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It may be off interest to some , it is appt that all of us remember something that was the Country code
http://www.oldham-chronicle.co.uk/news-features/8/news-headlines/85377/slau...
http://www.oldham-chronicle.co.uk/news-features/8/news-headlines/85377/slau...
In reply to google:
Farmers should not be allowed to shoot dogs as it is not their fault,
They should however be allowed to shoot the owners who fail to keep the dog under control..
Anyone who cannot train their dog to drop to command should not be allowed to have one.
Farmers should not be allowed to shoot dogs as it is not their fault,
They should however be allowed to shoot the owners who fail to keep the dog under control..
Anyone who cannot train their dog to drop to command should not be allowed to have one.
In reply to mgco3: i'm afraid our dog doesn't "drop to command" - we've tried all sorts, but if there's something to chase then we've not found anything that'll stop her when something runs/flies - so our solution is to keep her on a lead.
What would you suggest we do to get her to develop instant obediance?r is the only answer to have her put down?
What would you suggest we do to get her to develop instant obediance?r is the only answer to have her put down?
In reply to google:
slaughter of the innocents?
The Lambs had only been bred to face others much worse horrors in the slaughterhouse in a few short weeks after being ripped away From their mothers anyway, simply to Line the farmers pockets with silver.
slaughter of the innocents?
The Lambs had only been bred to face others much worse horrors in the slaughterhouse in a few short weeks after being ripped away From their mothers anyway, simply to Line the farmers pockets with silver.
In reply to google:
Training isnt difficult it just need patients and perseverence.
I always trained my dogs by play fighting with them and pinning them to to ground by the neck. That is the way they learn their position in the "pack".
Until they see you as higher in the pecking order than them then they will do as they please.
Training isnt difficult it just need patients and perseverence.
I always trained my dogs by play fighting with them and pinning them to to ground by the neck. That is the way they learn their position in the "pack".
Until they see you as higher in the pecking order than them then they will do as they please.
In reply to mgco3:
She knows exactly where she is in the pecking order - but once she's gone she's gone. If she's paying attention she does exactly what she's told - but if a pheasant flies out of the heather as we're running along then she doesn't seem able to hear anything.
It's not quite as simple as holding a dog down by its neck.
She knows exactly where she is in the pecking order - but once she's gone she's gone. If she's paying attention she does exactly what she's told - but if a pheasant flies out of the heather as we're running along then she doesn't seem able to hear anything.
It's not quite as simple as holding a dog down by its neck.
In reply to mgco3:
Yep, train the dog in the hospital, to ensure a good supply of patients.
> Training isnt difficult it just need patients and perseverence.
Yep, train the dog in the hospital, to ensure a good supply of patients.
In reply to andy:
Likewise with ours, so we put her on a lead round livestock, apart from the sheep in the field behind the house (the sheepman sublets the land from us). I found Lotta trying to outstare the sheep this afternoon. I could swear they looked up, shrugged, and carried on munching on the grass.
Likewise with ours, so we put her on a lead round livestock, apart from the sheep in the field behind the house (the sheepman sublets the land from us). I found Lotta trying to outstare the sheep this afternoon. I could swear they looked up, shrugged, and carried on munching on the grass.
In reply to google:
If I were a farmer I would most certainly shoot a dog doing that to my sheep.
By which I do not endorse shooting dogs under control but simply an uncontrolled animal in pursuant of protecting myself or my property
If I were a farmer I would most certainly shoot a dog doing that to my sheep.
By which I do not endorse shooting dogs under control but simply an uncontrolled animal in pursuant of protecting myself or my property
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In reply to Tall Clare:
My last dog used to go running with me on some common land where there were sheep that didn't run. After a while she just lost interest.
This one ended up running round a field near the reservoir with some scared looking sheep as I ran after her - the farmer, who watched the whole performance, when I asked what is the best way to train her sort of shrugged and said "she's a bit of collie in her, not much...".
> Likewise with ours, so we put her on a lead round livestock, apart from the sheep in the field behind the house (the sheepman sublets the land from us). I found Lotta trying to outstare the sheep this afternoon. I could swear they looked up, shrugged, and carried on munching on the grass.
My last dog used to go running with me on some common land where there were sheep that didn't run. After a while she just lost interest.
This one ended up running round a field near the reservoir with some scared looking sheep as I ran after her - the farmer, who watched the whole performance, when I asked what is the best way to train her sort of shrugged and said "she's a bit of collie in her, not much...".
In reply to mgco3:
Would that be cancer patients, psyche patients or out-patients?
> Training isnt difficult it just need patients and perseverence.
Would that be cancer patients, psyche patients or out-patients?
