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My dear lord, I've heard it all now. This must be worth a resignation speech
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/606695/David-Cameron-dead-pig-privat...
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/606695/David-Cameron-dead-pig-privat...
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In reply to Oldsign:
I like this joke from the comments.
"Doctor, I think I'm turning into a pig."
"How long have you felt like this, Mr Cameron?"
"A weeeeeeeeeeeeek!"
I like this joke from the comments.
"Doctor, I think I'm turning into a pig."
"How long have you felt like this, Mr Cameron?"
"A weeeeeeeeeeeeek!"
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In reply to Oldsign:
I wonder if the pigs will think it worth investigating?
(apologies to any cops I've offended)
I wonder if the pigs will think it worth investigating?
(apologies to any cops I've offended)
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In reply to Oldsign:
The most shocking thing about all this is the revelation that somebody reads the Express!
The most shocking thing about all this is the revelation that somebody reads the Express!
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In reply to Oldsign:
And he smoked weed whilst listening to Supertramp, pretty normal for a student of that era.
And he smoked weed whilst listening to Supertramp, pretty normal for a student of that era.
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In reply to Oldsign:
And whilst we're at it
http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=NOWYNJTFsvs
And whilst we're at it
http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=NOWYNJTFsvs
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In reply to Moley:
>And he smoked weed whilst listening to Supertramp, pretty normal for a student of that era.
Supertramp, oh dear. No wonder he wants to keep quiet about it.
There are rumours that he did coke as well, but he has always taken a strong line when it comes to drug abuse.
>And he smoked weed whilst listening to Supertramp, pretty normal for a student of that era.
Supertramp, oh dear. No wonder he wants to keep quiet about it.
There are rumours that he did coke as well, but he has always taken a strong line when it comes to drug abuse.
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In reply to Oldsign:
Perhaps he misheard the phrase "get your snout in the trough Dave!"
What a shame, it couldn't have happened to a nicer chap.
jk
Perhaps he misheard the phrase "get your snout in the trough Dave!"
What a shame, it couldn't have happened to a nicer chap.
jk
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In reply to Oldsign:
I don't see what all the fuss is about - Kermit has been doing it for ages, and everyone still loves him.
I don't see what all the fuss is about - Kermit has been doing it for ages, and everyone still loves him.
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In reply to Oldsign:
And this is why the likes of us oiks will never become fully fledged oinks, like our masters.
And this is why the likes of us oiks will never become fully fledged oinks, like our masters.
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In reply to Oldsign:
... Brooker also added that the leader of the opposition now has some ammunition, saying: "I hope Jeremy Corbyn is going to read out questions from members of the public again this Wednesday."
http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/david-cameron-black-mirror-charlie-64850...
... Brooker also added that the leader of the opposition now has some ammunition, saying: "I hope Jeremy Corbyn is going to read out questions from members of the public again this Wednesday."
http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/david-cameron-black-mirror-charlie-64850...
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In reply to Oldsign:
Possibly my favourite tweet of the many
"I was simply carving my Sunday roast and fell, as did my trousers, and landed on top of the pig." #piggate
Possibly my favourite tweet of the many
"I was simply carving my Sunday roast and fell, as did my trousers, and landed on top of the pig." #piggate
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In reply to Moley:
You're bloody well right!
> And he smoked weed whilst listening to Supertramp, pretty normal for a student of that era.
You're bloody well right!
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In reply to Oldsign:
The creatures looked from man to pig and from pig to man, and it was impossible to tell which was which.
George Orwell, Animal Farm
(as quoted by Suzanne Moore in The Guardian today).
The creatures looked from man to pig and from pig to man, and it was impossible to tell which was which.
George Orwell, Animal Farm
(as quoted by Suzanne Moore in The Guardian today).
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In reply to Oldsign:
I understand Miliband was briefed in advance:
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02918/POTD_Miliband_baco_291811...
I understand Miliband was briefed in advance:
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02918/POTD_Miliband_baco_291811...
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In reply to Oldsign:
The Daily Mash, as it sometimes does, has slipped from satire to straightforward reportage. This is meant to be comedy, but it's not, it's merely truth: http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/britons-wearily-a...
The Daily Mash, as it sometimes does, has slipped from satire to straightforward reportage. This is meant to be comedy, but it's not, it's merely truth: http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/britons-wearily-a...
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In reply to deepsoup:
I wonder what would happen if you really pissed Ashcroft off. As opposed to not giving him a job.
I wonder what would happen if you really pissed Ashcroft off. As opposed to not giving him a job.
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In reply to KevinD:
No 10 says "This story is clearly a completely untrue, vicious, underhand attack. It is in fact a complete load of hogwash."
Meanwhile, the pig has threatened to sue anyone promoting the story while simultaneously, tearfully and contradictorily claiming that DC promised he would still love it in the morning, but never even phoned later, let alone sending some flowers.
No 10 says "This story is clearly a completely untrue, vicious, underhand attack. It is in fact a complete load of hogwash."
Meanwhile, the pig has threatened to sue anyone promoting the story while simultaneously, tearfully and contradictorily claiming that DC promised he would still love it in the morning, but never even phoned later, let alone sending some flowers.
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In reply to Moley:
I like the way he's trying to excuse the fact he listened to Supertramp by claiming to be stoned.
> And he smoked weed whilst listening to Supertramp, pretty normal for a student of that era.
I like the way he's trying to excuse the fact he listened to Supertramp by claiming to be stoned.
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In reply to Oldsign:
If any of the contents in the book were lies, wouldn't the PM want to sue?
Surely he'd want to hear somebody squeal for this?
youtube.com/watch?v=RFbWkL818XQ&
If any of the contents in the book were lies, wouldn't the PM want to sue?
Surely he'd want to hear somebody squeal for this?
youtube.com/watch?v=RFbWkL818XQ&
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In reply to Oldsign:
Dave Cameron always looked like he would breeze effortlessly in and out of No.10, but it now appears there's a twist in this tail.
Dave Cameron always looked like he would breeze effortlessly in and out of No.10, but it now appears there's a twist in this tail.
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In reply to toad:
For in depth analysis, listen to Prof. Brubaker from the Institute of Studies:
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/this-is-all-so-un...
