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I'm beginning to teach a new topic to my Y1 class tomorrow morning, "FAMOUS PEOPLE". Through this topic, children will cover objectives from art, music, geography and history.

They will be making a title page to begin their topic. I plan to give them images of 100 famous people, from which they will choose ten to cut out and make a collage title page.

People of UKC, who do you think I should include in the list?

Suggested by the school: Vincent Van Gogh, John Lennon, Monet, Henry Moore, Nelson Mandella.

Can YOU think of any famous people to begin to teach five year olds about? Who would be your top three?
 Jon Stewart 06 Jan 2014
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Dorothy Parker
Einstein
Tim Minchin

I guess only one of those is a serious suggestion.
 Yanis Nayu 06 Jan 2014
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Rich Simpson
Muhammad Ali
 Alyson 06 Jan 2014
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Christopher Columbus, Mozart, Marie Curie. That would give you plenty to talk about.
In reply to all:

Am Google-imaging as you type, keep 'em coming.

 Tony the Blade 06 Jan 2014
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Leonardo Da Vinci
Christopher Columbus
Marie Curie
johnj 06 Jan 2014
In reply to just wanna climb:

Jesus Christ
Martin Luther King
Katy Perry
In reply to johnj:

Ha. I've never Googled 'Jesus Christ' before.

Might not include Katy Perry!

Good call on MLK
 FactorXXX 06 Jan 2014
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Jimmy Savile.
 Cobbler 06 Jan 2014
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Neil Armstrong
Edmund Hillary
Jacques Cousteau

Beatrix Potter
Jane Goodall
Florence Nightingale
In reply to Cobbler:

Some bloody good ones there. Really helpful. Keep going
 coinneach 06 Jan 2014
In reply to Cobbler:

The Dalai Lama
Keir Hardie
Homer Simpson
 FactorXXX 06 Jan 2014
In reply to just wanna climb:

Isambard Kingdom Brunel.
In reply to just wanna climb:

Mary Seacole
Einstein
Nelson Mandela
In reply to FactorXXX:

Dig that pic of Brunel in front of the massive chain.

Keep going all, got eighteen (that I'm going to use) so far.
 MG 06 Jan 2014
In reply to just wanna climb:

> Suggested by the school: Vincent Van Gogh, John Lennon, Monet, Henry Moore, Nelson Mandella.


Bit odd. Two artists and sculpture? How about a range of time, field and place, e.g.

Da Vinci, Mao, Columbus, Bach, Jame Clerk-Maxwell
 The Norris 06 Jan 2014
In reply to just wanna climb:

Gregor Mendel
Winston Churchill
Vitaly Abalakov :-D
In reply to MG:

Bit odd. Two artists and sculpture? > Yeah, I agree.

It is to cover learning objectives within art, music, geography and history though, I can see why the school want to cover these. They did also want to cover JKRowling but I thought I could do better
 Alyson 06 Jan 2014
In reply to just wanna climb:

I think if it were me I'd include some figures from more ancient history too, maybe Julius Caesar, Archimedes, Cleopatra and Socrates
In reply to The Norris:

Gregor Mendel & Churchill going in
In reply to Alyson:

On it
In reply to just wanna climb:

christopher columbus
thomas edison
charles darwin
ernest shackleton
pablo picasso
michelangelo
antoni gaudi
 Alyson 06 Jan 2014
In reply to just wanna climb:

> They did also want to cover JKRowling but I thought I could do better

I'd go for Mary Shelley instead
In reply to fibonacci moose:

Just added David Attenborough. Worthy of any list.

