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How will it affect the referendum? I think the continuing blight of Scottish sectarianism will be a significant factor in the vote. Those Union flag carrying Orangemen will vote No.
In reply to aln:
So your point is that if you're a unionist protestant then you're a sectarian, anti-scottish bigot ?
So your point is that if you're a unionist protestant then you're a sectarian, anti-scottish bigot ?
In reply to aln:
No. My point is that after 50 years of living in Scotland my experience of Orangemen is that they'll support the Unionist viewpoint no matter what. And they're usually bigoted in various ways.
No. My point is that after 50 years of living in Scotland my experience of Orangemen is that they'll support the Unionist viewpoint no matter what. And they're usually bigoted in various ways.
In reply to aln:
As opposed to the Catholic sectarianists who...
> No. My point is that after 50 years of living in Scotland my experience of Orangemen is that they'll support the Unionist viewpoint no matter what. And they're usually bigoted in various ways.
As opposed to the Catholic sectarianists who...
In reply to aln:
It's our sectarianism. Nobody should be able to take it away from us particularly Westminster... Alex'll sort it out....
> Scottish sectarianism
It's our sectarianism. Nobody should be able to take it away from us particularly Westminster... Alex'll sort it out....
In reply to off-duty:
When there are fights it isn't protestant sectarians vs catholic sectarians. It is protestant sectarians vs socialist/republican groups.
> As opposed to the Catholic sectarianists who...
When there are fights it isn't protestant sectarians vs catholic sectarians. It is protestant sectarians vs socialist/republican groups.
In reply to tom_in_edinburgh:
Hmm.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/pictures-sectarianism-flare...
Looks pretty protestant/catholic to me.
> When there are fights it isn't protestant sectarians vs catholic sectarians. It is protestant sectarians vs socialist/republican groups.
Hmm.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/pictures-sectarianism-flare...
Looks pretty protestant/catholic to me.
In reply to off-duty:
I didn't say anyone's behaviour was appalling.
> Well, presumably you have a view on their equally appalling behaviour?
I didn't say anyone's behaviour was appalling.
In reply to aln:
Well, you clearly aren't a supporter of Unionist Sectarianism.
But your posts :-
"the continuing blight of Scottish sectarianism" followed by a reference specifically to "Union flag carrying Orangemen"
followed by a post referring to bigoted unionist orangemen, don't mention the other side of the bigotry coin - Catholic sectarianism.
> I didn't say anyone's behaviour was appalling.
Well, you clearly aren't a supporter of Unionist Sectarianism.
But your posts :-
"the continuing blight of Scottish sectarianism" followed by a reference specifically to "Union flag carrying Orangemen"
followed by a post referring to bigoted unionist orangemen, don't mention the other side of the bigotry coin - Catholic sectarianism.
In reply to off-duty:
Looks like morons to me. There are undoubtedly idiots on both sides of the divide. The "Walk" through Bo'ness last w3ek showed that.
My point is that Orange people will vote No through allegiance rather than any kinda logical thought process.
> Hmm.
> Looks pretty protestant/catholic to me.
Looks like morons to me. There are undoubtedly idiots on both sides of the divide. The "Walk" through Bo'ness last w3ek showed that.
My point is that Orange people will vote No through allegiance rather than any kinda logical thought process.
In reply to aln:
I agree.
And Catholic sectarians are likely to vote Yes in an equally kneejerk reaction.
> Looks like morons to me. There are undoubtedly idiots on both sides of the divide. The "Walk" through Bo'ness last w3ek showed that.
I agree.
> My point is that Orange people will vote No through allegiance rather than any kinda logical thought process.
And Catholic sectarians are likely to vote Yes in an equally kneejerk reaction.
In reply to off-duty:
I disagree.
> And Catholic sectarians are likely to vote Yes in an equally kneejerk reaction.
I disagree.
In reply to off-duty:
Does the side you have characterized as 'catholic' chant religious slogans or Irish republican slogans?
> Hmm.
> Looks pretty protestant/catholic to me.
Does the side you have characterized as 'catholic' chant religious slogans or Irish republican slogans?
In reply to tom_in_edinburgh:
Are you looking at sub dividing Scottish sectarianism into three groups now?
Protestants, Catholics and republicans?