CB
For in depth analysis, listen to Prof. Brubaker from the Institute of Studies:
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/this-is-all-so-un...
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In reply to The Lemming:
He can deny it, and also say that anything he did while as a student doesn't make any different to what kind of job he'd do in running the country?
> Awesome!
> How can Cameron not resign?
He can deny it, and also say that anything he did while as a student doesn't make any different to what kind of job he'd do in running the country?
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In reply to gethin_allen:
Oi, what's all this knocking Supertramp, they weren't that bad.
I'm off to my shed to sup my pint of ale and put my Supertramp vinyl on the deck.......such is age, I can reassure DC he has something to look forward to when he is no longer in office.
No pigs round here, but plenty of sexy little sheep!
Oi, what's all this knocking Supertramp, they weren't that bad.
I'm off to my shed to sup my pint of ale and put my Supertramp vinyl on the deck.......such is age, I can reassure DC he has something to look forward to when he is no longer in office.
No pigs round here, but plenty of sexy little sheep!
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In reply to The Lemming:
#piggate may not be a resigning matter unless he becomes a political liability.
If he lied about when he knew Ashcroft was a non-dom that's more of a resigning matter.
Ashcroft's tory support may have been pig in a poke but I did't realise dave had a poke in a pig.
> How can Cameron not resign?
#piggate may not be a resigning matter unless he becomes a political liability.
If he lied about when he knew Ashcroft was a non-dom that's more of a resigning matter.
Ashcroft's tory support may have been pig in a poke but I did't realise dave had a poke in a pig.
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In reply to KevinD:
He'd probably do what he usually does and write a boring whiney song about it then go around telling everyone how epic and genius it is.
> I wonder what would happen if you really pissed Ashcroft off.
He'd probably do what he usually does and write a boring whiney song about it then go around telling everyone how epic and genius it is.
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In reply to Oldsign:
Methinks he'll struggle both at home and on the international stage with everyone referring to him as Kermit from now on.
Methinks he'll struggle both at home and on the international stage with everyone referring to him as Kermit from now on.
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Just boaring,
Quit spamming the forum with it.
Quit spamming the forum with it.
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In reply to Moley:
Pint of hog goblin is it?
> I'm off to my shed to sup my pint of ale and put my Supertramp vinyl on the deck.......such is age, I can reassure DC he has something to look forward to when he is no longer in office.
Pint of hog goblin is it?
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In reply to Oldsign:
It's just a simple misunderstanding. Boris asked him if he fancied coming down the Boars Head.
It's just a simple misunderstanding. Boris asked him if he fancied coming down the Boars Head.
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In reply to Oldsign:
And what of possible future PMs , Chancellor of the Exchequer George Osborne and Mayor of London Boris Johnson.were they not part of the same litter?
And who of the 3 got the sloppy seconds helping ?
And what of possible future PMs , Chancellor of the Exchequer George Osborne and Mayor of London Boris Johnson.were they not part of the same litter?
And who of the 3 got the sloppy seconds helping ?
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In reply to Jim C:
Personally, I'd like to see them court something more exotic than a pig. A porcupine maybe?
> And what of possible future PMs , Chancellor of the Exchequer George Osborne and Mayor of London Boris Johnson...
Personally, I'd like to see them court something more exotic than a pig. A porcupine maybe?
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In reply to dek:
It's a porcine of the times when this sort of thing is bandied about in the media about our PM?
It's a porcine of the times when this sort of thing is bandied about in the media about our PM?
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In reply to Jim C:
Can't help wondering which "senior Tory MP" was in a position to spill the beans……..apparently not a cabinet minister, which rather narrows the field.
> And what of possible future PMs , Chancellor of the Exchequer George Osborne and Mayor of London Boris Johnson.were they not part of the same litter?
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Can't help wondering which "senior Tory MP" was in a position to spill the beans……..apparently not a cabinet minister, which rather narrows the field.
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In reply to Clauso:
Poor Dave, he just wanted a quick Sow Job?
> It's a porcine of the times when this sort of thing is bandied about in the media about our PM?
Poor Dave, he just wanted a quick Sow Job?
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In reply to dek:
Sounds like Jezzer's a bit jealous of Dave Cameron hogging the news
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/09/21/jeremy-corbyn-deletes-embarrassi...
Sounds like Jezzer's a bit jealous of Dave Cameron hogging the news
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/09/21/jeremy-corbyn-deletes-embarrassi...
In reply to Postmanpat:
Thats easy. Its the one who will be spending more time with their family come reselection time.
> apparently not a cabinet minister, which rather narrows the field.
Thats easy. Its the one who will be spending more time with their family come reselection time.
In reply to KevinD:
I think this one is impregnable
> Thats easy. Its the one who will be spending more time with their family come reselection time.
I think this one is impregnable
In reply to Postmanpat:
Did comrade Jeremy, tour East Germany, with Abbot riding his Hog, or was it a Chop-per...A sidecar must've been involved?!
> Sounds like Jezzer's a bit jealous of Dave Cameron hogging the news
Did comrade Jeremy, tour East Germany, with Abbot riding his Hog, or was it a Chop-per...A sidecar must've been involved?!
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In reply to ericinbristol:
Wouldn't it be fantastic if Corbyn instructed the entire shadow front bench to wear pigs head masks for the next session of PMQ's?
Wouldn't it be fantastic if Corbyn instructed the entire shadow front bench to wear pigs head masks for the next session of PMQ's?
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In reply to Clauso:
Well Corbyn's partial to some Ham-Ass, too...
> Wouldn't it be fantastic if Corbyn instructed the entire shadow front bench to wear pigs head masks for the next session of PMQ's?
Well Corbyn's partial to some Ham-Ass, too...
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In reply to elsewhere:
Joking aside though, who amongst us can honestly put our hand on our heart and swear that we've never indulged in a little beastiality prior to becoming PM?... I know that I have.
Joking aside though, who amongst us can honestly put our hand on our heart and swear that we've never indulged in a little beastiality prior to becoming PM?... I know that I have.
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In reply to Clauso:
Well we might find out when Osborne and Johnston go for the job, and will have to address that very question.
I do hope they don't tell any porkies.
> Joking aside though, who amongst us can honestly put our hand on our heart and swear that we've never indulged in a little beastiality prior to becoming PM?... I know that I have.