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In reply to andy:
It would seem your only recourse is to have the dog permanently leashed. I've trained our two JR's, from their first outings that it's ok chase rabbits, but not roos or sheep. A healthy booting for non compliance usually gets the message across.
> i'm afraid our dog doesn't "drop to command" - we've tried all sorts, but if there's something to chase then we've not found anything that'll stop her when something runs/flies - so our solution is to keep her on a lead.
> What would you suggest we do to get her to develop instant obediance?r is the only answer to have her put down?
It would seem your only recourse is to have the dog permanently leashed. I've trained our two JR's, from their first outings that it's ok chase rabbits, but not roos or sheep. A healthy booting for non compliance usually gets the message across.
In reply to stroppygob:
She is on a lead whenever there's livestock around - but beating her doesn't work either - partly because we don't give the opportunity to chase things because she's on a lead.
She is on a lead whenever there's livestock around - but beating her doesn't work either - partly because we don't give the opportunity to chase things because she's on a lead.
In reply to mgco3:
Had much experience with Norfolk terriers ?
Ours is never let off the lead around wildlife or farm animals. Or runners or cyclists. Or huskies
> Anyone who cannot train their dog to drop to command should not be allowed to have one.
Had much experience with Norfolk terriers ?
Ours is never let off the lead around wildlife or farm animals. Or runners or cyclists. Or huskies
In reply to stroppygob:
No, but as apparently it's such a piece of piss to get dogs to obey instantly and in all circumstances, I was hoping for a bit more input than "hold it by the neck on the ground"...
> Not a problem then
No, but as apparently it's such a piece of piss to get dogs to obey instantly and in all circumstances, I was hoping for a bit more input than "hold it by the neck on the ground"...
In reply to Bulls Crack:
Not a justification at all. A different view on the illusory Headline Which implies something it isnt.
> That's some sort of justification? Good grief
Not a justification at all. A different view on the illusory Headline Which implies something it isnt.
In reply to google:
Interesting that both the Crowthers and the Houghs were mentioned. In the old days they seemed to be in competition for who could shoot the most dogs. I hope it isn't starting up again.
Interesting that both the Crowthers and the Houghs were mentioned. In the old days they seemed to be in competition for who could shoot the most dogs. I hope it isn't starting up again.
The Scottish Outdoor Access Code advises keeping your dog "under control" which does not necessarily mean on a short lead. It's all about common sense and being respectful and farmers and crofters need to be respectful too. (As an aside, I would also think that if cattle start to chase a dog, it would be safer for everyone if the dog was let off the lead.)
In reply to andy:
Shock collars are pretty effective, and preferable to being on the wrong end of a 12 bore.
(Although after reading the "it's all the farmers fault for not having a 12 foot security fence round his field" comments under tbe original article a good cull of those dog owners would be in order)
> No, but as apparently it's such a piece of piss to get dogs to obey instantly and in all circumstances, I was hoping for a bit more input than "hold it by the neck on the ground"...
Shock collars are pretty effective, and preferable to being on the wrong end of a 12 bore.
(Although after reading the "it's all the farmers fault for not having a 12 foot security fence round his field" comments under tbe original article a good cull of those dog owners would be in order)
In reply to Ridge:
Shock collars are a disgrace, and im Pretty sure illegal, as are Prong collars thank god.
Shock collars are a disgrace, and im Pretty sure illegal, as are Prong collars thank god.
I've only ever had one dog so perhaps I've just been lucky but I've never felt the need to kick or shock my dog in order to keep her under control. The thought is abhorrent.
In reply to Sreapadair:
Youre Right. If cattle do charge your dog let it off the Lead. It can Take evasive action much Better running Free.
Youre Right. If cattle do charge your dog let it off the Lead. It can Take evasive action much Better running Free.
In reply to Choss:
The fact that they might be illegal doesn't mean that they are not sold and used in the uk.
http://www.finchleydogwalker.co.uk/pinch-prong-collars-the-truth-about-them...
The fact that they might be illegal doesn't mean that they are not sold and used in the uk.
http://www.finchleydogwalker.co.uk/pinch-prong-collars-the-truth-about-them...
In reply to gd303uk:
Erm that's a prong collar, which are indeed abhorrent and illegal. But that's not what I'm on about.
> The fact that they might be illegal doesn't mean that they are not sold and used in the uk.
Erm that's a prong collar, which are indeed abhorrent and illegal. But that's not what I'm on about.
In reply to Ridge:
shock collars are illegal in Wales only. There has been at least one successful prosecution.
There's been some odd stuff on this thread. Most peculiar.
shock collars are illegal in Wales only. There has been at least one successful prosecution.
There's been some odd stuff on this thread. Most peculiar.
