/ News: Finlay Wild Runs Sub 3hr Cuillin Ridge Traverse
Ed - Quick summary and a video here: http://www.ukclimbing.com/news/item.php?id=68413
I must have been amazing for anyone to see him moving at such a fantastic speed on any of the more difficult sections of the ridge.
Incredible. Well done doesn't seem to cut it, but... well done!
Thought it wasn't that long since he had already done this.
The boy clearly takes his porridge int morning.
These guys are unreal.and seriously committed
They make it look so effortless
One of the fastest guys I've seen so far ,at the top of a mountain is a guy called Tom Smith.
Arrived at the top of the hill ,not even out of breath.
Actually met his wife yesterday ,who is a hill runner herself
phenomenal ! ! !
> phenomenal ! ! !
Put it in whatever language you like, that is a jawdroppingly fast performance.
we went the other way, and were reasonably fit, pretty competent at the grade (all of us mid-e grade climbers) and I think we were just short of 12 hours end to end.
Jings that's impressive!
Skye is like the Alps. There's nothing in Britain to compare to it.
Anyone know what shoes he was wearing?
Sadly, this is all too typical of our young people today. Go out for 3 hours and think they have done a good day's walk! Where is their stamina?
Walsh PB Racers
At least he stuck at it for longer than Steck did on the Eiger.
...that's the smiley for jaw on floor by the way!
I believe it, but I find it scarcely believable. And what was it off his previous record - ca. 15 minutes: the total time reduction over the last 20+ years in one attempt! Astonishing and awe-inspiring.
Incredible how many times he's done it. Looked cracking conditions. Wonder if he'll look at the greater traverse because he would smash that now.
We knew this was coming after his last go, of course, but still an awesome effort.
Gobsmacking; a huge improvement. A very different arena, but comparable in terms of redefining the possible to Bob Beamon's long jump or Michael Johnson's 200m.
That is astounding! Absolutely fantastic, Finlay!
It maybe says something that three of those four records were eventually broken, and the other is under threat. When somebody raises the bar others respond...
Certainly the pool of talent who could get this must be much lower now. The obvious one is KJ, but is he quick enough on this terrain. Its worth noting that FW is a top runner, so aerobically they'd have to be in a very good shape and climb well. Not many will combine that. Plenty of runners climb but most have stepped away from the riskier stuff, which is why they ended up in fell running..
Did Fawcett ever have a go? I'd have thought when he first took up running he'd have stood a chance, not sure how well he was climbing and how soon he started running.
Seeing that kind of pace in the mountains is just staggering, the endurance, agility and confidence required are quite something. In the clip at the end he doesn't seem particulalry cream crackered, in fact I look more stressed driving to work.....
I hope, as the supreme athlete he is, that he's reaping the rewards of his endeavours, y'know the free cars, sponsorship deals, etc....
But then probably not. This is Britain after all!
It would be interesting to know what ripples this makes beyond the UK, is the ridge a well know 'target' internationally? Or is it some hard core esoteric British thing?
Staggered of Newcastle
Ian, You might be able to give this some international perspective? who'se KJ? As a pondering observer I wonder how Steck would perform on something like this, technically way below his limit....
>It would be interesting to know what ripples this makes beyond the UK
Those of a midge drowning in the Atlantic on a particularly stormy day, I would imagine. Delighted to be proved wrong, of course.
She won X Factor a couple of years back, I think?
When you look at those times.. the first time I went up there it was 3:32 and that seemed impossible. its now almost 35 minutes quicker. Thats a big change.
Rightly though, solo records shouldn't be too well rewarded. There's something British about doing it on your own and saying you did it, have a hand shake and get on with life.
Running is fairly free of unsubstantiated or doubted claims. I know of a few in the states and Australia I think.. so you don't want to encourage that.
I expect you're right John, it's the 'Cuillins' to us, but would probably be a series of low lying spot hieghts in the Alps.
[wince]. It's the Cuillin man FFS.
Even Killian Jornet would have known that. What *did* she sing on X Factor again?
KJ - Kilian Jornet
Another of these uber fit types http://www.climbing.com/news/kilian-jornet-shatters-matterhorn-speed-record/
Indeed. Suggests either a non-mature record or a Beamon moment. Or a bit of both.
I don't think Fawcett was in the required league as a runner, was he? Being over-qualified on the climbing doesn't help all that much; the climbing side's not about spotting technical moves but picking holds that aren't loose.
FO - take KJ and shove her where the sun don't shine.
I'm not sure re Steck...
Steck isn't 'that' running fit is he? which sounds stupid to say but in terms of pure running he doesn't trouble the front of the field. Not to the same level as Wild who is one of the best in Britain. My best time at Jungfrau is a good chunk quicker than Stecks, and Finlay beats me by a good 10 minutes? over a 1:15 race say on Snowdon and 15 at the Ben? Jungfrau is just a very hilly road/trail race to the base of the Eiger North Face, but a good measure of pure fitness.
I'm not sure, but depends if the Cuillin is untechnical enough in places for fitness to matter. This is 30-35 mins quicker than previous good climbers/fit guys have done which suggests being a good runner is a significant advantage. I don't know though. However, as said FW hardly looked shattered after the end so maybe its technical enough that they always comfortable.
The other thing is its so complex that time to recce must be pretty crucial and FW has that advantage. Not sure how much Es reccied it back when he did it, but thought he was Edinburgh based then.