Well we might find out when Osborne and Johnston go for the job, and will have to address that very question.
I do hope they don't tell any porkies.
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In reply to Clauso:
Could be unfortunate if any have an open mouth.
> Wouldn't it be fantastic if Corbyn instructed the entire shadow front bench to wear pigs head masks for the next session of PMQ's?
Could be unfortunate if any have an open mouth.
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Share and Enjoy!
I think the whole thing is hilarious nonsense but I'm also amused to see the same sorts of people who are usually to be found chin-stroking and decrying the daily mail / Express as a muck raking organs of lies have jumped all over this like they are peer reviewed scientifically proven facts.
I just wish I was a fly on the wall the next time HamCam bumps into Ashcroft away from cameras and microphones.
I just wish I was a fly on the wall the next time HamCam bumps into Ashcroft away from cameras and microphones.
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In reply to Oldsign:
http://theleveller.org/2015/09/british-really-laughing/
Interesting piece - certainly not hogwash (or has that one been done?)
http://theleveller.org/2015/09/british-really-laughing/
Interesting piece - certainly not hogwash (or has that one been done?)
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In reply to Cú Chullain:
I am amused to see people confusing the serialisation of a book with the normal content of a paper.
Its almost as amusing as I havent come across anyone who outright thinks it is bollocks. Most seem to be tending towards unsure but wouldnt rule it out. Which is quite damning in itself really.
> I think the whole thing is hilarious nonsense but I'm also amused to see the same sorts of people who are usually to be found chin-stroking and decrying the daily mail / Express as a muck raking organs of lies have jumped all over this like they are peer reviewed scientifically proven facts.
I am amused to see people confusing the serialisation of a book with the normal content of a paper.
Its almost as amusing as I havent come across anyone who outright thinks it is bollocks. Most seem to be tending towards unsure but wouldnt rule it out. Which is quite damning in itself really.
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In reply to KevinD:
Which is quite damning in itself really.
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Damning of what: Dave, or the authors/DM?
Which is quite damning in itself really.
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Damning of what: Dave, or the authors/DM?
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In reply to KevinD:
Yes, but most people were quite prepared to convict Paul Gambaccini and Sir Cliff Richard, just on the basis of sensationalist leaks and elaborately staged theatrical police raids, when these investigations now seem to be either collapsing or running very expensively into the sands, with "evidence" largely being provided by mentally disturbed fantasists or in the case of Cameron, a rumour of a single "source" who is unknown and there "may" have been a case of mistaken identity. Similarly the supposed clear and obvious guilt of Sir Edward Heath seems to have evaporated into tales and tittle tattle. One can also think back to the vicious witch-hunt of the landlord in Bristol, tried, convicted and sentenced to hang by the "court of public opinion" for carrying out a foul crime, subsequently found to be guilty of nothing more serious than being a bit eccentric and having a lousy haircut.
We seem to have lurched from a situation where genuine victims were ignored and treated with disdain to one where a single, uncorroborated allegation is viewed as the equivalent of truth. This is not progress, nor is the level of outrage proportionate to the seriousness of the supposed offence, witness the very low key reporting of the Rotheram situation, thousands of children abused and mistreated in the most appalling fashion, yet largely buried a few months later.
A great deal of fun has been had by all, with some very funny porkine puns (and some dreadful ones), but we need to get back to remembering the principle of innocent until proven guilty and that you can't just believe something disgusting about your political opponents, just because they are your political opponents. Veering from refusing to believe a great many genuine victims of vicious child sexual exploitation because their stories conflict with political correctness or threaten "community cohesion" to treating the most tenuous allegation of wrongdoing as self-evidently proven, especially if it involves a celeb, is leaping from the frying pan to the fire.
> Its almost as amusing as I havent come across anyone who outright thinks it is bollocks. Most seem to be tending towards unsure but wouldnt rule it out. Which is quite damning in itself really.
Yes, but most people were quite prepared to convict Paul Gambaccini and Sir Cliff Richard, just on the basis of sensationalist leaks and elaborately staged theatrical police raids, when these investigations now seem to be either collapsing or running very expensively into the sands, with "evidence" largely being provided by mentally disturbed fantasists or in the case of Cameron, a rumour of a single "source" who is unknown and there "may" have been a case of mistaken identity. Similarly the supposed clear and obvious guilt of Sir Edward Heath seems to have evaporated into tales and tittle tattle. One can also think back to the vicious witch-hunt of the landlord in Bristol, tried, convicted and sentenced to hang by the "court of public opinion" for carrying out a foul crime, subsequently found to be guilty of nothing more serious than being a bit eccentric and having a lousy haircut.
We seem to have lurched from a situation where genuine victims were ignored and treated with disdain to one where a single, uncorroborated allegation is viewed as the equivalent of truth. This is not progress, nor is the level of outrage proportionate to the seriousness of the supposed offence, witness the very low key reporting of the Rotheram situation, thousands of children abused and mistreated in the most appalling fashion, yet largely buried a few months later.
A great deal of fun has been had by all, with some very funny porkine puns (and some dreadful ones), but we need to get back to remembering the principle of innocent until proven guilty and that you can't just believe something disgusting about your political opponents, just because they are your political opponents. Veering from refusing to believe a great many genuine victims of vicious child sexual exploitation because their stories conflict with political correctness or threaten "community cohesion" to treating the most tenuous allegation of wrongdoing as self-evidently proven, especially if it involves a celeb, is leaping from the frying pan to the fire.
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In reply to Simon4:
I don't think the principle of innocent until proven guilty really applies to politicians and the court of public opinion, and conflating Cameron's discomfiture with some of the more crass examples - the Bristol landlord, Lord McAlpine, even - Dear God - Cliff Richard - isn't helpful.
This is silly season, knockabout stuff, with an added frisson of a glimpse of the true nature of total sh*tes like Ashcroft - 'if you want to know what God thinks of people with money, look at the people he gave it too..' It has taken off because it's rude, quite funny, and there's an element that people think it does resonate with what they suspect sometimes goes on (and always have - what DID Isherwood and his mates get up to with that chicken back in the '30s? And, after all, no animals were hurt in the making (up?) of this story.
