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Hi all,

I know its against common sense to talk religion or politics, but I'd just like to raise awareness of a worrying cancer in UK society currently. A group called Britain First.

For those who haven't heard of them, effectively they trick people into supporting them, both financially and with facebook "likes" by using honey traps such as poppy appeals, pictures of abused dogs/children etc and then not giving any of the money to charity. They currently have support of over half a million people on facebook. This is a group who's main policy seems to be violently opposing anything related to the muslim race. It brings up worrying comparisons with the rise of the Nazis in 1930s Germany if you replace "Jewish" with "Muslim". It gets more worrying when you see comments on their page on a regular basis calling for a second Kristallnacht, segregation into ghettos and even a coming holocaust. These are posts a political party are encouraging. You can check out their page here:

https://www.facebook.com/britainfirstgb

However, I'd much prefer it if you'd check out this page which gives information on their posts with sources:

https://www.facebook.com/Exposing0Britain0First?ref=ts&fref=ts



Sorry for the digression from normal service,

Ash

In reply to dutybooty:

Well said buddy. Horrible c$/&$.

They were planning to give Farage an armed escort to Scotland at one point

Also comically camp!

In reply to dutybooty:

Scum. I have been educating people who share their pictures on Facebook for ages now and most see the reality and stop. Those that don't get unfriended both on Facebook and in the real world.
They seem to have lost a lot of people when they recently tried to hijack poppy sales though.

In reply to Dax H:

Sadly there seem to be plenty who know exactly what they're about and still support them .... one of our very best friends who also happens to be a lesbian ... you'd think someone from a minority would be sympathetic to other minorities ... you and I would be sadly disappointed

In reply to dutybooty:


I don't like Britain First as much as the next sane man, but is it really possible to be tricked into supporting something? I mean - yes, you can trick someone into liking a page, but that doesn't mean you support the page, just that you hit the like button - intentionally or otherwise.

They are making a big noise in the press and chatter boards. That is all. There will always be groups like this. They surface then fade away when everyone realises what a bunch of nutters they are. Remember the BNP on question time? And now? Still in the shadows of seedy pub function rooms.

In reply to ByEek:

Not necessarily about people supporting BF, but BF's use of social media is a way of BF broadcasting its message more widely under the cover of innoucous issues such as animal cruelty, nurses' pay vs. bankers' pay etc . A very left wing friend of mine posted a like/shared their FB page which was to do with nurses' pay and bankers' pay but had no idea about the real agenda until I told her.

But I agree let's hope they vanish into obscurity again like the BNP.

In reply to dutybooty:

As I understand it, they're essentially BNP, and I occasionally get their rubbish on my facebook feed from people who take that "please share" guff at face value. but it isn't all bad. Have a look at Britain Furst on f/book for all your musliamic raygun needs. It's an effective parody with a nice line in belittling the racists, or you could take a look at hope not hate for something a bit more serious

In reply to paulcarey:

But that is the thing I don't get. I don't like cruilty to animals. They don't like cruilty to animals. I share something they posted therefore suddenly I support their underlying cause. Rubbish!

Sure I am helping them broadcast articles about cruilty to animals but given they don't publically broadcast their wider motives I don't have too much of a problem with it.

I am sure that under the public gloss there is much dirt to be found amidst our mainstream political parties.

In reply to ByEek:

Look at it a different way that you aren't suppoorting them but helping them spread their message.

Do you want to support spreading the message of racist organisation? Because underneath all of the cruelty to animals stuff that, in the end, is what happens.

In reply to ByEek:



While you might know you don't support their cause, I suspect they don't see it that way, and will see the thousands of FB 'likes' as a measure of their general popularity/support and therefore be encouraged to continue their other hateful activities. To quote Maggie, don't give them the 'oxygen of publicity' (she was, at least, right about something).

In reply to ByEek:

They don't give a shit about abused animals though, it is just about getting publicity, publicity = credibility.

I happen to know Lee Rigby's uncle through work and the Rigby family have been work very hard to stop Britain First from using his image, one thing is very clear from the contact they have had is that Britain First don't give a flying f**k about Lee's memory of the feelings of his family.

