/ Top Rope routes Lake District - near Scafell/Wasdale
It will be my first time trad climbing and ideally I want to toperope it for confidence in setting protection. The kit I have consists of a 35m rope with a variation of slings and a couple of quick draws. Ideally if I can use these then it would be a bonus!
We will camp at Wasdale head National Trust campsite. I bought a guide today 'Lake District Rock' which has a couple of short routes:
Would any of these have decent top rope protection?
I would be comfortable climbing up to 5c max.
Personally I'd look to lead some really easy climbs (diffs) and practice placing some gear that way, but that's up to you.
I think you would struggle to set a top rope with the gear you specify. A small bunch of wires and a couple of hex's would make life a lot easier, as Martin suggests a bit of rigging rope would really help.
probably good idea to consult a few climbing websites/books for the best way to set up a top rope outdoors. If you go down the wire/hex's line, good to practice placement at ground level before committing.
there are some great mountains and scrambles in Wasdale
I will try and pick up a few nuts and hexes, probably just go for a simple lead if thats the case. What about sport routes in the area? If there are longer pitches I suppose I could lead upto 15m ish with my rope safely.
As for scrambles its the first time in the area so we will have to walk up Scafell Pike, I heard one of the routes from our campsite splits off to a low grade scramble.
Sorry, just re-reading your post. I didn't realise you only had a few slings. Scrub my advice above.
Your post is quite mixed-up, I thought you wanted to top-rope to practice placing gear. I now see your new to climbing outdoors and don't have much kit.
You'll need more, as suggested above, and importantly know how to use it. Building top-rope anchors has it's own considerations, especially if using pro to build them (rather than just popping a few slings around a few trees).
How do you know that if you've not climbed outdoors before? Start low and see how you go. There are some great diffs and v diffs about, well worth doing rather than skipping over and working your way up isn't a bad thing...
I think you'd be better trying to find someone with a bit more kit and experience to head out with, see what you need and how to use it.
You can practice placing gear more effectively/intensively by walking along the bottom of a crag or boulders and seeing what gear you can get on (slings, nuts) in cracks, flakes, spikes. Also practice putting it in from either side with one hand etc. Practise clipping in too.
Simply for the ease of toprope I fancied going this route if possible on some lake district rock near to our campsite.
I think your reply is sensible - you understand that should your anchor fail the consequences could be dire and you intend to address any inadequacies in your experience before proceeding.
my top tip use three points of attachment for the anchor - you may get one wrong, you might get two wrong but you have to very very unlucky to get three wrong.
I'm with you as to getting on harder grades - if you have a secure top rope why not
When you start to lead Diff/VDiff will probably feel challenging at first
good luck - be careful, enjoy your apprenticeship
Hare crags has a big slab that you could toprope. No idea of the routes on it since we use it to teach the boy to abseil, but there will be routes in the guide, and it's a lot quieter than places like Scout Crags so you're less likely to get in anyone's way toproping. It does rely on nut/hex belays though, so definitely get some more gear and be sure you know how to use it to rig your anchor.
I hope not. I took the last one out about ten years ago.
EOB agreed to remove the bolts as unnecessary but one proved stubborn, requiring an engineers touch.
Is a return visit required?
Plenty of natural belays at the crag, but possibly not yet for the novices in the OP.
BTW, OP would have to check bird restrictions at Brantrake.
It's a popular misconception that single-pitch crags can be easily rigged as you describe. In reality most will require nut and hexes, plus a length of ideally static rope to equalise and extend.
Sorry if you already realise this - but 5c in your FRCC guide is equivalent to around 6b at the climbing wall.
Grades are just but a number...
Is it? Not sure, but both options do require an array of trad gear and knowledge of how to place it and equalise belays. The idea that you can top-rope crags just by putting a sling around a block or tree is naive in the extreme.
I have realised that the Lakes do not have much in the way of bolted climbs. I will stick to the easy stuff and climb it trad.
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