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Got to do a talk tomorrow to a bunch of media academics tomorrow about women, climbing and the media. Talk is pretty finished, but I just can't decide on a catching/cool title. It's all about representation and mis-representation of women in the media (mainstream and specialist media).
There was a nice article by Mick Ryan "Climb like a girl" a few years ago, I liked that one.
"Chicks with picks" comes to mind (but is a bit winter focused.... I don't know what, I am looking for something catching. So if you are bored, please hit me with your suggestions!!
There was a nice article by Mick Ryan "Climb like a girl" a few years ago, I liked that one.
"Chicks with picks" comes to mind (but is a bit winter focused.... I don't know what, I am looking for something catching. So if you are bored, please hit me with your suggestions!!
In reply to Heike:
Cracked nails
Lipstick, clip-stick, chalk-dust
I'm more than just a rack
I ain't no belay bunny
Gravity knows no gender
Its all about the face (play on Its all about the base)
Cracked nails
Lipstick, clip-stick, chalk-dust
I'm more than just a rack
I ain't no belay bunny
Gravity knows no gender
Its all about the face (play on Its all about the base)
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In reply to Justin T:
Now, the latter sounds a wee bit rude...
> Girls with Krabs?
> Chicks with Nuts?
Now, the latter sounds a wee bit rude...
In reply to Heike:
Girls just wanna climb? (Or even Girls just wanna have fun?)
A Journalists's guide to women climbers?
Girls just wanna climb? (Or even Girls just wanna have fun?)
A Journalists's guide to women climbers?
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> Its all about the face (play on Its all about the base)
Oh, are you thinking about a specific person here?...
In reply to The Lemming:
sorry, that's too cheesy . I might go with your "I ain't no belay bunny" , I quite like that unless you/me/anyone has anything more ingenious.
'Gravity knows no gender' is really good to, but the other one relates perhaps more to what I am saying...
sorry, that's too cheesy . I might go with your "I ain't no belay bunny" , I quite like that unless you/me/anyone has anything more ingenious.
'Gravity knows no gender' is really good to, but the other one relates perhaps more to what I am saying...
In reply to Heike:
How about "My other hobby is ironing!..."?
Short, snappy, and touches on the feminine side of things?
How about "My other hobby is ironing!..."?
Short, snappy, and touches on the feminine side of things?
In reply to Clauso:
I don't think so, the only person in our household to reluctantly iron is my hubby, a workshirt once in a while. Ironing is so old skool!
I don't think so, the only person in our household to reluctantly iron is my hubby, a workshirt once in a while. Ironing is so old skool!
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In reply to girlymonkey:
Thank you girlymonkey, but maybe I have a dirty mind, but that would make me chuckle....(and it might be too much for a bunch of academics!
Thank you girlymonkey, but maybe I have a dirty mind, but that would make me chuckle....(and it might be too much for a bunch of academics!
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In reply to The Lemming:
I think your suggestions are going downhill now This is a bunch of middleaged academics I have to talk to! Save my face!
I think your suggestions are going downhill now This is a bunch of middleaged academics I have to talk to! Save my face!
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In reply to Heike:
If you presentation mentions big wall ascents, then you could conceivably get away with Haul About Eve?
If you presentation mentions big wall ascents, then you could conceivably get away with Haul About Eve?
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In reply to Heike:
Are you sure you want cool or funky? What about something thought-provoking and illustrative of the content of your talk? The media coverage and reaction surrounding Hargreaves' death might provide something along the lines of "bad mother takes senseless risk" which you could use perhaps?
Or, to keep more in line with the way the thread has gone, something about massive jugs?
Are you sure you want cool or funky? What about something thought-provoking and illustrative of the content of your talk? The media coverage and reaction surrounding Hargreaves' death might provide something along the lines of "bad mother takes senseless risk" which you could use perhaps?
Or, to keep more in line with the way the thread has gone, something about massive jugs?
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In reply to Turdus torquatus:
The Hargreaves case was the start of my research many years ago, but now, I think we have moved beyond this "bad mother takes senseless risks" at the same time there is still this - to use an academic word - 'dichotomy' of women climbers being accepted for their achievements, but also in other instances sexualised, trivialised and under-represented. So, I am trying to find an interesting title that matches this.
Nothing about massive jugs, please (the people are not climbers and won't understand this anyways But I don't want to stop anyone's creativity!!!
So, I want thought-provoking without being rude!
The Hargreaves case was the start of my research many years ago, but now, I think we have moved beyond this "bad mother takes senseless risks" at the same time there is still this - to use an academic word - 'dichotomy' of women climbers being accepted for their achievements, but also in other instances sexualised, trivialised and under-represented. So, I am trying to find an interesting title that matches this.