In reply to ByEek:

A lot of the stories they use are old or discredited - stuff going round in circles and zombie stories. So unless you independently research every "please share" you see from them, you don't know if you're just perpetuating rubbish

In reply to The New NickB:

Don't get me wrong. I wholeheartedly agree with all that has been stated. I just feel that Facebook likes and chatter on Twitter are not representative of public opinion at large. Britain First are a long way off being a force to reckon with despite their supposed Facebook following.

In reply to cander:


What bizarre logic. So you're saying that because some of the Indian community in the UK gets grief from some of the white majority, that should be reason enough for them to abandon their deep seated hatred of Pakistan & its people, as Pakistanis are another minority here?

In reply to Chris Harris:

Since when was their a deep seated hatred of Indian's to Pakistanis? Or are we talking amout a minority of minorities?

In reply to ByEek:

Since about 1947.

In reply to Chris Harris:

Well yes I am, people who are on the margins through no fault of their own, should at least support others in the same situation - there's nothing bizarre about that logic. Indians who hate Pakistanis are no better than Britian First.

In reply to ByEek:

You can't be tricked in supporting people but you can be indoctrinated. Especially the more vulnerable younger minds who have yet to make their minds up about their beliefs and ideologies.

In reply to dutybooty:


There's no such thing.

In reply to Clauso:



Saudi sports day?

In reply to Chris Harris:


Quality

In reply to The New NickB:


So does that mean I hate all Argentinians, Iraqis, Afganistanis, and Serbs? After all the UK has been war with all of these nations in my lifetime.

Didn't India and Pakistan used to be one peaceful country until we f**ked it up in 1947?

In reply to ByEek:


I don't know, do you? The fact remains there are huge tensions between India and Pakistan which sometimes result in localised armed conflict. The reason being primarily religion and Kashmir.


No, there have always been tensions between the different religious and ethnic groups, but our actions at partition didn't help.

In reply to ByEek:


No.

In reply to dutybooty:

I like this. Maybe an idea for the future?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/18/neo-nazis-tricked-into-raising...

In reply to ByEek:


Hear, hear!

In reply to ByEek:


I would not be so sure of that. In fact given that social media users tend to to younger rather than older. and that younger people tend to be more tolerant of immigration/ethnic minorites the facebook/twitter stats may actually be lagging behind broader public opinion though how we ever know for sure either way I've no idea. I realise there are some sweeping generalisations there but when you are talking about 63m people that's more or less inevitable.
It's also backed up by some other straws in the wind. Ukip are gaining ground fast thanks to an anti-foreigner, anti-immigrant message and the tories and Labour who are both polling practically non-stop are hardening their stances on immigration. That suggests to me that they are responding directly to the feedback from their private polling. Let's face it, they are not doing it because they think it will lose them votes. The Daily Mail has, I believe , just taken over from the Sun as the biggest selling national paper (albeit so far only on a Saturday when it has a v good tv section to help sales). I'm not aware of anything that could explain that (eg price war, big comps etc) that would explain that so, again, perhaps readers like the Mail's relentless foreigner-knocking tone.
That does not mean of course that Britain First's more extreme views represent a majority or even sizeable minority but that could well be the way things are drifting

In reply to toad:


TBH pretty much all 'please share' posts are rubbish and the bane of facebook

Back on thread. It seems to be quite an effective strategy, post something that most right thinking people would agree with, (stop dog fighting, pay nurses more etc), then hoover up the 'likes'.

Sadly a lot of people seem to think the more 'likes' a post has it has to be correct, and that makes the underlying racism seem acceptable.

In reply to ByEek:


That's an interesting, self-flagellatory perspective.

There are still 150 million muslims in India, who probably don't hate Pakistanis, about 10% of the UK's muslim population comes from India.

The Islamic invasion of the sub-continent stole a third of the land, stole a third of the people and sits threatening what's left with nuclear weapons, the British invasion looks positively benign in comparison.

In reply to winhill:


A fair amount of death and bloodshed did occur during the partitioning.

In reply to Timmd:


The civil war was looming way before partition, the British left them to it. Interestingly Ali Jinnah wasn't in favour of partition until WWII, when the shift in power meant that it was obvious the British wouldn't be able to worry about the colonies.

In reply to dutybooty:
http://m.echo-news.co.uk/news/11171455.Police_make_public_aware_of_far_righ...

More amusing, have a look on YouTube for them crashing the landrover into a carpark barrier.