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Jesus Mr Hammond, self-winching a Landy up an almost vertical dam face??
That took big balls sir!
That took big balls sir!
In reply to Kimono:
Did look a little scary, but I suspect there was some form of safety line on it.
But hammond does seem to have reasonably big cajones given what he's got up to in the past
Did look a little scary, but I suspect there was some form of safety line on it.
But hammond does seem to have reasonably big cajones given what he's got up to in the past
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In reply to Kimono:
I'd have thought they'd have ran several tests with more weight in the landy and safety lines etc to 'prove' it. Bet we'd all shit our pants doing it ourselves though, all those creaks and groans...
I'd have thought they'd have ran several tests with more weight in the landy and safety lines etc to 'prove' it. Bet we'd all shit our pants doing it ourselves though, all those creaks and groans...
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In reply to Kimono:
If the winch and cable are rated for the job then it takes no bigger balls than you need to trust your brakes at 70mph on the motorway.
> Jesus Mr Hammond, self-winching a Landy up an almost vertical dam face??
> That took big balls sir!
If the winch and cable are rated for the job then it takes no bigger balls than you need to trust your brakes at 70mph on the motorway.
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In reply to timjones:
bullsh@t
you do it then if its so easy.
Fear is in the mind and my mind would have struggled with that, I'm not ashamed to admit
> If the winch and cable are rated for the job then it takes no bigger balls than you need to trust your brakes at 70mph on the motorway.
bullsh@t
you do it then if its so easy.
Fear is in the mind and my mind would have struggled with that, I'm not ashamed to admit
In reply to Kimono:
Was anyone else struck by the irrelevance of the stunt as a 'tribute' to the Land Rover?
The winch could have been attached to a Ford Focus or garden shed and the result would have been the same.
Yes, I am aware of the TV advert but why pay tribute to the advert rather than the machine?
Was anyone else struck by the irrelevance of the stunt as a 'tribute' to the Land Rover?
The winch could have been attached to a Ford Focus or garden shed and the result would have been the same.
Yes, I am aware of the TV advert but why pay tribute to the advert rather than the machine?
In reply to Kimono:
Steady on it's just an opinion. It's no more bullsh!t than the opinion you expressed in the OP. I'm sure his balls are roughly the same size as everyone elses
I've not seen it yet but I bet he made every effort to appear scared.
If it was cheap I might, given that it isn't cheap I can think of a load of other more exciting things that I'd spend the money on first.
Some people think rollercoasters are scary but if you focus on the workings of them they are pretty tame. The fact that I tend to see the reality and find them boring does not mean that I have big balls or that I am somehow braver than those who find them scary IMO.
> bullsh@t
Steady on it's just an opinion. It's no more bullsh!t than the opinion you expressed in the OP. I'm sure his balls are roughly the same size as everyone elses
I've not seen it yet but I bet he made every effort to appear scared.
> you do it then if its so easy.
If it was cheap I might, given that it isn't cheap I can think of a load of other more exciting things that I'd spend the money on first.
> Fear is in the mind and my mind would have struggled with that, I'm not ashamed to admit
Some people think rollercoasters are scary but if you focus on the workings of them they are pretty tame. The fact that I tend to see the reality and find them boring does not mean that I have big balls or that I am somehow braver than those who find them scary IMO.
In reply to TMM:
It has relevance in as much as extreme winch challenges are probably one of the toughest events that Land Rovers are used for. A more realistic challenge might have involved replicating my efforts to feed the sheep on an extremely rainy and muddy day, but that wouldn't make such good telly.
You could probably attach a winch to Ford Focus but attaching one to a LR is pretty much a straight bolt-on job as they are designed for it. A Ford Focus would require considerably more work and even then the wheels may fall off if the terrain was too extreme
> Was anyone else struck by the irrelevance of the stunt as a 'tribute' to the Land Rover?
> The winch could have been attached to a Ford Focus or garden shed and the result would have been the same.
> Yes, I am aware of the TV advert but why pay tribute to the advert rather than the machine?
It has relevance in as much as extreme winch challenges are probably one of the toughest events that Land Rovers are used for. A more realistic challenge might have involved replicating my efforts to feed the sheep on an extremely rainy and muddy day, but that wouldn't make such good telly.
