In reply to GrahamD: not really dismissing the climbers, just those in the club as its said to be quite a clicky group and not so welcoming to newcomers. the wall is unfortunately crap specially for a city that is pretty far from any good crags. dont misunderstand me, im going from more what one of the new members had informed me of and from what ive seen from going there, the dirtyness and how packed out it can get during parties, im afraid i cant really give it much credit.