Am looking through your list, fib, some great suggestions there
 EarlyBird 06 Jan 2014
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Emmeline Pankhurst
Oliver Cromwell
William Blake
William Tyndale
Aphra Behn
 Puppythedog 06 Jan 2014
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Geoff Hurst,
George Mallory
Edmund Hillary,
Joe Brown,
Tony Blair,
David Cameron,
JFK,
Stephen Fry,
Steve Backsil (I'm sure that's spelt wrong but the guy that does 100 deadliest)
Hockney,
Damien hurst,
Dame Judy Dench,
William Shakespeare,
The Queen,
That BaumGartner bloke that fell a long way
Thomas Paine
Thomas a becket
Andy Warhol
Winston Churchill
Alfred Hitchcock
George Lucas/Hans Solo (if you're allowed not real people)
Malcom X
Jesse Owens
Peter Tatchil
Emeline Pankhurst
Jack Nicholson
JK Rowling
David Bowie

 Yanis Nayu 06 Jan 2014
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William Wilberforce
 coinneach 06 Jan 2014
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William Wallace
Robert Bruce
Robert Burns
 Yanis Nayu 06 Jan 2014
In reply to just wanna climb:

Yuri Gagarin
 hokkyokusei 06 Jan 2014
In reply to just wanna climb:

Yuri Gagarin
In reply to puppythedog:

Han Solo! I might just through Yodo in
 hokkyokusei 06 Jan 2014
In reply to Submit to Gravity:

Bah - I don't believe that!
 MG 06 Jan 2014
In reply to just wanna climb:

Also, how about a bias to "not quite famous" people so the children will learn about knew people. I assume Churchill, Einstein Columbus etc. they will already know.
In reply to ALL:

I've got about thirty on my list so far, my desktop is filling up with thumbnails of worthy famous people.

It is looking a little light on the female side.

More please.

In reply to MG:

They are only five years old, almost everything is brand new to them unless it's Spongebob Squarepants
In reply to just wanna climb:

mahatma gandhi
geronimo
aesop
banksy
aretha franklin
 coinneach 06 Jan 2014
In reply to just wanna climb:

Marie Curie
Joan Of Arc
Boadicea
 coinneach 06 Jan 2014
In reply to just wanna climb:

Cleopatra
Greta Garbo
Diana Spencer
 Alyson 06 Jan 2014
In reply to MG:

> Also, how about a bias to "not quite famous" people so the children will learn about knew people. I assume Churchill, Einstein Columbus etc. they will already know.

At 5 years old? I don't recall learning about Einstein in nursery, I think we did finger painting and playing in the sandpit.
In reply to myself:

I just typed in 'Jessica Ennis' and when the images come up, Google gives alternate option 'Jessica Ennis bum'. was worth a look. The bum is going in, but a portrait shot of her will.



 MG 06 Jan 2014
In reply to Alyson:

Ah. Missed that. Although they *will* learn about famous, famous people, so I think some odder ones would still be good.
 EarlyBird 06 Jan 2014
In reply to just wanna climb:

Helen of Troy
Catherine the Great
Amy Johnson
Jane Austen
Elizabeth Siddall
Barbara Hepworth
Rosa Luxembourg
Freya Stark
In reply to myself:

Of course I meant ISN'T
 coinneach 06 Jan 2014
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Ellen McArthur
 jonnie3430 06 Jan 2014
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Churchill
Stalin
Hitler

Explain about them, then ask them, if they were british, russian or german, who would they support?
In reply to coinneach:

Bingo. That's what I'm talking about.
 EarlyBird 06 Jan 2014
In reply to MG:

Christina Rossetti
Lucrezia Borgia
Lynn Hill
Frida Kahlo
Lily Langtry
Marie Lloyd
Marie Stopes
In reply to ALL:

I've got about fifty now. It's going to take me bloody ages cutting and pasting these into a word doc ready to print tomorrow morning, so I'm going to bugger off and get on with it.

Thanks for the help all, far faster with your help, and a better range I'll warrant. I'll check back in the morning. Cheers

x jwc

 Alyson 06 Jan 2014
In reply to just wanna climb:

> Of course I meant ISN'T

Sigmund Freud
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emily pankhurst
boudicca
joan of arc
elizabeth 1
jane austen
helen keller
katharine hepburn
rosa parks
eva peron
marilyn monroe
malala Yousafzai
hilary clinton
billie-jean king
 Puppythedog 06 Jan 2014
In reply to just wanna climb:

Serena Williams
England Women's football team players
Catherine granger
Vicky Pendelton
Princess Lea
 IainSunderland 06 Jan 2014
In reply to just wanna climb:

For famous, historic and noteworthy women, you could do worse than checking out the list of women named as guests at "The Dinner Party" (1970's installation art piece by Judy Chicago, currently on display at the Brooklyn Museum)

You can find it on wiki - I can't post the URL here.

