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National Trust is going to install a small hydro scheme in Stickle Ghyll this year

more details at NT Langdale campsite facebook page

https://www.facebook.com/NTLakescampsites

cheers john

In reply to John Kelly:

80 houses? is that most of the valley?

In reply to Dr.S at work:

think it might do elterwater as well

In reply to Dr.S at work:

If it's the National Trust that's building it, you can be assured it won't benefit anyone in the local area. They will use the energy to power their properties.

In reply to higherclimbingwales:

which employ people in the local area?
anyhow - it does not seem to be a bad scheme, even if you dislike the NT.

In reply to higherclimbingwales:

I think the point with this one is we will reduce our carbon dioxide emissions helping to protect the global environment from climate change - locally, as the Doc says, big employer

In reply to John Kelly:


I needed a good laugh this morning. A rough calculation suggests that the use of fossil fuels in China is increasing at a rate that will counteract the effect of this dam in about. 25.9 seconds.

So in the time I've typed this message that's how much it's done for climate change. Most hydro schemes are really quite bad for the environment and climate (methane from rotting vegetation - much more potent than CO2, and a lot of CO2 from the concrete used.) On the other hand they are consistently profitable.

In reply to John Kelly:

Coupled with the absence of how the power is going to be used and the link alluding to the fact that the power could run 80+ houses you could be forgiven for thinking that it will DIRECTLY benefit the local community.

In reply to wintertree:

I share your cynicism. People are quick to assume that because it's a renewable source of energy that it must be a good thing but fail to recongnise the bigger picture.

In reply to wintertree:

My quick trawl of internet suggests to me
The production of 1 tonne cement generates about 1 tonne of CO2
Grid electric generated 1/2kg CO2 per KWH so 2000KWH (or 2MWH) = 1 tonne concrete
The scheme is flagged to produce 350MWH per year equivalent to 150 tonnes + of cement
My generous guestimate is that the scheme will require significantly less than 10 tonnes cement
My calculations suggest to me that the problems with CO2 and cement is not a significant issue here
Rotting vegetation – there is no dam just a weir, very little ponding for decay to occur (and scoured by mega tonnes of water)
China , grand spot but not in Langdale, i will leave their struggle with CO2 to others

In reply to higherclimbingwales:

I think in the first instance it will be fed to the grid, understand that there are discussions about a more local feed but that it is technically difficult.

my ignorance
i'm not clear why supplying the house next door is better than supplying the grid provided everyone is connected
(this is obviously different when communities are off grid)
anyone??

In reply to higherclimbingwales:


I applaud your cynicism - simply saying yes because its perceived to be a 'good thing' is a slippery slope

In reply to John Kelly:

The NT aren't bound by the same planning rules every other organisation or individual is. You are right of course, the NT doesn't have it's own grid to feed into so the energy is fed into the grid and the NT will use that money to pay for their bills.

In reply to higherclimbingwales:

I have just been through the planning process recently - I didn't find the NT fast track button unfortunately

NT will receive 'feed in tarrif' it's a goverment scheme to encourage renewable's applies to PV and Biomass open to all I think

john

In reply to higherclimbingwales:


Pure fiction.