entities.
I also enjoyed the ice last night...the variety of terrain (gully, arÍte, slabs, corners, overhangs etc) was surprising, as was the variety of ice (snow ice, bubble ice and some hard water ice!), as well as the dry tooling overhang!.
I have emailed Snow Factor to express a few irritations:
1. £1 non-refundable for lockers - rip off. And if you forget something you have to use more £1's.
2. Induction I believe is essential,(lots of sharp pointy things to do damage to self and others) but it is too long and therefore could be cheaper.
In summary, a great experience and well worth the £10 a throw from now on. I will certainly be going back. If anyone else has done the induction and is looking for someone to climb with at the ice wall, please feel free to get in touch.,
Cheers Andrew, nice to meet you too and thanks for the feedback, which will be discussed.
Hi Jamie. I was down on Monday afternoon for a few hours, we were the only people climbing.
There are some great routes and the ice is excellent. We finished off with an attempt on the dry tool overhang!! Suffice to say neither of us managed to top out, but we came close, kind of.
Gear wise they have Phantom Guides, G12s and Monsters. All excellent.
Definitely be back some point soon, recommended!
That'll be me then! Not drafted direct from Kinloch - I used to work there fulltime but I'm a freelance gun-for-hire now. Just helping to get things up-and-running...
Hi Andrew, I'd be up for climbing with you at Snow Factor sometime!
Also had my induction from Jamie B, who was class, on the first day the ice opened (the saturday).
The lockers are a major rip off and have always been.
As someone else said, the induction isn't too bad, £10 for your ice time, £10 for the gear hire, and then it's only another tenner for essentially 3 hours of coaching, not too shabby.
I booked in on my own, got on a lesson with one other guy. So yeah, you can book in on your own.
Yes, there needs to be 2 people but I just booked by myself and they let me know when someone else matched the date - it was fine.
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