Make sure you check out the link to the "heritage floor" for a longer list.



 Gazlynn 06 Jan 2014
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Dalai Lama

Beethoven

Aneurin Bevan

cheers

Gaz

 aln 06 Jan 2014
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Super Mario, Jack Sparrow and Bilbo Baggins
 balmybaldwin 06 Jan 2014
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Some lesser known women for you, but to be honest should be better known

Amelia Earhart - http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amelia_Earhart
Diana Barnato Walker - http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diana_Barnato_Walker
Hedy Lamarr - http://www.women-inventors.com/Hedy-Lammar.asp

And some higher profile women

Martina Navratilova
Laura Davies
 balmybaldwin 06 Jan 2014
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Judi Dench
 The New NickB 06 Jan 2014
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Rosa Parks.
Rosalind Franklin (although I notice science isn't on your list of objectives).
Jane Austin or a Bronte.
Queen Elizabeth.
Malala Yousafzai.
Aung San Suu Kyi.
Post edited at 22:57
 The New NickB 06 Jan 2014
In reply to balmybaldwin:

I hope we don't genuinely live in a world where Amelia Earhart is less famous than Laura Davies.
 balmybaldwin 06 Jan 2014
In reply to The New NickB:

Ok, so maybe just less recent
 ripper 06 Jan 2014
In reply to just wanna climb:
a few more:

Elvis Presley
Napoleon
Karl Marx
Che Guevara
Margaret Thatcher
Mohammed
Genghis Khan
Alexander the Great
James Watt
Gottlieb Daimler & Karl Benz
Henry Ford
Marie Curie
Tim Berners-Lee
 ripper 06 Jan 2014
In reply to just wanna climb:

and have we had Neil Armstrong yet?
In reply to just wanna climb:

Considering how we are all contributing

Tim Berner-Lee
Bill Gates
Steve Jobs
 The Ivanator 07 Jan 2014
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JK Rowling
Tracey Emin
Dame Kelly Holmes
Madonna
 butteredfrog 07 Jan 2014
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Stephen Hawking
Alan Turing
Robert Oppenheimer
Earnest Shackleton

 jonnie3430 07 Jan 2014
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John Monash? The General who won the first world war?
 FreshSlate 07 Jan 2014
In reply to jonnie3430:

John Locke
Plato
Descartes
Kant
Beethoven
Mozart
Picasso
Steven Spielberg
George Best/David Beckham
Henry VIII
JFK/Barack Obama?
JRR Tolkien
George Orwell
Oliver Cromwell
Richard Brandson
Alexandra Fleming


Jessica Ennis
Marilyn Monroe
Margaret Thatcher
Coco Chanel
Simone de Beauvoir
Oprah
Angela Merkel
Joan of arc
Elizabeth 1st
Queen Victoria
Jane Austen
Mother Teresa
Benazir Bhutto
Anne Frank
Sappho
 jonnie3430 07 Jan 2014
In reply to FreshSlate:

> John Locke

> Plato

> Descartes

> Kant

> Beethoven

> Mozart

> Picasso

> Steven Spielberg

> George Best/David Beckham

> Henry VIII

> JFK/Barack Obama?

> JRR Tolkien

> George Orwell

> Oliver Cromwell

> Richard Brandson

> Alexandra Fleming

> Jessica Ennis

> Marilyn Monroe

> Margaret Thatcher

> Coco Chanel

> Simone de Beauvoir

> Oprah

> Angela Merkel

> Joan of arc

> Elizabeth 1st

> Queen Victoria

> Jane Austen

> Mother Teresa

> Benazir Bhutto

> Anne Frank

> Sappho

Good top 3! Just the standard we are aiming for as well!
 andrew ogilvie 07 Jan 2014
In reply to just wanna climb: I've not read through the suggestions but mine would be that a better title would be "significant" rather than "famous" people. I think significance is more worthy of the aspiration of our young people than fame. (To this end perhaps the "unknown soldier" is a good choice.)

