In reply to Bruce Hooker:
> There have been no riots and barricades in London, no extreme right armed militias or deaths
Hopefully it will remain like that (in Scotland at least). But the "extreme right wing militias" seems to be at most wild exaggeration, at worst complete propaganda fantasy. The Crimea seems well supplied at the moment with what may be militias, or may just be Russian troops thinly disguised as local "activists".
Nazi rhetoric prior to the Anschluss, the occupation of very strategic parts of Czechoslovakia and the invasion of Poland very much centred on supposed oppression of ethnic Germans by the national majorities in those countries, frequently following deliberate provocation by local Nazi movements encouraged or controlled by Berlin. These were largely or entirely manufactured or imaginary outrages organised for the purposes of ramping up tension.
As I say, analogies can be both misleading and facile, but the comparison on this point is striking - a resurgent military power that thinks it has been wronged in the past, lead by a fairly dictatorial strong man, facing weak opponents and uncertain foreign actors, taking ever greater risks on the confident assumption that no serious action will be taken against them, growing stronger and more confident with every incident that it gets away with.
It is also striking that there are Russian national minorities in most of the surrounding countries, often due to deliberate Soviet policy of population swamping, much like the Chinese policy toward Tibet. At any rate, these countries all have substantial intermingling of language and national groups. There is the potential for all or many of these minorities to be use for an excuse to re-establish Russian control, though, as some have pointed out, the cases may be different, not least because some of them are in NATO (though NATO association did not protect Georgia, nor was NATO able or willing to take any tangible action when it came to it).
> if self determination is good for Scotland why not for Crimea?
Though not particularly keen on the idea of Scottish separation, I, like most people in England, think they can only democratically be kept in the union of their own free will. So they have to have a vote to settle the matter. Other than being disingenuous, it is very hard to see how anyone could confuse the vote in Scotland - very long lead time, carefully neutrally worded question, passionately argued on both sides (as the many threads here show), with the vote just held in Crimea - after what is effectively an invasion, with a shockingly short time, no opportunity for public debate with each side being free and unmolested to put its view. We have seen here lengthy passionate discussions and disagreements about the future economic peril (or massive advantages according to the other side) of an independent Scotland, as has virtually every other possible ramification been argued out.
No such debate or discussion has taken place about the hugger mugger plebiscite in the Crimea, unless you think that advocates of Scottish independence think that England might invade the day after a Yes vote, or that they might be disappeared by the English equivalent of a KGB, to emerge as gaunt skeletons years later, if at all. So it is the ultimate in false equivalence to compare the Scottish referendum vote with what has just happened in the Crimea.
As someone said above, the history in this part of the world is thick, bloody and bitter, while due to the incessant surges of power, war and control this way and that in the Ukraine, there are no "right" or "natural" borders - there will always be national minorities, short of brutal expulsions and ethnic cleansing (which is far from unknown in these regions). But generally since WW II in Europe, we have agreed that international borders must remain settled purely for pragmatic reasons, it is so much more peaceful that way, unless they are changed by a proper legal (and ideally democratic) process.
What has just happened in the Crimea, and what may happen in other parts of Eastern Ukraine, is certainly not legal, voluntary or democratic.
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