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Quick question. Can anyone tell me what the CLLM is? The initials are on a sign (all in Welsh so I could not understand it) on an old hut by Llyn Arenig Fawr in Snowdonia. My first thought was that it was some sort of bothy/refuge but as it's at quite a low level and only about 15 mins from the road and served by a good access track it seemed a strange place for a refuge.

In reply to Wiley Coyote:

Not sure on the initials, but could it be this hut.... http://www.mountainbothies.org.uk/bothy-details.asp?bothy_id=97

In reply to Ron Rees Davies:

Yes. That's the one.Thanks very much. I'm guessing CLLM may be just the Welsh translation of the MBA or their national version of it.

In reply to Wiley Coyote:

I did wonder about that.

The standard translation of 'Bothy' to welsh is the usual Welsh word for a cottage "Bwthin", but the structure otherwise would be right for something like "Cymdeithas Llety Mynydd" (LL counts as a single letter in Welsh so would be C.Ll.M.) which would loosely translate as "Mountain Accomodation Society".
Can't find this usage online though.

In reply to Ron Rees Davies:

No wonder I was confused! (So what's new?) Thanks to your info I've got a bit more now. The sign is C.LL.M so the two 'L's are not divided by a full stop, tho they are both capitals. The sign also reads Gymdeithas Llochesau Mynydd (why C in the initials and G in the full name I've no idea tho I know that C and G are sometimes interchangeable in Cwm/Gwm) and Llochesau means shelter. Anyway mystery solved so thanks very much indeed, Ron.

In reply to Wiley Coyote:

The C-G thing is not that they are simply "interchangeable", it is the welsh 'soft mutation' - a relic from the fact that welsh was a spoken language long before it was a written one, so 'lazy' speech patterns have become enshrined in quite complicated grammatic rules - gets even more confusing with words beginning with G where the letter is dropped altogether (perhaps similar to a 'dropped aitch' in English - think of grammatical rules for a written form of a yorkshireman's "'E's fallen down an 'ole in't ground")

In reply to Ron Rees Davies:

Nay, lad, Yorkshire's dead easy....provided you were born 'ere