> KJ - Kilian Jornet
> Another of these uber fit types http://www.climbing.com/news/kilian-jornet-shatters-matterhorn-speed-record/
Thanks, I recall seeing her sing now. Her elimination was premature and messy.
>The other thing is its so complex that time to recce must be pretty crucial
Yes, that must be true. I'm sure I could have cut down my 16 hours or so considerably if only I'd had more practice....
Vaguely interesting to compare the difference between unfit marathon punters and unfit Cuillin punters , actually.
I’d say my 16.5 hours ground to ground was probably the equivalent of about 12 hours top-to-top, perhaps. So FW’s time is 25% of UCP’s.
Whereas an equivalent UMP time would be what – six hours? So real runners can do it in 33% of the time.
I wonder what that tells us. Probably not much.
Dunno, but his dad's a BMG and his mum's got a rare sub-1:50 Ben Nevis Race to her name...
So do you reckon Finlay can beat the Ben record then Pete? I remember you telling me that changes in the terrain make that a tough ask.
Dunno (again, sorry!). Still a lot to take off when he's running c.1:30, but overheard someone at this year's race suggesting he needs someone to push him for it, and have to agree that might help when he won by seven minutes!
> Dunno, but his dad's a BMG and his mum's got a rare sub-1:50 Ben Nevis Race to her name...
I thought it was Roger Wild.. I did a Conville winter skills course with him many years ago..
So what are the terrain changes that have made it harder?
> So do you reckon Finlay can beat the Ben record then Pete? I remember you telling me that changes in the terrain make that a tough ask.
I doubt it.. he's pushed in the Snowdon race and is still someway off.. isn't the Ben a Stuart record too? kenny was a step better as a pure runner I'd say.
But again, as Pete says at the time Kenny was pushed, when he set the Snowdon record which has stood for almost 30 years he wasn't even first to the summit.
Ron took up serious running quite late in life, well after he was a superb climber.
Technical ground makes any comparison meaningless. You don't have to be very fit to run a marathon at half the speed of the best in the world, you don't have to be very fit to cover the less technical sections of the ridge at half Finlay Wild's speed, but it is how you handle the technical sections that take the time.
Think the consensus might be increasingly loose, blocky ground on the descent line high up and more awkward pitched path building lower down.
I've heard a whisper that the lower section of the path will get properly worked on in the latter half of 2015, so that may improve times.
However, in balance I know there to be ongoing discussion between the race organisers and the Nevis partnership with regards to increasingly eroded runner's short-cuts, so it may balance out...
The problem is improved paths often go to these slabby, pitched paths, which aren't quick for running.. there's also a fair few short cuts between the zig zags lower down the path.
I can understand them all being taken out. Its happened in the Snowdon race, but does affect times.
A year or two back we got a questionnaire asking how we'd feel about all kinds of things from following the official path the whole way to finishing in the town (!), and this year's request not to train on the Grassy Bank (aka Green Wall) is still up on the race site.
But, back to Fin's Cuillin traverse, in the proper old sense of an overused word...
Thanks Iain for your corrections. 35 minutes in 20 years = ca. 15%! Truly amazing.
>"some guides have compared its physical challenge—3000 meters of elevation gain and another 3000 in descent—to solos of Mont Blanc and the Matterhorn, back-to-back."
Have they now? In that case I would suggest that said guides have little idea what they're talking about, but what do I know?
It is a route of alpine proportion after all.
"Ascending and descending 4000m from sea level is no mean feat..."
That *sounds* like it includes the initial ascent of Garsbheinn and the descent down to Sligachan.
Yes it's down as 10,000ft in Classic Rock.
I seem to remember when I did it (and had my altimeter logging the total ascent) that it was about 2000m once one the ridge. Maybe just over, but not much from memory. So about 3000m (perhaps just under?) climbing from sea level. 4000m is overestimating it by a long way.
> That *sounds* like it includes the initial ascent of Garsbheinn and the descent down to Sligachan.
I agree, my initial ascent of Garsbheinn with a hangover was the hardest part of the ridge.
Well, I've done the CR. It's a hard day's hillwalking, no question, but not much different from the Welsh 3s, say, maybe easier. Whereas I imagine climbing the Matterhorn and MB back to back would be rather more of an effort than that.
After all FW has done this in three hours. KJ did the Matterhorn in eight minutes quicker (admittedly from the town). I'm guessing that throwing in MB would make it substantially more than three hours for the two, wherever you count the start as being.
Though mind you FW's time is top to top, you need to throw in the walk up and down. So maybe it's not as wildly out as I think.
Massive hats off to Fin; Gill told me he virtually jumped into An Dorus over them!
Did anyone tell Finlay that Dubh Mor isn't actually part of the ridge?????
He'll need to go back and re-run it as he touched too many tops.
And bypassed Da Bheinn initially .... I never thought of that.
> Did anyone tell Finlay that Dubh Mor isn't actually part of the ridge?????
> He'll need to go back and re-run it as he touched too many tops.
Its part of the formal record route isnt it? I thought Hyslop formalised the record route?
Finlay's own analysis: http://gomountaingoats.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/new-cuillin-ridge-traverse-record_15.html
Killian would have no problem on this terrain I'm sure! Would be interesting to see his time.
just means he is the new standard and we are all sub-human!
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