I don't think the principle of innocent until proven guilty really applies to politicians and the court of public opinion, and conflating Cameron's discomfiture with some of the more crass examples - the Bristol landlord, Lord McAlpine, even - Dear God - Cliff Richard - isn't helpful.
This is silly season, knockabout stuff, with an added frisson of a glimpse of the true nature of total sh*tes like Ashcroft - 'if you want to know what God thinks of people with money, look at the people he gave it too..' It has taken off because it's rude, quite funny, and there's an element that people think it does resonate with what they suspect sometimes goes on (and always have - what DID Isherwood and his mates get up to with that chicken back in the '30s? And, after all, no animals were hurt in the making (up?) of this story.
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In reply to Simon4 - would you have written that if the allegations were made against a Labour politician?
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In reply to gribble:
Not worth wasting his time on gutter press articles such as this.
Saying he did do this as some sort of initiation ceremony, whose business is it if it broke no laws?
Not worth wasting his time on gutter press articles such as this.
Saying he did do this as some sort of initiation ceremony, whose business is it if it broke no laws?
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In reply to radddogg:
"Responding to allegations about oral sex with a dead pig would be ‘undignified’, according to a man who once had oral sex with a dead pig." - Daily Mash!
Whose business? The electorate...?!
"Responding to allegations about oral sex with a dead pig would be ‘undignified’, according to a man who once had oral sex with a dead pig." - Daily Mash!
Whose business? The electorate...?!
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In reply to Oldsign:
However they try to play this one, his career as a respected politician viewed by the working man in the street is over, fair enough some peasant doing this, but the PM, not really Dave, you're a complete muppet. The thing about it all though is it was known about all the time by the relivant powers and still he got to PM. We really deserve better as a nation, much better.
However they try to play this one, his career as a respected politician viewed by the working man in the street is over, fair enough some peasant doing this, but the PM, not really Dave, you're a complete muppet. The thing about it all though is it was known about all the time by the relivant powers and still he got to PM. We really deserve better as a nation, much better.
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In reply to John Simpson:
Ah, if only. I refer you to the Daily Mash article referenced further up. He's behaved just like we expected him to behave. Life for the rest of us just moves on
> However they try to play this one, his career as a respected politician viewed by the working man in the street is over
Ah, if only. I refer you to the Daily Mash article referenced further up. He's behaved just like we expected him to behave. Life for the rest of us just moves on
In reply to Oldsign:
I think the main thing to take from this, if we didn't already know it, is what a nasty bastard Ashcroft is.
I couldn't give a shit if Cameron did it or not, but his discomfiture is amusing to behold.
I think the main thing to take from this, if we didn't already know it, is what a nasty bastard Ashcroft is.
I couldn't give a shit if Cameron did it or not, but his discomfiture is amusing to behold.
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In reply to Yanis Nayu:
Au contraire. Pigs have soft lips. Allegedly.
> I think the main thing to take from this, if we didn't already know it, is what a nasty bastard Ashcroft is.
> I couldn't give a shit if Cameron did it or not, but his discomfiture is amusing to behold.
Au contraire. Pigs have soft lips. Allegedly.
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In reply to Dave the Rave:
I suppose putting your nob in a dead pig's mouth is better than putting a dead pig's nob in your mouth.
I suppose putting your nob in a dead pig's mouth is better than putting a dead pig's nob in your mouth.
In reply to Oldsign:
And the award for most pig puns in a single article goes to:
http://the-orator.co.uk/2015/09/pig-gate/
And the award for most pig puns in a single article goes to:
http://the-orator.co.uk/2015/09/pig-gate/
In reply to Oldsign:
That article would have just that incy-wincy, tad more credibility if the author had managed to spell 'Osborne' correctly.
That article would have just that incy-wincy, tad more credibility if the author had managed to spell 'Osborne' correctly.
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In reply to Oldsign:
and with a more satirical edge:
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/cameron-took-part...
and with a more satirical edge:
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/cameron-took-part...
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In reply to Simon4:
You are sounding very much like a supporter of Hacked Off, I'm sure Christopher Jeffries (the Bristol landlord), Hugh Grant and Steve Coogan appreciate the support.
It's ironic though, because I clearly remember you saying that all the allegations against the Murdock press amounted to nothing and we're just a Guardianista plot.
> Yes, but most people were quite prepared to convict Paul Gambaccini and Sir Cliff Richard, just on the basis of sensationalist leaks and elaborately staged theatrical police raids, when these investigations now seem to be either collapsing or running very expensively into the sands, with "evidence" largely being provided by mentally disturbed fantasists or in the case of Cameron, a rumour of a single "source" who is unknown and there "may" have been a case of mistaken identity. Similarly the supposed clear and obvious guilt of Sir Edward Heath seems to have evaporated into tales and tittle tattle. One can also think back to the vicious witch-hunt of the landlord in Bristol, tried, convicted and sentenced to hang by the "court of public opinion" for carrying out a foul crime, subsequently found to be guilty of nothing more serious than being a bit eccentric and having a lousy haircut.
You are sounding very much like a supporter of Hacked Off, I'm sure Christopher Jeffries (the Bristol landlord), Hugh Grant and Steve Coogan appreciate the support.
It's ironic though, because I clearly remember you saying that all the allegations against the Murdock press amounted to nothing and we're just a Guardianista plot.
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In reply to Oldsign:
FWIW, I can't see this hurting Cameron much in the long run.
I doubt most people believe it but it resonates with people because it's the sort of ridiculous thing they imagine goes on in Oxford elite societies. Even if true, everyone knows it wasn't a sexual act.
At the end of the day, the fact he was part of the Bullingdon Club says an awful lot more about his character and attitude than this (still disgusting) act (if it happened). Yet that hasn't stopped him becoming PM.
FWIW, I can't see this hurting Cameron much in the long run.
I doubt most people believe it but it resonates with people because it's the sort of ridiculous thing they imagine goes on in Oxford elite societies. Even if true, everyone knows it wasn't a sexual act.
At the end of the day, the fact he was part of the Bullingdon Club says an awful lot more about his character and attitude than this (still disgusting) act (if it happened). Yet that hasn't stopped him becoming PM.
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In reply to FactorXXX:
I can't say I like the chap, but that's a rather good response. He goes up a little in my estimation.