You could probably attach a winch to Ford Focus but attaching one to a LR is pretty much a straight bolt-on job as they are designed for it. A Ford Focus would require considerably more work and even then the wheels may fall off if the terrain was too extreme
In reply to timjones:
It was piss poor TV and an appalling tribute to the venerable Landrover. It took absolutely no balls as it had been health and saftey'd up the arse. Your granny could've done it. You're not missing anything so don't waste your time - do something useful like shave your feet, sleep, evacuate your bowels, any of which would be more rewarding than watching that pish .
> I've not seen it yet but I bet he made every effort to appear scared.
It was piss poor TV and an appalling tribute to the venerable Landrover. It took absolutely no balls as it had been health and saftey'd up the arse. Your granny could've done it. You're not missing anything so don't waste your time - do something useful like shave your feet, sleep, evacuate your bowels, any of which would be more rewarding than watching that pish .
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In reply to timjones:
Bullshit. (Not you - I was just checking to see if the UCK swearmangler lets it through.)
I'm sure the stunt with the Landy was less scary for Hammond than when he soloed Saul's Arete with a Morrison's shopping trolley in tow.
Bullshit. (Not you - I was just checking to see if the UCK swearmangler lets it through.)
I'm sure the stunt with the Landy was less scary for Hammond than when he soloed Saul's Arete with a Morrison's shopping trolley in tow.
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In reply to deepsoup:
Do you really think the BBC would let anyone do it if he was at any risk, it's not real life you know just make believe.
Do you really think the BBC would let anyone do it if he was at any risk, it's not real life you know just make believe.
In reply to timjones:
Haha, i had a feeling you hadn't seen it
Whether it was 'health and safeteyed up the arse' or not, if you see it I'm sure if you were honest, you would admit that it was probably pretty hairy....all the creaking and groaning and the lifting of the front wheels away from the dam.
ps as an aside, are we allowed to swear on UKC now?? bollocks for example?
> I've not seen it yet but I bet he made every effort to appear scared.
Haha, i had a feeling you hadn't seen it
Whether it was 'health and safeteyed up the arse' or not, if you see it I'm sure if you were honest, you would admit that it was probably pretty hairy....all the creaking and groaning and the lifting of the front wheels away from the dam.
ps as an aside, are we allowed to swear on UKC now?? bollocks for example?
In reply to robert-hutton:
Do you find you sometimes struggle to identify sarcasm? :O)
Do you find you sometimes struggle to identify sarcasm? :O)
In reply to robert-hutton:
Yes, because there has been absolutely no history of Richard Hammond being seriously injured whilst filming for a BBC show.
Yes, because there has been absolutely no history of Richard Hammond being seriously injured whilst filming for a BBC show.
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In reply to timjones:
If he was acting it was one of the finest bits of acting I have ever seen. I believe he was terrified and though I have done some properly silly and dangerous stuff in my time I think it would have been scary too.
> I've not seen it yet but I bet he made every effort to appear scared.
If he was acting it was one of the finest bits of acting I have ever seen. I believe he was terrified and though I have done some properly silly and dangerous stuff in my time I think it would have been scary too.
In reply to Dax H:
Yes it was a but like watching Dr Who being chased by the daleks the look on the actors face after the tenth take plus editing made it almost realistic.
Yes it was a but like watching Dr Who being chased by the daleks the look on the actors face after the tenth take plus editing made it almost realistic.
For a bunch of folk used to hanging about on ropes I'm surprised to see the way this thread is going.
jk
jk
In reply to woppo:
he was wearing a harness but he'd have to make a quick exit from the landy
That was probably done so that if the Landy got 'crag fast', the rescue team wouldn't have to faff about putting a harness on him before retrieving him independent of the Landy itself.
Very much doubt it would do much if the winch or cable catastrophically failed!
he was wearing a harness but he'd have to make a quick exit from the landy
That was probably done so that if the Landy got 'crag fast', the rescue team wouldn't have to faff about putting a harness on him before retrieving him independent of the Landy itself.
Very much doubt it would do much if the winch or cable catastrophically failed!
In reply to Kimono:
Probably similar to that heart stopping moment when a bit of gear slips by less than a millimetre when you're on a hanging belay...
Probably similar to that heart stopping moment when a bit of gear slips by less than a millimetre when you're on a hanging belay...
In reply to Kimono:
So if I watch it and don't think it was pretty hairy I'm dishonest. Do you always have trouble accepting that others may not share your views?
