In reply to goose299:
> What would a wall do to West View's business though??
Well it might encourage them to get a decent route setter for the vertical wall sections. IMO, the routes set by Iain Vickers are good (I only lead up to 6a+), but the rest of the routes on the vertical walls are poorly set and appallingly graded, so I end up going to Manchester, or Kendal instead of the wall 2 miles away!
I always think that absolute beginners at Preston must wonder how the hell the grading system works and could get quite demoralised when they cannot get up a 4 or 4+ (which is actually more like a series of 6a+ boulder problems).