> Does the side you have characterized as 'catholic' chant religious slogans or Irish republican slogans?
Are you looking at sub dividing Scottish sectarianism into three groups now?
Protestants, Catholics and republicans?
In reply to off-duty:
No - I'm saying the 'catholic' label is simplistic and inaccurate. The group is not defined by religion it is defined by ethnicity and politics.
> Are you looking at sub dividing Scottish sectarianism into three groups now?
> Protestants, Catholics and republicans?
No - I'm saying the 'catholic' label is simplistic and inaccurate. The group is not defined by religion it is defined by ethnicity and politics.
In reply to tom_in_edinburgh:
In that case I apologise for not using a more inclusive term for the group identified as "the sectarian opposition to the protestant/orange order/rangers supporting side, often typified by their identification with Irish republicans, their belief (however insincere) in Catholicism and their support for football teams with a propensity for green - eg Celtic and Hibs"
> No - I'm saying the 'catholic' label is simplistic and inaccurate. The group is not defined by religion it is defined by ethnicity and politics.
In that case I apologise for not using a more inclusive term for the group identified as "the sectarian opposition to the protestant/orange order/rangers supporting side, often typified by their identification with Irish republicans, their belief (however insincere) in Catholicism and their support for football teams with a propensity for green - eg Celtic and Hibs"
In reply to off-duty:
Cut out "their belief (however insincere) in Catholicism" and you'll be there. According to Wikipedia there were only 184,000 regular mass attending Catholics in Scotland in 2009. The religion is dying of natural causes it is an ethnic/political thing now.
> In that case I apologise for not using a more inclusive term for the group identified as "the sectarian opposition to the protestant/orange order/rangers supporting side, often typified by their identification with Irish republicans, their belief (however insincere) in Catholicism and their support for football teams with a propensity for green - eg Celtic and Hibs"
Cut out "their belief (however insincere) in Catholicism" and you'll be there. According to Wikipedia there were only 184,000 regular mass attending Catholics in Scotland in 2009. The religion is dying of natural causes it is an ethnic/political thing now.
In reply to aln:
There's going to be an Orange march in Edinburgh to show support for the union not long before the referendum
also this was an Orange Bonfire in belfast recently
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BsU7ZThCcAAH-kd.jpg
There's going to be an Orange march in Edinburgh to show support for the union not long before the referendum
also this was an Orange Bonfire in belfast recently
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BsU7ZThCcAAH-kd.jpg
In reply to aln:
We are at the mercy of Rangers supporters. That's probably worse than being at the mercy of David Cameron and George Osborne.
We are at the mercy of Rangers supporters. That's probably worse than being at the mercy of David Cameron and George Osborne.
In reply to off-duty:
Yip. Rangers fans, Celtic fans, everyone else.
> Are you looking at sub dividing Scottish sectarianism into three groups now?
Yip. Rangers fans, Celtic fans, everyone else.
In
The whole independence movement. Is primarily an emotionally driven thing, as opposed to the result of pure logic. People feel they want independence first then look for arguments to support their emotional position.
> My point is that Orange people will vote No through allegiance rather than any kinda logical thought process.
The whole independence movement. Is primarily an emotionally driven thing, as opposed to the result of pure logic. People feel they want independence first then look for arguments to support their emotional position.
In reply to Jim Fraser:
Unfortunately I think you may be correct.
> We are at the mercy of Rangers supporters.
Unfortunately I think you may be correct.
In reply to aln:
Presumably then if the Irish diaspora don't get the result they wish for then they'll all go home?
Presumably then if the Irish diaspora don't get the result they wish for then they'll all go home?
In reply to aln:
Surely the result will be decided by the "don't knows" rather than Rangers or Celtic fans?
Surely the result will be decided by the "don't knows" rather than Rangers or Celtic fans?
In reply to aln:
My Tory rangers supporting pal ( off to Ireland for a few days ' walking' ) agrees with that
( but not before saluting a photo of his Protestant Queen down at his local bowling club)
> How will it affect the referendum? I think the continuing blight of Scottish sectarianism will be a significant factor in the vote. Those Union flag carrying Orangemen will vote No.