Nothing about massive jugs, please (the people are not climbers and won't understand this anyways But I don't want to stop anyone's creativity!!!
So, I want thought-provoking without being rude!
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In reply to Heike:
In a totally unrelated thread recently someone used the phrase 'the shrink it and pink it culture' when talking about girls toys. Would 'Shrink it and pink it' work?
In a totally unrelated thread recently someone used the phrase 'the shrink it and pink it culture' when talking about girls toys. Would 'Shrink it and pink it' work?
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In reply to Heike:
Trust me, I'm being on my best behaviour.
Climbing..
we never fake it.
> I think your suggestions are going downhill now
Trust me, I'm being on my best behaviour.
Climbing..
we never fake it.
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In reply to Heike:
So what does 'Crimp' mean to you?
Ditto 'End of the Affair'
Excuse me, I just need to file my nails......
So what does 'Crimp' mean to you?
Ditto 'End of the Affair'
Excuse me, I just need to file my nails......
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In reply to nniff:
not a bad idea actually...I still have some old nail varnish left over from my teenage years (unless it's dried in)
> Real women use nail varnish to mark their gear
not a bad idea actually...I still have some old nail varnish left over from my teenage years (unless it's dried in)
In reply to Heike:
I'm a Humbrol Enamel man myself. I find I get funny looks if I wear the glittery stuff.......
I'm a Humbrol Enamel man myself. I find I get funny looks if I wear the glittery stuff.......
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In reply to Heike:
I'd seriously think of using it. Why on earth should penis mean porn? It's not a dirty word, after all. But lots of people in twee little England think so, I suppose – the sort of people who spend their time being shocked, and then shuffle off to buy the latest grotty tabloid newspaper in order to be able to revel in the latest scandals.
I'd seriously think of using it. Why on earth should penis mean porn? It's not a dirty word, after all. But lots of people in twee little England think so, I suppose – the sort of people who spend their time being shocked, and then shuffle off to buy the latest grotty tabloid newspaper in order to be able to revel in the latest scandals.
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In reply to krikoman:
Gosh, I hadn't realised how clever you'd been with those capitals! Doubly brilliant.
> It's better if you're Yorkshire.
Gosh, I hadn't realised how clever you'd been with those capitals! Doubly brilliant.
In reply to jon:
Yeah, that's a good one actually. Gives me opportunity to fill five minutes to explain!!
Yeah, that's a good one actually. Gives me opportunity to fill five minutes to explain!!
In reply to jon:
Yes - I wasn't entirely sure that the quote was genuine/original but it nonetheless seems to have slipped into climbing folklore as a sort of iconic reference to what was quite possibly the outstanding rockclimbing achievement - from either gender - of the 1990s.
> Apparently it was Bachar who made that one up for her.
Yes - I wasn't entirely sure that the quote was genuine/original but it nonetheless seems to have slipped into climbing folklore as a sort of iconic reference to what was quite possibly the outstanding rockclimbing achievement - from either gender - of the 1990s.
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In reply to Heike: If your talk has examples of how every positive representation has one or many misrepresentations then you could have 'Climbing: the greasy pole' - take the semicolon out if your talk goes wider than just climbing.
If you want to show how despite every effort stereotypes about female climbers remain but you think this can be changed how about 'Climbing beyond the glass ceiling'. I believe the oxygen of publicity is necessary to sustain progress once you get to such altitudes.
Hth,
T.
If you want to show how despite every effort stereotypes about female climbers remain but you think this can be changed how about 'Climbing beyond the glass ceiling'. I believe the oxygen of publicity is necessary to sustain progress once you get to such altitudes.
Hth,
T.
In reply to Heike:
I am surprised that no-one has offered that old quote "An easy day for a lady" Not sure who said it - perhaps you could build on its condescending nature to make your point.
Just found the full quote by Mummery.
It has frequently been noticed that all mountains appear doomed to pass through the three stages: An inaccessible peak - The most difficult ascent in the Alps - An easy day for a lady.
— Albert Frederick Mummery, My Climbs in the Alps and Caucasus
I am surprised that no-one has offered that old quote "An easy day for a lady" Not sure who said it - perhaps you could build on its condescending nature to make your point.
Just found the full quote by Mummery.
It has frequently been noticed that all mountains appear doomed to pass through the three stages: An inaccessible peak - The most difficult ascent in the Alps - An easy day for a lady.
— Albert Frederick Mummery, My Climbs in the Alps and Caucasus
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In reply to keith-ratcliffe:
Crampons and tampons.
No helmet required.
Sandbags at dawn!
Ladies equal adze
Crampons and tampons.