I can't say I like the chap, but that's a rather good response. He goes up a little in my estimation.
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In reply to Simon4:
Are you on about the same story as the rest of us?
> Yes, but most people were quite prepared to convict Paul Gambaccini and Sir Cliff Richard...Veering from refusing to believe a great many genuine victims of vicious child sexual exploitation because their stories conflict with political correctness or threaten "community cohesion" to treating the most tenuous allegation of wrongdoing as self-evidently proven, especially if it involves a celeb, is leaping from the frying pan to the fire.
Are you on about the same story as the rest of us?
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In reply to Jon Stewart:
I wondered that. Not that I necessarily disagree with the sentiment; I just find the connection extremely tenuous.
> Are you on about the same story as the rest of us?
I wondered that. Not that I necessarily disagree with the sentiment; I just find the connection extremely tenuous.
In reply to Trevers:
Might even be handy for him that no one is talking about the cuts to tax credits that he promised weren't going to happen three months before they did. All that guff about supporting "hard working families", lying sack of shit.
Ho hum. Back to the fun. Some quality work from Jim'll Paint It: http://jimllpaintit.tumblr.com/image/129648230869
> FWIW, I can't see this hurting Cameron much in the long run.
Might even be handy for him that no one is talking about the cuts to tax credits that he promised weren't going to happen three months before they did. All that guff about supporting "hard working families", lying sack of shit.
Ho hum. Back to the fun. Some quality work from Jim'll Paint It: http://jimllpaintit.tumblr.com/image/129648230869
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In reply to radddogg:
It's not that he may or may not have interfered with a dead pig that's interesting (don't get me wrong, I'm still laughing typing this), it's the spotlight this shines on the power these people hold over each other for a lifetime and the corruption that can bring that's important.
You or I wouldn't get a job shuffling low-grade official memos around Whitehall if we had the slightest whiff of blackmail potential in our past yet we're seeing this blow up in the face of the PM. Who's business is it? Ours! Who's interests has he been serving and why?
jk
> Saying he did do this as some sort of initiation ceremony, whose business is it if it broke no laws?
It's not that he may or may not have interfered with a dead pig that's interesting (don't get me wrong, I'm still laughing typing this), it's the spotlight this shines on the power these people hold over each other for a lifetime and the corruption that can bring that's important.
You or I wouldn't get a job shuffling low-grade official memos around Whitehall if we had the slightest whiff of blackmail potential in our past yet we're seeing this blow up in the face of the PM. Who's business is it? Ours! Who's interests has he been serving and why?
jk
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In reply to Oldsign:
Piggy Purgatory. (With apologies to Jamie Lawson)
Me and my piggy mates
Being driven out the gates.
I wasn't expecting that.
Into the slaughter shed
A stun gun to my head
I wasn't expecting that.
Now in fear of my life
What are they doing with that knife?
I wasn't expecting that.
My life blood is slipping away.
I'm not having a good day
I wasn't expecting that.
They're sawing off my head
It's even worse than being dead
I wasn't expecting that.
What is to be my fate?
Laid out on a silver plate.
I wasn't expecting that.
It seems to be party time
Things are looking very fine.
I wasn't expecting that.
Here's that nice Cameron man.
What's that he's got in his hand?
I WASN'T EXPECTING THAT!
Piggy Purgatory. (With apologies to Jamie Lawson)
Me and my piggy mates
Being driven out the gates.
I wasn't expecting that.
Into the slaughter shed
A stun gun to my head
I wasn't expecting that.
Now in fear of my life
What are they doing with that knife?
I wasn't expecting that.
My life blood is slipping away.
I'm not having a good day
I wasn't expecting that.
They're sawing off my head
It's even worse than being dead
I wasn't expecting that.
What is to be my fate?
Laid out on a silver plate.
I wasn't expecting that.
It seems to be party time
Things are looking very fine.
I wasn't expecting that.
Here's that nice Cameron man.
What's that he's got in his hand?
I WASN'T EXPECTING THAT!
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In reply to pneame:
Don't forget he was happy to take Ashcroft's money in return for a seat in the lords. Neither had any qualms over the ethics of buying and selling access to government, they merely fell out over the details of the bargain.
> I can't say I like the chap, but that's a rather good response. He goes up a little in my estimation.
Don't forget he was happy to take Ashcroft's money in return for a seat in the lords. Neither had any qualms over the ethics of buying and selling access to government, they merely fell out over the details of the bargain.
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In reply to Chris the Tall:
It's a shame that this important point is getting lost behind the pig-f*cker image.
> Don't forget he was happy to take Ashcroft's money in return for a seat in the lords. Neither had any qualms over the ethics of buying and selling access to government, they merely fell out over the details of the bargain.
It's a shame that this important point is getting lost behind the pig-f*cker image.
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In reply to Graeme Alderson:
I doubt it. Among other reasons, that would prolong the story. The lack of outright denial isn't an admission of guilt in this instance.
I doubt it. Among other reasons, that would prolong the story. The lack of outright denial isn't an admission of guilt in this instance.
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In reply to Graeme Alderson:
That's not really true. The claim is that Ashcroft has been told that Cameron stuck his tackle in a pig's mouth. Ashcroft isn't saying Cameron did it, he's saying he was told Cameron did it.
> If it was untrue Cameron would be sueing
That's not really true. The claim is that Ashcroft has been told that Cameron stuck his tackle in a pig's mouth. Ashcroft isn't saying Cameron did it, he's saying he was told Cameron did it.
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In reply to Graeme Alderson:
It's a very old tactic - http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002579626
> If it was untrue Cameron would be sueing
It's a very old tactic - http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002579626
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In reply to Oldsign:
Saw this today which i find interesting and somewhat related http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/niamh-eastwood/david-cameron-drug-policy-pi...
Saw this today which i find interesting and somewhat related http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/niamh-eastwood/david-cameron-drug-policy-pi...
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In reply to deepsoup:
Yes but if both parents are working you are pretty much out of the criteria for WTC anyway, unless you're both on minimum wage and seeing as minimum wage will be going up substantially this won't be a problem for long.
This is my fundamental problem with Labour voters, they are all spend, spend, spend without thinking about where the money comes from. New Labour screwed the economy, Conservatives fixed it. While we continue to have a good economy I'll continue to vote tory.