My Tory rangers supporting pal ( off to Ireland for a few days ' walking' ) agrees with that
( but not before saluting a photo of his Protestant Queen down at his local bowling club)
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In reply to 999thAndy:
Ah, but did you miss the thread where I conjectured, that the "don't knows " will split roughly 50/50, leaving those so apathetic they don't usually vote, to make the decision.
( IF they can be bothered
> Surely the result will be decided by the "don't knows" rather than Rangers or Celtic fans?
Ah, but did you miss the thread where I conjectured, that the "don't knows " will split roughly 50/50, leaving those so apathetic they don't usually vote, to make the decision.
( IF they can be bothered
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In reply to Jim C:
That will be me then.
If I can be bothered.
Shame on me ,but I'm not paying the slightest bit of attention to the whole thing.
Roll on September when I wont have to listen to any more of this shit
> Ah, but did you miss the thread where I conjectured, that the "don't knows " will split roughly 50/50, leaving those so apathetic they don't usually vote, to make the decision.
> ( IF they can be bothered
That will be me then.
If I can be bothered.
Shame on me ,but I'm not paying the slightest bit of attention to the whole thing.
Roll on September when I wont have to listen to any more of this shit
In reply to Saor Alba:
He almost seems like somebody you wouldn't come across for much longer, once people like him have died out, like he's from another time. Hard to put into words quite what I mean.
> I love that guy. He was out in Inverness today.
He almost seems like somebody you wouldn't come across for much longer, once people like him have died out, like he's from another time. Hard to put into words quite what I mean.
Post edited at 22:52
In reply to Timmd:
Somebody with a truely ferverent, irrational, nationalism? "My country right or wrong" How Buchan reads? - I think I know what you mean, but it is hard to describe.
> He almost seems like somebody you wouldn't come across for much longer, once people like him have died out, like he's from another time. Hard to put into words quite what I mean.
Somebody with a truely ferverent, irrational, nationalism? "My country right or wrong" How Buchan reads? - I think I know what you mean, but it is hard to describe.
In reply to Dr.S at work:
He just seems to be very strongly of his background and time I guess, so you couldn't mistake him for anything else. It's something not always as apparent as it is with him...I think?
He just seems to be very strongly of his background and time I guess, so you couldn't mistake him for anything else. It's something not always as apparent as it is with him...I think?
Post edited at 23:29
In reply to Timmd:
He just seems loopy is probably what you mean.
I'm interested that he thinks Jesus would vote No. I can't find a basis for that in the New Testament. Nor for its opposite.
He just seems loopy is probably what you mean.
I'm interested that he thinks Jesus would vote No. I can't find a basis for that in the New Testament. Nor for its opposite.
In reply to Tim Chappell:
Maybe, I dunno really, I think I can just imagine a group of people like him causing havoc on a battle field, being very brave and getting stuck in, being staunchly patriotic for the UK and believing God is on their side.
It is tricky to put into word what I mean though. I think I'll give up. ()
Maybe, I dunno really, I think I can just imagine a group of people like him causing havoc on a battle field, being very brave and getting stuck in, being staunchly patriotic for the UK and believing God is on their side.
It is tricky to put into word what I mean though. I think I'll give up. ()
Post edited at 23:43
In reply to Tim Chappell:
Clearly Jesus would not vote at all because he is not resident in Scotland.
> I'm interested that he thinks Jesus would vote No.
Clearly Jesus would not vote at all because he is not resident in Scotland.
In reply to aln:
Can someone clarify if there is a sectarian Yes campaign? There is a sectarian No campaign in the form of the Orange Order but the Yes campaign doesn't suffer from such idiots.
Can someone clarify if there is a sectarian Yes campaign? There is a sectarian No campaign in the form of the Orange Order but the Yes campaign doesn't suffer from such idiots.
In reply to tom_in_edinburgh:
quite right, he resides in Yorkshire, Gods own county.
> Clearly Jesus would not vote at all because he is not resident in Scotland.
quite right, he resides in Yorkshire, Gods own county.
In reply to off-duty:
Please don't bring Hibs into this. If you think there's any comparison in the context of this conversation between Hibs and Celtic you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.
> eg Celtic and Hibs"
Please don't bring Hibs into this. If you think there's any comparison in the context of this conversation between Hibs and Celtic you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.
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