No helmet required.
Sandbags at dawn!
Ladies equal adze
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In reply to Gordon Stainforth:
Why thank you.
I don't see why you have to be so condensing, what's up with you ?
Nappy full again?
> Gosh, I hadn't realised how clever you'd been with those capitals! Doubly brilliant.
Why thank you.
I don't see why you have to be so condensing, what's up with you ?
Nappy full again?
In reply to krikoman:
Er, I don't follow you. I thought what you had pointed out was a very clever use of the place names of Summit and Penis(tone) that I hadn't noticed before. What I said, I meant. I was v impressed. Thought your original title was very good in its own right. You can't even praise anybody these days on this peculiar forum without being criticised for doing so it seems.
Er, I don't follow you. I thought what you had pointed out was a very clever use of the place names of Summit and Penis(tone) that I hadn't noticed before. What I said, I meant. I was v impressed. Thought your original title was very good in its own right. You can't even praise anybody these days on this peculiar forum without being criticised for doing so it seems.
In reply to krikoman:
PS. It really has become a desperately unusable forum these days, compared with what it once was.
PS. It really has become a desperately unusable forum these days, compared with what it once was.
In reply to Gordon Stainforth:
I do beg your pardon.
I'm just not used to being praised, especially on here and especially twice!!
Normal service has been restored.
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> PS. It really has become a desperately unusable forum these days, compared with what it once was.
I do beg your pardon.
I'm just not used to being praised, especially on here and especially twice!!
Normal service has been restored.
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In reply to Heike:
I'm sorry I'm going to upset someone ....... How about
Knockers on Heavens Door!
Sorry Bob .
I'm sorry I'm going to upset someone ....... How about
Knockers on Heavens Door!
Sorry Bob .
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In reply to Heike:
Cooking at the crag....
("cooking" as in the "very good" sense of the expression.)
Cooking at the crag....
("cooking" as in the "very good" sense of the expression.)
In reply to Heike:
'Fresh Off The Press'
'Drop Me A Headline'
'Don't Cry For Me Marge And Tina'*
'There's A Jug Above Your Head'
*shamelessly stolen from Monty Python or somewhere
Good luck with your talk!
> Got to do a talk tomorrow to a bunch of media academics tomorrow about women, climbing and the media. Talk is pretty finished, but I just can't decide on a catching/cool title. It's all about representation and mis-representation of women in the media (mainstream and specialist media).
'Fresh Off The Press'
'Drop Me A Headline'
'Don't Cry For Me Marge And Tina'*
'There's A Jug Above Your Head'
*shamelessly stolen from Monty Python or somewhere
Good luck with your talk!
In reply to Heike:
"The Glass Roof" ........ < spin on the term "Glass Ceiling" >
" Not a level Pitch"
"Going tits up" ........ < I think I've let myself down there .......>
"The Glass Roof" ........ < spin on the term "Glass Ceiling" >
" Not a level Pitch"
"Going tits up" ........ < I think I've let myself down there .......>
In reply to Heike:
< I think I've let myself down there .......> .....Oh, this has generated another idea
"Letting the other half down" ......
"We never drop a bollock" < Oops! >
< I think I've let myself down there .......> .....Oh, this has generated another idea
"Letting the other half down" ......
"We never drop a bollock" < Oops! >
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In reply to Heike:
In light of the recent media love in over at Yosemite, what about "Dawn's Walls"?
In light of the recent media love in over at Yosemite, what about "Dawn's Walls"?
In reply to keith-ratcliffe:
It went well. The audience was not very large as people were dropping of by the minute due to the snow scare ...so, small, but receptive and I went with the the belay bunny theme as this fitted some of the research/ quotes I had. It did get a few laughs / chuckles too. I also educated everyone on the wrongs and rights of the media reporting on the Dawn wall project. fun was had by all ( most anyways)
It went well. The audience was not very large as people were dropping of by the minute due to the snow scare ...so, small, but receptive and I went with the the belay bunny theme as this fitted some of the research/ quotes I had. It did get a few laughs / chuckles too. I also educated everyone on the wrongs and rights of the media reporting on the Dawn wall project. fun was had by all ( most anyways)
In reply to Heike:
Please feel free to donate my consultancy fee, to a pub of your choice in further education of media types.
Please feel free to donate my consultancy fee, to a pub of your choice in further education of media types.
In reply to Heike:
I've caught up with this thread too late to make any suggestions - but as a middle-aged academic I enjoyed *all* the suggestions made here, especially the rude ones!
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I've caught up with this thread too late to make any suggestions - but as a middle-aged academic I enjoyed *all* the suggestions made here, especially the rude ones!
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