Yes but if both parents are working you are pretty much out of the criteria for WTC anyway, unless you're both on minimum wage and seeing as minimum wage will be going up substantially this won't be a problem for long.
This is my fundamental problem with Labour voters, they are all spend, spend, spend without thinking about where the money comes from. New Labour screwed the economy, Conservatives fixed it. While we continue to have a good economy I'll continue to vote tory.
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In reply to radddogg:
My problem with people who make sweeping generalisations is that they're all totally unaware how wrong it makes them in every situation.
My problem with people who make sweeping generalisations is that they're all totally unaware how wrong it makes them in every situation.
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In reply to MonkeyPuzzle: Personally I've told such people a million times to stop exaggerating, but do they listen?
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In reply to radddogg:
You're staggeringly gullible.
> New Labour screwed the economy, Conservatives fixed it.
You're staggeringly gullible.
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In reply to Jon Stewart:
Ok I know it is more nuanced than that but it is undeniable that the economy is better now than when labour were in power. Go on deny it and back it up
Ok I know it is more nuanced than that but it is undeniable that the economy is better now than when labour were in power. Go on deny it and back it up
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In reply to radddogg:
Yeah! Screw the poor! What have the ever done for us? (Apart from supply suitability soft lipped pigs)
Almost everyone I know is worse off under this government
Yeah! Screw the poor! What have the ever done for us? (Apart from supply suitability soft lipped pigs)
Almost everyone I know is worse off under this government
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In reply to ebdon:
Don't put words into my mouth.
I've been made redundant recently so I'd say I fit into the poor category. This time it was due to mismanagement, last time I was made redundant it was because of the collapse of the house building industry - thanks Labour.
Don't put words into my mouth.
I've been made redundant recently so I'd say I fit into the poor category. This time it was due to mismanagement, last time I was made redundant it was because of the collapse of the house building industry - thanks Labour.
In reply to radddogg:
Correlation is not causation. You would actually expect any political measure to have a delayed effect on the economy, suggesting that improvements seen under a given government often mean that their predecessors did something right.
Case in point, the Merkel government in Germany reaping the rewards of Schroeder´s unpopular Agenda 2010 reforms.
In addition, changes in the global economic environment are going to affect any given national economy more rapidly and often more severely than national political interventions. I think it can be reasonably argued that the economic recovery in the UK occurred despite rather than because of the Tory austerity measures.
CB
Correlation is not causation. You would actually expect any political measure to have a delayed effect on the economy, suggesting that improvements seen under a given government often mean that their predecessors did something right.
Case in point, the Merkel government in Germany reaping the rewards of Schroeder´s unpopular Agenda 2010 reforms.
In addition, changes in the global economic environment are going to affect any given national economy more rapidly and often more severely than national political interventions. I think it can be reasonably argued that the economic recovery in the UK occurred despite rather than because of the Tory austerity measures.
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In reply to Jon Stewart:
So is your mum, she'd swallow anything, or so Paddy Ashdown told me...
> You're staggeringly gullible.
So is your mum, she'd swallow anything, or so Paddy Ashdown told me...
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In reply to cb294:
Exactly. Labour took over in 1997 and the economy was ok until 2003. Even if the decent economy in the first Tory term was due to labours good work in their second term, tough sh1t, they broke it.
> Correlation is not causation. You would actually expect any political measure to have a delayed effect on the economy, suggesting that improvements seen under a given government often mean that their predecessors did something right.
Exactly. Labour took over in 1997 and the economy was ok until 2003. Even if the decent economy in the first Tory term was due to labours good work in their second term, tough sh1t, they broke it.
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In reply to ebdon:
Measured how exactly ?
> Almost everyone I know is worse off under this government
Measured how exactly ?
In reply to radddogg:
I would argue that the financial crisis triggered by criminal banks especially in the US (but secondarily elsewhere including the UK) broke economies worldwide, and that Labour did a reasonable job dealing with the fallout.
Doesn´t mean they didn't fall for the light touch regulation, greed is good ideology before, but that is nothing the Tories would have done any differently.
CB
I would argue that the financial crisis triggered by criminal banks especially in the US (but secondarily elsewhere including the UK) broke economies worldwide, and that Labour did a reasonable job dealing with the fallout.
Doesn´t mean they didn't fall for the light touch regulation, greed is good ideology before, but that is nothing the Tories would have done any differently.
CB
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In reply to radddogg:
See figure 2 in link below.
Labour failed to put enough in the piggy bank when the going was good, but I don't see much reason to believe they made a ham of the economy.
This doesn't make it look like the Tories have done a particularly great job of helping people bring home the bacon, either:
http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/elmr/gdp-and-the-labour-market/q1-2014--may-g...
See figure 2 in link below.
Labour failed to put enough in the piggy bank when the going was good, but I don't see much reason to believe they made a ham of the economy.
This doesn't make it look like the Tories have done a particularly great job of helping people bring home the bacon, either:
http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/elmr/gdp-and-the-labour-market/q1-2014--may-g...
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In reply to Jon Stewart:
It's a tribute to the efforts of Murdock and Rothermere!
> You're staggeringly gullible.
It's a tribute to the efforts of Murdock and Rothermere!
In reply to The New NickB:
Of course labour can't use the press can they, oh poor labour, the victims, again....
So what was this thread about again? Oh yeah, a tabloid smear on the Tory leader. How ironic.
Of course labour can't use the press can they, oh poor labour, the victims, again....
So what was this thread about again? Oh yeah, a tabloid smear on the Tory leader. How ironic.
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In reply to radddogg:
Actually its about the serialisation of a book by a major tory donor who got in a sulk about not getting enough bang for his buck.
Close though.
> Oh yeah, a tabloid smear on the Tory leader. How ironic.
Actually its about the serialisation of a book by a major tory donor who got in a sulk about not getting enough bang for his buck.
Close though.
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In reply to radddogg:
Are Michael Ashcroft, Isobel Oakshott and the Daily Mail working for Labour, now you have got a serious exclusive there!
> Of course labour can't use the press can they, oh poor labour, the victims, again....
> So what was this thread about again? Oh yeah, a tabloid smear on the Tory leader. How ironic.