On a related note it strikes me as odd that the topics addressed should not include maths and science as if these are somehow not "human" or social activities at all.

If it were me I'd be going out of my way to look for significant contributors from a variety of disciplines and across the broader sweep of history and also making a self conscious effort to present balanced group in terms of race and gender.

 jonnie3430 07 Jan 2014
In reply to andrew ogilvie:

> On a related note it strikes me as odd that the topics addressed should not include maths and science as if these are somehow not "human" or social activities at all.

Maths would suggest an avoidance of banking errors. Science would provide protection against flooding. Teachers these days have to be "on the message," don'cha know...
 Tom Valentine 07 Jan 2014
In reply to just wanna climb:

Joseph Bramah.
George Orwell.
James Cook
 DerwentDiluted 07 Jan 2014
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For 2014-1914

Edith Cavell
Vera Brittain
Emmaline Pankhurst

Lloyd George
Lord Kitchener
The Unknown warrior
 Al Evans 07 Jan 2014
In reply to DerwentDiluted:

While I respect Jess Ennis to bits she is only 'of the moment' and more famous in sheffield. I would suggest Scott, Hillary and Armstrong will be famous for all time, of the politicians I suggest only Napoleon, Churchill and Hitler will be.
 The Pylon King 07 Jan 2014
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George Martin
Phil Spector
Brian Eno
Martin Hannett
Joe Meek
Trevor Horn
Tony Visconti
 FinrodFelagund 07 Jan 2014
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Frank Whittle
 Choss 07 Jan 2014
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Emily Pankhurst.
Tove Jansson.
Trugannini.
 ripper 07 Jan 2014
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the Wright brothers
 ripper 07 Jan 2014
In reply to just wanna climb:

PS stop with the Emily Pankhursts!

It's Emmeline Pankhurst
 Choss 07 Jan 2014
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Edward teach.
Ned Kelly.
Sitting bull.
 ripper 07 Jan 2014
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Galileo

and we've had Isaac Newton already, right?
 neilh 07 Jan 2014
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The greatest statesmen of the last century( as per the economist);

Winston Churchill
Franklin Roosevelt
Nelson Mandela
Ghandi
Charles De Gaulle
 cfer 07 Jan 2014
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Alan Turing
James Watson
Caroline Herschel
Lise Meitner
Rosalind Franklin
Dorothy Hodgkin
Jane Goodall
Niels Bohr
Max Planck
Nikola Tesla

All scientists but an equal gender split
 Blue Straggler 07 Jan 2014
In reply to cfer:

You'd teach 5-year-olds about Lise Meitner would you? I'll confess some ignorance here...I've not heard about her. And I am a scientist (of sorts)
 Dave Garnett 07 Jan 2014
In reply to Blue Straggler:

A good choice in the sense that it made me look her up too, and clearly she was a remarkable woman. Seems slightly odd to include her in preference to Marie Curie in a similar field though.
 Choss 07 Jan 2014
In reply to just wanna climb:

Chris Bonnington.
Mallory and Irvine.
Laurel and hardy.

Bear Grylls? <gets coat>
 crayefish 07 Jan 2014
In reply to just wanna climb:

Robert Hook!

One of the most influential and underestimated scientists ever. A pioneer of gravity along with Newton, huge developments in the natural sciences (including microscopes), astronomy, architecture and the inventor of many common objects such as the universal joint and camera iris diaphragm.

Unfortunately he was a difficult person and had a long running spat with Newton who almost wrote him out of history when he became president of the Royal society.
 Choss 07 Jan 2014
In reply to just wanna climb:

That famous Victorian Fossil Lady From Lyme Regis.

Tommy Cooper.

Audrey Hepburn.