If you're on a winch cable why would the front wheels lifting scare you¿
> Haha, i had a feeling you hadn't seen it
> Whether it was 'health and safeteyed up the arse' or not, if you see it I'm sure if you were honest, you would admit that it was probably pretty hairy....all the creaking and groaning and the lifting of the front wheels away from the dam.
So if I watch it and don't think it was pretty hairy I'm dishonest. Do you always have trouble accepting that others may not share your views?
If you're on a winch cable why would the front wheels lifting scare you¿
In reply to timjones:
If you're on a winch cable why would the front wheels lifting scare you¿
You could say the same thing about doing a bridge jump, etc. you know in theory the rope won't snap, but there is still a nagging worry before you actually jump.
If you're on a winch cable why would the front wheels lifting scare you¿
You could say the same thing about doing a bridge jump, etc. you know in theory the rope won't snap, but there is still a nagging worry before you actually jump.
In reply to Kimono:
To the OP. I feel that you may have mispunctuated your thread title?
Surely - 'Top Gear? Damn Stunt!'
To the OP. I feel that you may have mispunctuated your thread title?
Surely - 'Top Gear? Damn Stunt!'
In reply to wilkie14c:
Are you sure the creaks and groans weren't sound effects that were added later
> I'd have thought they'd have ran several tests with more weight in the landy and safety lines etc to 'prove' it. Bet we'd all shit our pants doing it ourselves though, all those creaks and groans...
Are you sure the creaks and groans weren't sound effects that were added later
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In reply to timjones:
not at all....
do you always have strong views on other things that you haven't actually seen??
> So if I watch it and don't think it was pretty hairy I'm dishonest. Do you always have trouble accepting that others may not share your views?
not at all....
do you always have strong views on other things that you haven't actually seen??
In reply to timjones:
It'd get into my head that the car's going to keep rotating and flip - totally unphysical but if you're already sh-tting bricks it's not going to help!
More practically, without steering you've got no way to weave left/right to ensure even winding of the cable onto the drum.
> If you're on a winch cable why would the front wheels lifting scare you¿
It'd get into my head that the car's going to keep rotating and flip - totally unphysical but if you're already sh-tting bricks it's not going to help!
More practically, without steering you've got no way to weave left/right to ensure even winding of the cable onto the drum.
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In reply to Kimono:
If I was on his salary, I'd do it.
Mind you, I'd quite happily do it for nowt anyway!
If I was on his salary, I'd do it.
Mind you, I'd quite happily do it for nowt anyway!
In reply to timjones:
I've not seen it, but if they were any good that was almost certainly the case. It's *much* easier to recreate convincing creaks and groans in the studio then overdub them than it is to record them in situ (and the results are usually a lot more convincing).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foley_artist
> Are you sure the creaks and groans weren't sound effects that were added later
I've not seen it, but if they were any good that was almost certainly the case. It's *much* easier to recreate convincing creaks and groans in the studio then overdub them than it is to record them in situ (and the results are usually a lot more convincing).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foley_artist
In reply to deepsoup:
I watched it last night. The sound effects were appallingly bad, nothing like the sounds that you would hear in the situation depicted in the programme.
> I've not seen it, but if they were any good that was almost certainly the case. It's *much* easier to recreate convincing creaks and groans in the studio then overdub them than it is to record them in situ (and the results are usually a lot more convincing).
I watched it last night. The sound effects were appallingly bad, nothing like the sounds that you would hear in the situation depicted in the programme.
In reply to Kimono:
Of course not, but sometimes the scenario is so transparent that you don't need to see it.
Of course not, but sometimes the scenario is so transparent that you don't need to see it.
In reply to Kimono:
Of course not, but sometimes the situation is so transparent that you don't need to see it.
For the record I did watch it last night and I stand by everything I've said.
> not at all....
> do you always have strong views on other things that you haven't actually seen??
Of course not, but sometimes the situation is so transparent that you don't need to see it.
For the record I did watch it last night and I stand by everything I've said.
In reply to wintertree:
Looking at the way that the cable was so evenly laid onto the drum there is no way they achieved that by steering the vehicle with radio guidance from a guy with binoculars at the top of the dam. That winch must have had a self guide.
> It'd get into my head that the car's going to keep rotating and flip - totally unphysical but if you're already sh-tting bricks it's not going to help!