Are Michael Ashcroft, Isobel Oakshott and the Daily Mail working for Labour, now you have got a serious exclusive there!
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In reply to KevinD:
Funny I thought the hashtag #piggate was trending but it must have been porkies
> Actually its about the serialisation of a book by a major tory donor who got in a sulk about not getting enough bang for his buck.
> Close though.
Funny I thought the hashtag #piggate was trending but it must have been porkies
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In reply to radddogg:
What point when Labour was in power? Over what period? Anyone could cherry pick a measure to "prove" that their side was responsible for higher growth. None of the comparisons are reliable because the conditions are different for each period you choose. It is a bullshitters game.
It is not government spending, nor in fact government policy generally that is responsible for the economic cycle, although it has an influence of debatable proportions. The relevant question regarding the 2008 crash is whether it would have been better or worse with a different government in power at the time. My view is that if the Tories had been in for the previous decade, then there would probably have been greater deregulation and the level of dodge/dishonesty/recklessness in the banking sector would probably have been even higher, so the crash might have been even more catastrophic; that there wouldn't have been the same level of investment in public services for the previous decade; that they would also have had to bail out the banks; but that they wouldn't have frittered away so much in the final period once recession hit. Would we be better or worse off under those policies? Who can say. I think our schools and hospitals would be a lot shitter now, and that's important to me. The deficit might now be lower, which is less so.
So which part am I wrong about here? And back it up.
> Ok I know it is more nuanced than that but it is undeniable that the economy is better now than when labour were in power. Go on deny it and back it up
What point when Labour was in power? Over what period? Anyone could cherry pick a measure to "prove" that their side was responsible for higher growth. None of the comparisons are reliable because the conditions are different for each period you choose. It is a bullshitters game.
It is not government spending, nor in fact government policy generally that is responsible for the economic cycle, although it has an influence of debatable proportions. The relevant question regarding the 2008 crash is whether it would have been better or worse with a different government in power at the time. My view is that if the Tories had been in for the previous decade, then there would probably have been greater deregulation and the level of dodge/dishonesty/recklessness in the banking sector would probably have been even higher, so the crash might have been even more catastrophic; that there wouldn't have been the same level of investment in public services for the previous decade; that they would also have had to bail out the banks; but that they wouldn't have frittered away so much in the final period once recession hit. Would we be better or worse off under those policies? Who can say. I think our schools and hospitals would be a lot shitter now, and that's important to me. The deficit might now be lower, which is less so.
So which part am I wrong about here? And back it up.
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In reply to radddogg:
That is a factual statement, but what relevance does it have to the discussion and particularly my limited contribution to the discussion?
> The Express is a tabloid
That is a factual statement, but what relevance does it have to the discussion and particularly my limited contribution to the discussion?
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In reply to Jon Stewart:
Ok lets cut the bullsh*t then.
The only empirical measure that can't be faked is the result of the last two elections.
Ok lets cut the bullsh*t then.
The only empirical measure that can't be faked is the result of the last two elections.
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In reply to radddogg:
I'm not sure that's true, and I can't see the relevance. In 2010, the Tories got 36% of the vote and 37% in 2015. So there isn't a national consensus on their economic policies, if that was your point?
> The only empirical measure that can't be faked is the result of the last two elections.
I'm not sure that's true, and I can't see the relevance. In 2010, the Tories got 36% of the vote and 37% in 2015. So there isn't a national consensus on their economic policies, if that was your point?
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In reply to radddogg:
Do you see politics as a sport then? You only care about your side winning?
> The only empirical measure that can't be faked is the result of the last two elections.
Do you see politics as a sport then? You only care about your side winning?
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In reply to radddogg:
You do realise the express isnt the source of the allegations dont you?
> The bit where you said this thread wasn't about a tabloid smear
You do realise the express isnt the source of the allegations dont you?
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In reply to The New NickB:
I feel a bit sorry she was given a poorly spelt first name, but her surname came down through the generations.
> ... Isobel Oakshott ....
I feel a bit sorry she was given a poorly spelt first name, but her surname came down through the generations.
In reply to radddogg:
a) I don't believe I made that claim;
b) the source is a book by Ashcroft and Oakeshott;
c) serialised in the Mail not the Express; and
d) my comment regarding Murdock and Rothermere had nothing to do with smears, it had everything to do with you buying their narrative.
> The bit where you said this thread wasn't about a tabloid smear
a) I don't believe I made that claim;
b) the source is a book by Ashcroft and Oakeshott;
c) serialised in the Mail not the Express; and
d) my comment regarding Murdock and Rothermere had nothing to do with smears, it had everything to do with you buying their narrative.
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In reply to Jon Stewart:
Yes but it wasn't a two house race. The labour percentage was considerably lower. The point being it doesn't matter what an individual believes, it's the belief of the consensus. The beauty of the free vote.
Yes but it wasn't a two house race. The labour percentage was considerably lower. The point being it doesn't matter what an individual believes, it's the belief of the consensus. The beauty of the free vote.
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In reply to radddogg:
1. You are ignoring current events
2. When during labours tenure?
> Ok I know it is more nuanced than that but it is undeniable that the economy is better now than when labour were in power. Go on deny it and back it up
1. You are ignoring current events
2. When during labours tenure?
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In reply to Oldsign:
Typical human behaviour.
The government are doing the same thing to all of us and yet one dead pig gets screwed and the country is up in arms!!
Typical human behaviour.
The government are doing the same thing to all of us and yet one dead pig gets screwed and the country is up in arms!!
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In reply to mgco3:
So true, millions of African's dies in wars, from aids, malaria etc... not a peep.... one lion gets shot... global outrage. There is nowt so queer as folk. It's the power of the press.
> Typical human behaviour.
> The government are doing the same thing to all of us and yet one dead pig gets screwed and the country is up in arms!!
> The government are doing the same thing to all of us and yet one dead pig gets screwed and the country is up in arms!!
So true, millions of African's dies in wars, from aids, malaria etc... not a peep.... one lion gets shot... global outrage. There is nowt so queer as folk. It's the power of the press.
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In reply to Yanis Nayu:
I've seen some very dodgy looking Pork Scratchings!
As the old saying goes"The only thing wasted from a pig is the squeal"
> I suppose putting your nob in a dead pig's mouth is better than putting a dead pig's nob in your mouth.