Elisabeth Beresford.

 cfer 07 Jan 2014
In reply to Dave Garnett:

Marie Curie has already been mentioned and tbh I skipped over the 5 yr old bit.

I had never heard of her either till I came across her name recently and looked into it, and as you said a good choice, as she was remarkable although maybe a bit much for 5 yr olds
 Bulls Crack 07 Jan 2014
In reply to just wanna climb:

Will you be examining the concept of fame ie why are people famous? (in a year 1 context of course!) - hopefully providing them the tools to distinguish between significant people and their contributions and the ghastly miasma of 'celebrity'?
 kipper12 07 Jan 2014
In reply to just wanna climb:

Im not sure if Bobby moore got on the list
Fangio
Mike (the bike) Hailwood
Sir Francis Chichester
Duke WIlliam of Normandy
Henry Ford
Genghis Khan
Dwight D Eisenhower
Tycho Brahe
Sir Don Bradman
David Livingstone
Alexander Flemming and Howard Florey (penicillin)

An ecletic list
Vivvi 07 Jan 2014
In reply to The Pylon King:
> (In reply to just wanna climb)
>
> George Martin
> Phil Spector
> Brian Eno
> Martin Hannett - who??
> Joe Meek - who??
> Trevor Horn - who??
> Tony Visconti - who??

 kipper12 07 Jan 2014
In reply to just wanna climb:

PS Valentina Teraskhova, excuse spelling was the first woman in space
 Blue Straggler 07 Jan 2014
In reply to kipper12:

> PS Valentina Teraskhova, excuse spelling was the first woman in space

The first woman to RETURN from space alive
<Soviet "cannon fodder" conspiracy theory alert>
 ripper 07 Jan 2014
In reply to just wanna climb:

Osama bin Laden?
Removed User 07 Jan 2014
In reply to just wanna climb:

Jocelyn Bell Burnell
Charles Ives
John Harrison
 RockAngel 07 Jan 2014
In reply to just wanna climb:

Boudicca
Cartimandua

Picasso
Salvador Dali

Iron bridge designer
Lovell (of the Lovell telescope)
Stephen hawking

Bruce Dickonson (iron maiden. Also a pilot & train nerd)

Poet laureate
Alan garner

 RockAngel 07 Jan 2014
In reply to Removed Userena sharples:

Charles Darwin

I recall listening to a radio play about Florence nightingale when I was in primary school. That was a long time ago now though.

 Choss 07 Jan 2014
In reply to just wanna climb:

That Scottish dog that stayed on his humans Grave grieving. Wee Bobby or something.
 RockAngel 07 Jan 2014
In reply to Removed Userena sharples:

Was there a local gold Olympian from London 2012?

Any other local famous folk?
 Babika 07 Jan 2014
In reply to just wanna climb:

Malala Yousafazi

Young, brilliant, courageous.

Oh, and female.
 Blue Straggler 07 Jan 2014
In reply to Babika:


> Oh, and female.

Does that make her "better" than if she'd been a boy?

 ripper 07 Jan 2014
In reply to Choss:

> That Scottish dog that stayed on his humans Grave grieving. Wee Bobby or something.

Greyfriars Bobby?
 Choss 07 Jan 2014
In reply to ripper:

> Greyfriars Bobby?

Thats the one, bless him.

Animals can be heroes too
 cfer 07 Jan 2014
In reply to just wanna climb:

Louis Braille??
 Babika 07 Jan 2014
In reply to Blue Straggler:

> Does that make her "better" than if she'd been a boy?

No, why would you think that?

The OP said halfway down this thread that they were a bit short on females so I though that was a helpful suggestion. Its not obvious from the name to anyone who doesn't watch news etc
 Blue Straggler 07 Jan 2014
In reply to Babika:

> No, why would you think that?

> The OP said halfway down this thread that they were a bit short on females so I though that was a helpful suggestion.

Sorry, I missed that.
Nothing personal, just that this whole thread seems to have turned into a "righteousness" competition, with people dredging up lesser-known "famous people" to show how worldly they are, or deliberately making a point about undersung women.