> More practically, without steering you've got no way to weave left/right to ensure even winding of the cable onto the drum.
Looking at the way that the cable was so evenly laid onto the drum there is no way they achieved that by steering the vehicle with radio guidance from a guy with binoculars at the top of the dam. That winch must have had a self guide.
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In reply to timjones:
How do you know that?
> I watched it last night. The sound effects were appallingly bad, nothing like the sounds that you would hear in the situation depicted in the programme.
How do you know that?
In reply to Timmd:
about topgear? hmm, i think ill pass on that
> & timjones
> Lets have an argument on the internet.
about topgear? hmm, i think ill pass on that
In reply to Timmd:
I'd prefer to call it a discussion
I find it interesting that climbers think that you need "big balls" to do this. It's just like abseiling, if you know the strength of all the components in the system and set it up correctly you know that its safe and therefore it's not scary.
> & timjones
> Lets have an argument on the internet.
I'd prefer to call it a discussion
I find it interesting that climbers think that you need "big balls" to do this. It's just like abseiling, if you know the strength of all the components in the system and set it up correctly you know that its safe and therefore it's not scary.
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In reply to Timmd:
Did you think they were realistic?
To someone who has spent a reasonable amount of time working on Land Rovers and other vehicles they sounded seriously implausible. I'd suggest that they were stock sound effects used for everything from creaking submarine hulls to collapsing bridges and buildings.
> How do you know that?
Did you think they were realistic?
To someone who has spent a reasonable amount of time working on Land Rovers and other vehicles they sounded seriously implausible. I'd suggest that they were stock sound effects used for everything from creaking submarine hulls to collapsing bridges and buildings.
This is a great example of UKC and why people give up with it. Take a silly programme (the 1st Top Gear I've watched in several years) and I find myself thinking all the above thoughts in a fairly mild way i.e. looks a bit scary being trapped inside a car on a winch going up a dam but hey I spend my time trusting my life to small pieces of metal and rope and surely those sounds are effects and the winch is winding too perfectly for it not to be automatic and HSE is all over this anyway. Oh, and isn't Hammond a bit of a tw*t, don't believe the acting scared routine but he does have form of these things going wrong....
I had those thoughts whilst watching it but I didn't decide to have an argument about it with random people on the internet.
This thread might have been interesting if someone involved with the prog itself stepped forwards...
I had those thoughts whilst watching it but I didn't decide to have an argument about it with random people on the internet.
This thread might have been interesting if someone involved with the prog itself stepped forwards...
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In reply to Skyfall:
You may be right about some peoples motives for giving up with UKC but it probably says as much about those who give up as it does about those who persevere. You don't leave a cosy pub because you don't want to join in with the conversation that is happening at the far end of the bar.
If this thread isn't your cup of tea there is a really enthralling one about coffee adverts just over there
> This is a great example of UKC and why people give up with it.
You may be right about some peoples motives for giving up with UKC but it probably says as much about those who give up as it does about those who persevere. You don't leave a cosy pub because you don't want to join in with the conversation that is happening at the far end of the bar.
If this thread isn't your cup of tea there is a really enthralling one about coffee adverts just over there
In reply to Skyfall:
It isn't a UKC thing, there's silly banter all over the internet.... at least on UKC it's relatively polite most of the time. If you don't like the way a thread is going just use the 'back' button.
Tim's pub analogy is good, and timely, I heard some people having a similar discussion to this the other day, in a pub.
Back on topic.... it seemed genuine, with the swivel engine (nice), though obviously they ramped up the drama.... I don't think we saw the real rigging. My actual thoughts watching it were they wouldn't put him in any real danger after what he and his family have been through.
> This is a great example of UKC and why people give up with it. Take a silly programme (the 1st Top Gear I've watched in several years) and I find myself thinking all the above thoughts in a fairly mild way i.e. looks a bit scary being trapped inside a car on a winch going up a dam but hey I spend my time trusting my life to small pieces of metal and rope and surely those sounds are effects and the winch is winding too perfectly for it not to be automatic and HSE is all over this anyway. Oh, and isn't Hammond a bit of a tw*t, don't believe the acting scared routine but he does have form of these things going wrong....
> I had those thoughts whilst watching it but I didn't decide to have an argument about it with random people on the internet.