I've seen some very dodgy looking Pork Scratchings!
As the old saying goes"The only thing wasted from a pig is the squeal"
In reply to radddogg:
I'd like to see one of those
" Number 33 Canal Street is hanging on in the lead, but coming up fast on the outside is the semi detached from Acacia Gardens, Bide a Wee"
> Yes but it wasn't a two house race.
I'd like to see one of those
" Number 33 Canal Street is hanging on in the lead, but coming up fast on the outside is the semi detached from Acacia Gardens, Bide a Wee"
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In reply to Simon4:
Really, do you seriously think Ascroft would have written this if it was not 100% true , and he could not possibly be sued for it. Cameron knows it's true thats why he has not denied it . (as any innocent person would do)
Really, do you seriously think Ascroft would have written this if it was not 100% true , and he could not possibly be sued for it. Cameron knows it's true thats why he has not denied it . (as any innocent person would do)
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In reply to Oldsign:
The opposition should exploit this story to the Max.
Every time Cameron gets up to speak in parliament he should me met by a rousing chorus of , "Oink, oink, oink"!
The opposition should exploit this story to the Max.
Every time Cameron gets up to speak in parliament he should me met by a rousing chorus of , "Oink, oink, oink"!
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In reply to Jim C:
His coauthor Isabel Oakeshott has been on interviewed to the effect that "this is what we were told" and the text of the book apparently only says "a Tory MP says". If the co-author won't confirm she believes it too be 100% true why do you think Ashcroft knows it to be 100% true. Cameron therefore can't sue and anyway, what's the point? It'll just give the story legs.
Anyway, so what? "Pissed student in stupid prank, shock, horror".
The stuff about Cameron's lack of any real political beliefs is much more damning.
> Really, do you seriously think Ascroft would have written this if it was not 100% true , and he could not possibly be sued for it. Cameron knows it's true thats why he has not denied it . (as any innocent person would do)
His coauthor Isabel Oakeshott has been on interviewed to the effect that "this is what we were told" and the text of the book apparently only says "a Tory MP says". If the co-author won't confirm she believes it too be 100% true why do you think Ashcroft knows it to be 100% true. Cameron therefore can't sue and anyway, what's the point? It'll just give the story legs.
Anyway, so what? "Pissed student in stupid prank, shock, horror".
The stuff about Cameron's lack of any real political beliefs is much more damning.
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In reply to Jim C:
Statements made in a good faith and reasonable belief that they were true are not defamatory.
There is a difference between saying "he put his knob in a pigs mouth" and "I believe he put his knob in a pigs mouth".
Ashdown is pretty much admitting that it is a load of bollox as he is hiding behind "a friend".
> Really, do you seriously think Ascroft would have written this if it was not 100% true , and he could not possibly be sued for it. Cameron knows it's true thats why he has not denied it . (as any innocent person would do)
Statements made in a good faith and reasonable belief that they were true are not defamatory.
There is a difference between saying "he put his knob in a pigs mouth" and "I believe he put his knob in a pigs mouth".
Ashdown is pretty much admitting that it is a load of bollox as he is hiding behind "a friend".
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In reply to The New NickB:
CBA to scroll up and reread. Will just assume your point was bogus. OKTHXBYE xxx
CBA to scroll up and reread. Will just assume your point was bogus. OKTHXBYE xxx
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In reply to radddogg:
Doesn't surprise me!
> CBA to scroll up and reread. Will just assume your point was bogus.
Doesn't surprise me!
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In reply to Jim C:
An innocent PM probably wouldn't though. Ignore it now and it's gone in a month save for the occasional snigger. Deny it then pursue what is basically a 'yes you did', 'no I didn't' trial of credibility through the courts and his career will be defined by it. The clips of him standing up on TV saying 'I did not interfere with that pig' will haunt him forever like Clinton and his (albeit false) denials.
jk
> Cameron knows it's true thats why he has not denied it . (as any innocent person would do)
An innocent PM probably wouldn't though. Ignore it now and it's gone in a month save for the occasional snigger. Deny it then pursue what is basically a 'yes you did', 'no I didn't' trial of credibility through the courts and his career will be defined by it. The clips of him standing up on TV saying 'I did not interfere with that pig' will haunt him forever like Clinton and his (albeit false) denials.
jk
In reply to jkarran:
Boris would have 'fessed up by now. "Well what chap hasn't at one time or another been caught somewhat copulus fellatius inflagranti with an alluringly accommodating porcine?"
Boris would have 'fessed up by now. "Well what chap hasn't at one time or another been caught somewhat copulus fellatius inflagranti with an alluringly accommodating porcine?"
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In reply to radddogg:
The Daily Mash are so right; we're the ones who should be embarrassed not Davey C. He can be all 'look I did this with a dead pig and you lot don't even give a toss', while we're 'yeah well, it's a bit weird but it's not really a problem, as long as they keep laying waste to the country because they're right, we can't afford to spend money on anything at all any more'.
The Daily Mash are so right; we're the ones who should be embarrassed not Davey C. He can be all 'look I did this with a dead pig and you lot don't even give a toss', while we're 'yeah well, it's a bit weird but it's not really a problem, as long as they keep laying waste to the country because they're right, we can't afford to spend money on anything at all any more'.
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In reply to Oldsign:
I found this, it sounds like another "tory" initiation :-
"Pederasty.
Considered a rite of passage in ancient Greece, this practice involved the publicly sanctioned relationship between an older man and a younger boy. Many historians believe it coincided with the beginning of a young male’s military career."
I don't know about ancient Greece, sound more like Eton or Harrow to me..
I found this, it sounds like another "tory" initiation :-
"Pederasty.
Considered a rite of passage in ancient Greece, this practice involved the publicly sanctioned relationship between an older man and a younger boy. Many historians believe it coincided with the beginning of a young male’s military career."
I don't know about ancient Greece, sound more like Eton or Harrow to me..
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In reply to Oldsign:
Innocent until proven guilty. Judging by the initiation/hazing rituals I've heard of from Eton, Kings, and Harrow, it's quite believable though.
Innocent until proven guilty. Judging by the initiation/hazing rituals I've heard of from Eton, Kings, and Harrow, it's quite believable though.
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