I think Malala is in fact a great example, more useful than (say) Rosalind Franklin, for 5-year-olds.
 cfer 07 Jan 2014
In reply to Blue Straggler:


more useful than (say) Rosalind Franklin, for 5-year-olds.

Alright alright I missed the age bit....

I was just trying to highlight some people that maybe weren't as obvious as some of the more popular ones but in my opinion deserve more recognition than they get...Jeez
 cfer 07 Jan 2014
In reply to just wanna climb:

I also don't see why as in the OP, Rosalind shouldn't be taught to 5 yr olds, anymore than Malala should be.
cb294 07 Jan 2014
In reply to cfer:

Another vote for Rosalind Franklin and Charles Darwin.

Alternatively, Alistair Crowley and Robert E. Peary
 RockAngel 07 Jan 2014
In reply to just wanna climb:

Children's tv presenters. Someone or people the kids can directly relate to and put it into some context
 John Ww 07 Jan 2014
In reply to Choss:

Greyfriars Bobby? Made up story, apparently.
 John Ww 07 Jan 2014
In reply to just wanna climb:

Helen Keller

Helen of Troy

Pocahontas

Queen Elizabeth 1
 Blue Straggler 07 Jan 2014
In reply to RockAngel:

You and your sensible suggestions! I think Euripedes is far more relevant
 RockAngel 07 Jan 2014
In reply to Blue Straggler:

Well, so far it's been people us adults would consider to be on the list, while completely missing the fact it's for 5 year olds. Yes, some of them were incredibly important but will not get the 'fame' part across to the kids. So many of the names from history didn't seek fame, they got it after their scientific discoveries or even their deaths, they just got on with their jobs/lives.

Children's tv presenters and even characters on the other hand, the kids can relate to and put into the 'fame' context
 Postmanpat 07 Jan 2014
In reply to just wanna climb:

Linda Lovelace?
 Al Evans 08 Jan 2014
In reply to John Ww:

> Greyfriars Bobby? Made up story, apparently.

I don't think it was

"The best known version of the story is that Bobby belonged to John Gray, who worked for the Edinburgh City Police as a night watchman. When John Gray died he was buried in Greyfriars Kirkyard, the graveyard surrounding Greyfriars Kirk in the Old Town of Edinburgh. Bobby then became known locally, spending the rest of his life sitting on his master's grave.[1][2]
In 1867 Lord Provost of Edinburgh, Sir William Chambers—who was also a director of the Scottish Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals—paid for Bobby's licence, and gave the dog a collar now in the Museum of Edinburgh.[2][3]
Bobby is said to have sat by the grave for 14 years.[1][2][3][4] He died in 1872[3][4] and was buried just inside the gate of Greyfriars Kirkyard, not far from John Gray's grave.[2]


Greyfriars Kirkyard
A year later, Lady Burdett-Coutts had a statue and fountain erected at the southern end of the George IV Bridge to commemorate him.[4]
Several books and films have since been based on Bobby's life, including the novel Greyfriars Bobby (1912) by Eleanor Atkinson and the films Greyfriars Bobby (1961) and The Adventures of Greyfriars Bobby (2006).
 Choss 08 Jan 2014
In reply to Al Evans:

I hope just wanna Climb used him in his 100 heroes? The Kids would Love that.

In my Experience Kids Love dogs Dinosaurs and Pirates. Throw any of them in the mix and youve got excited happy 5 year olds :-D
 John Ww 08 Jan 2014
In reply to Al Evans:

From The Telegraph, August 2011

The loyalty of Greyfriars Bobby inspired two films and numerous books, and is commemorated with a bronze statue.

A statue of Greyfirars Bobby in Edinburgh. But the story of the Victorian dog that held a 14-year vigil at the grave of his master is actually a myth, claims new research.

An historian now believes the 140-year-old story was a publicity stunt drummed up by local businessmen in order to attract custom to their corner of Edinburgh.

Dr Jan Bondeson has studied the evidence and claims that Bobby was actually two dogs with locals cynically recruiting a new one when the original died.