In reply to Ridge:
Are you Seriously Suggesting that you think electric shock collars are an Appropriate method for Training dogs???
Im hoping you will BackTrack and say no.
Are you Seriously Suggesting that you think electric shock collars are an Appropriate method for Training dogs???
Im hoping you will BackTrack and say no.
Post edited at 16:05
In reply to Choss:
This from someone who thinks having sheep savaged by dogs is preferable to humane slaughter?
If all else has failed, and they're used appropriately, (which doesn't involve zapping the f*ck out of the dog, no matter what you might think), I have no issue with shock collars to discourage sheep worrying.
This from someone who thinks having sheep savaged by dogs is preferable to humane slaughter?
If all else has failed, and they're used appropriately, (which doesn't involve zapping the f*ck out of the dog, no matter what you might think), I have no issue with shock collars to discourage sheep worrying.
In reply to Ridge:
Wrong again. I dont think any animal should be bred for Slaughter at all. Its needless, cruel, and Environmentally destructive.
If you have to resort to pain and cruelty to make an Intelligent animal Bend to your will, like electric shocks, you have failed as a person.
> This from someone who thinks having sheep savaged by dogs is preferable to humane slaughter?
Wrong again. I dont think any animal should be bred for Slaughter at all. Its needless, cruel, and Environmentally destructive.
> If all else has failed, and they're used appropriately, (which doesn't involve zapping the f*ck out of the dog, no matter what you might think), I have no issue with shock collars to discourage sheep worrying.
If you have to resort to pain and cruelty to make an Intelligent animal Bend to your will, like electric shocks, you have failed as a person.
In reply to mgco3:
Thats a rather outdated oversimplified view of wolf Pack hierarchy. Usually used by macho GSD guard dog Trainers. Which is fine if you want an aggressive dog, not so good for an all Round well Socialised family dog Though.
> Training isnt difficult it just need patients and perseverence.
> I always trained my dogs by play fighting with them and pinning them to to ground by the neck. That is the way they learn their position in the "pack".
> Until they see you as higher in the pecking order than them then they will do as they please.
Thats a rather outdated oversimplified view of wolf Pack hierarchy. Usually used by macho GSD guard dog Trainers. Which is fine if you want an aggressive dog, not so good for an all Round well Socialised family dog Though.
In reply to Choss:
This. From talking to the animal behaviour lot at work (it's an agric college of sorts) I get the impression that cesar milan isn't that well thought of anymore. Not that my pup is a model of good behaviour. He's a typical wilful adolescent, but with luck and effort he'll grow out of it.
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> Thats a rather outdated oversimplified view of wolf Pack hierarchy. Usually used by macho GSD guard dog Trainers. Which is fine if you want an aggressive dog, not so good for an all Round well Socialised family dog Though.
This. From talking to the animal behaviour lot at work (it's an agric college of sorts) I get the impression that cesar milan isn't that well thought of anymore. Not that my pup is a model of good behaviour. He's a typical wilful adolescent, but with luck and effort he'll grow out of it.
In reply to Ridge:
Erm I was replying to choss , you can see that in the top left section of my post where it says " In reply to Choss:"
when you say shock collar, do you mean collars like the dogtra 1210ncp? there are a few different types of shock collars.
you can buy all the collars you say are illegal, at many places in the uk.
all this type of shock or punishment collars are a break from reward based training and are abhorrent.
http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/our-resources/kennel-club-campaigns/electri...
http://www.apbc.org.uk/articles/shockcollars
http://www.k9-equipment.co.uk/1210-ncp-series-e-collar-112-p.asp
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Erm I was replying to choss , you can see that in the top left section of my post where it says " In reply to Choss:"
when you say shock collar, do you mean collars like the dogtra 1210ncp? there are a few different types of shock collars.
you can buy all the collars you say are illegal, at many places in the uk.
all this type of shock or punishment collars are a break from reward based training and are abhorrent.
http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/our-resources/kennel-club-campaigns/electri...
http://www.apbc.org.uk/articles/shockcollars
http://www.k9-equipment.co.uk/1210-ncp-series-e-collar-112-p.asp
there
In reply to toad:
Try this:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/In-Defence-Dogs-Need-Understanding/dp/014104649X/re...
Up to date, erudite and learned. There's little need for the macho posturing approach to dog training and, whatever certain folk may think, some dogs (particularly scent hounds in my experience) will NOT respond to the sort of training suggested in parts of this thread.
Try this:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/In-Defence-Dogs-Need-Understanding/dp/014104649X/re...
Up to date, erudite and learned. There's little need for the macho posturing approach to dog training and, whatever certain folk may think, some dogs (particularly scent hounds in my experience) will NOT respond to the sort of training suggested in parts of this thread.
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