It isn't a UKC thing, there's silly banter all over the internet.... at least on UKC it's relatively polite most of the time. If you don't like the way a thread is going just use the 'back' button.
Tim's pub analogy is good, and timely, I heard some people having a similar discussion to this the other day, in a pub.
Back on topic.... it seemed genuine, with the swivel engine (nice), though obviously they ramped up the drama.... I don't think we saw the real rigging. My actual thoughts watching it were they wouldn't put him in any real danger after what he and his family have been through.
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In reply to timjones:
Top Gear ceased to contain very much that was factual a long time ago. Pretty much everything is faked and/or stage managed. I've given up with it.
> To someone who has spent a reasonable amount of time working on Land Rovers and other vehicles they sounded seriously implausible. I'd suggest that they were stock sound effects used for everything from creaking submarine hulls to collapsing bridges and buildings.
Top Gear ceased to contain very much that was factual a long time ago. Pretty much everything is faked and/or stage managed. I've given up with it.
In reply to PeterM:
If Top Gear up their team to four you should apply.
You have all the requisite character traits.
If Top Gear up their team to four you should apply.
You have all the requisite character traits.
In reply to Dave Garnett:
I remember being a bit miffed when it dawned on me how staged it had become, but now I just watch it as a piece of comedy and generally enjoy it. The bit they did on the ambulances the other week made me almost cry with laughter.
I remember being a bit miffed when it dawned on me how staged it had become, but now I just watch it as a piece of comedy and generally enjoy it. The bit they did on the ambulances the other week made me almost cry with laughter.
In reply to Mike Stretford:
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Pub analogy doesn't work for me.
In the pubs I frequent pub bores and gobshites are just ridiculed and noisy little brats are usually chucked out.
Boggy
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> Tim's pub analogy is good, and timely, I heard some people having a similar discussion to this the other day, in a pub.
>
Pub analogy doesn't work for me.
In the pubs I frequent pub bores and gobshites are just ridiculed and noisy little brats are usually chucked out.
Boggy
In reply to Soren Lorenson:
- What do you mean? My old age, bad hair, and how funny I think I am? No I think there are enough tw*ts like that on the tv already. You're obviously a big Hammond fan and obviously admire his huge balls ..in doing this oh so scary and death defying stunt. Sorry to have offended you.
> If Top Gear up their team to four you should apply.
> You have all the requisite character traits.
- What do you mean? My old age, bad hair, and how funny I think I am? No I think there are enough tw*ts like that on the tv already. You're obviously a big Hammond fan and obviously admire his huge balls ..in doing this oh so scary and death defying stunt. Sorry to have offended you.
In reply to Bogwalloper:
Ridiculing people who don't share your view may work in small locals where you know everyone and they know you. It quite rightly isn't going to go down very well if you do it to someone that you don't know in a busy Wetherspoons. You may well be able to join in with conversations at the bar or at nearby tables, but I wouldn't advise you to take the piss out of conversations being held by random strangers.
> Pub analogy doesn't work for me.
> In the pubs I frequent pub bores and gobshites are just ridiculed and noisy little brats are usually chucked out.
Ridiculing people who don't share your view may work in small locals where you know everyone and they know you. It quite rightly isn't going to go down very well if you do it to someone that you don't know in a busy Wetherspoons. You may well be able to join in with conversations at the bar or at nearby tables, but I wouldn't advise you to take the piss out of conversations being held by random strangers.
In reply to Bogwalloper:
Sound a bit Royston Vasey!
I find most people are 'live and let live', and will happily ignore a conversation they are mildly irritated by, rather than be compelled to intervene in some way.
> Pub analogy doesn't work for me.
> In the pubs I frequent pub bores and gobshites are just ridiculed and noisy little brats are usually chucked out.
Sound a bit Royston Vasey!
I find most people are 'live and let live', and will happily ignore a conversation they are mildly irritated by, rather than be compelled to intervene in some way.
In reply to Kimono:
i certainly wasn't arguing....me and Tim are good mates eh Tim?
A bit of banter about a silly tv prog because the weather's shite out....as i said before, i have far better things to actually fight about!
Now, where were we.....
i certainly wasn't arguing....me and Tim are good mates eh Tim?
A bit of banter about a silly tv prog because the weather's shite out....as i said before, i have far better things to actually fight about!
Now, where were we.....
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