He also believes there was never even an owner.

The original Bobby was a stray kept at the cemetery by the groundsmen with bribes of food, he believes.

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Dr Bondeson, a historian and senior lecturer at Cardiff University, came to the conclusion after spending five years reviewing contemporary archives and eyewitness accounts.

The story of Greyfriars Bobby tells of a small Skye terrier who could not bear to leave his master's body and remained by his grave in Edinburgh from 1858 to 1872.

His master was said to be John Gray, a local policeman.

Numerous films, books and articles have been inspired by the story and in 1873 a statue was erected.

But Dr Bondeson reckons the story was fabricated by James Brown, the curator of the cemetery, and John Traill who owned a nearby restaurant.

Word soon spread and visitors to the churchyard increased 100-fold, with animal lovers from across the country flocking to see the faithful celebrity dog.

Many donated money to the kind-hearted Mr Brown for taking care of him and almost all dined in the next door restaurant owned by a John Traill.

Dr Bondeson insists pictures and portraits of the dog, as well as contemporary accounts of his nature, show that the original Bobby died in May or June 1867.

He believes it is likely that Brown and Traill then substituted the original terrier mongrel with a similar dog, a Skye terrier, to keep exploiting Bobby's fame.

Dr Bondeson, who has published his findings in a new book, said: "I knew the famous story of Greyfriars Bobby but the more I researched it the more I smelt a rat.

"In my opinion, all the theories about the dog's life are about as full of holes as a piece of swiss cheese.

"After five years of research, I believe he was an unwitting impostor who made use of the sentimental notions of how a dog should behave to get a good life for himself.

"In fact, he was one of around 60 Victorian cemetery dogs who waited around for food in graveyards and were so well treated they that stayed there to lead an independent and comfortable life."

 Dom Whillans 08 Jan 2014
In reply to The Pylon King:

> George Martin

> Phil Spector

> Brian Eno

> Martin Hannett

> Joe Meek

> Trevor Horn

> Tony Visconti

*applauds*

I'm going to throw Delia Derbyshire into that mix (if you'll excuse the pun)

 Offwidth 09 Jan 2014
In reply to Dom Whillans:

Didnt see Charlemagne (most famous king ever) or Mohamed Ali/ Cassius Clay ( most famous sportsman ever).

Someone famous just for being on telly would be good in terms of an interesting trend inmodern history. Jade or similar.
In reply to just wanna climb:

Nelson Mandela
Che Ghevava
Gandhi
Valentino Rossi
Marc Marquez
Thomas Magnum
Lesley Church
Caroline Munroe

 Blue Straggler 14 Jan 2014
In reply to beththeclimber:


> Caroline Munroe

Caroline Munro the voluptuous 70s actress?
In reply to Blue Straggler: yh !

 Blue Straggler 15 Jan 2014
In reply to beththeclimber:

Hurrah!
 Darron 15 Jan 2014
In reply to just wanna climb:

In my quick scan down I don't think anyone has suggested Issac Newton.

Richard Feynman
Werner Von Braun
Thomas (?) Oppenheimer
john Flamsteed
 Blue Straggler 15 Jan 2014
In reply to Darron:



> Thomas (?) Oppenheimer

He's so famous that you don't know his name?
 Blue Straggler 15 Jan 2014
In reply to Darron:

> In my quick scan down I don't think anyone has suggested Issac Newton.

You can save scanning manually by using the "Find" facility on your web browser. It can save embarrassment Newton was suggested AGES ago by one person and then mentioned twice in a post about Hooke.
 joan cooper 15 Jan 2014
In reply to just wanna climb:


Edith Cavell
Sir Patrick Steptoe
Octavia Hill
John Muir
 Darron 15 Jan 2014
In reply to Blue Straggler:

I'm not embarrassed ...but thank you for that.
 Choss 15 Jan 2014
In reply to joan cooper:

> Sir Patrick Steptoe

And Harold

 jopy 15 Jan 2014
In reply to just wanna climb:

Buzz Aldrin
Guy Fawkes
J K Rowling

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