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emmadotb123 03 Dec 2015
Hi there,

I'm in my third year of a Primary teaching degree. My specialism is PE and my dissertation must focus on Outdoor Education. As part of our dissertation we must attend a residential in The Lake District to experience the outdoors as the children we will teach would do so. Due to a knee injury I'll be embarking on this trip on crutches in a splint.

For those of you who have worked with children who have any form of disability, how did you find accessing it? How was it for you? I'll be completing an Ethnography as my dissertation of the trip in the eyes of someone who cannot do the same things as my peers.

Any questions I could ask instructors or anything you can answer would be wonderful in helping me construct this dissertation.

Kind regards,

Emma.
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 duchessofmalfi 03 Dec 2015
In reply to emmadotb123:

I couldn't understand what you wanted! I'll give you a few examples:

"For those of you who have worked with children who have any form of disability, how did you find accessing it?"

- hold on, aren't you the one with the disability? do you mean to be asking about kids/clients with disabilities?

- what does "accessing it" mean, do you mean accessing kids with disability? getting disabled access to the outdoors? this is really unclear!

- "How was it for you?", how was what? being disabled? working with disabled kids? going outdoors?

"I'll be completing an Ethnography as my dissertation of the trip in the eyes of someone who cannot do the same things as my peers."

Now you appear to be back talking about yourself rather than kids/clients or the outdoors. Everyone has something they can't do. And if you write your dissertation up in the style of your request I suspect that crutches are going to be the least of your problems.

So, to answer what I think is your question. I have a disability that limits my ability to work in the outdoors and I have worked with kids who have disabilities that affect their mental and physical relationship with sport, climbing and the outdoors.

My disability definitely affects practical aspects of my relationship with the outdoors and depending on how things wax and wane I move between feeling unaffected and as capable I would without my disability to complete despair unable get out at all. Despite this my love for being outdoors remains undiminished and I do as much as I can. So you're in the beautiful Lake District on crutches, you lucky bastard - that is so much better than being stuck in (insert present location not in the Lakes) on crutches.

As for working with kids/clients with disabilities - everyone's different right? The outdoors is great for everyone, some will become top alpinists, some will stroll the valleys, some will climb E10 and some will drink tea. You naturally adapt what you do for the people you are responsible for to let them get the best out of it. If you choose to disadvantage someone by not doing this you've failed, be that insisting on a 20 mile hike for "able-bodied" x-box lardies or failing to research access difficulties for someone in a wheelchair.

Sport in the outdoors is about personal challenges, what you can make of yourself without reference to others, that is accessible to everyone.

Don't forget - it's very pretty.
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 John Ww 03 Dec 2015
In reply to emmadotb123:

Pardon?

JW
emmadotb123 03 Dec 2015
In reply to duchessofmalfi:

Hiya, sorry I haven't been clear.

I don't feel able to call myself disabled with a temporary injury so it's hard to phrase.

Because this is a Primary Degree I need to relate to how children with SEN may find outdoor education and how accessible that education may be.

I have never done this before, I just need a little advice on how to approach it and what questions to ask in relation to the subject.

It will be a personal account yes, but in my literature review it will be based on readings aimed at children, so I need to find the balance.


 Robin Woodward 03 Dec 2015
In reply to emmadotb123:

Hi Emma, although I don't necessarily agree with the tone of the responses so far, I do agree with the sentiment, and sadly I don't think your second post has quite cleared up what you're after.

I have not completed a teaching degree, but I have written and helped with several dissertations, and I haven't taught less-abled children in a classroom setting, but I have taught them both sports and music, so I don't expect my advice to be spot on, but hopefully it's relevant.

Firstly, I wouldn't shy away from referring to yourself as temporarily less able. From a physical point of view, this is probably fairly similar to the experience of permanently less able adult, which is in turn (but not in the same way) fairly similar to the physical experience of a permanently less able child. As long as you acknowledge both of these differences, I think you're on safe ground. From a mental/psychological perspective, the similarity will be slightly weaker, but I'm sure you can draw on moderately educated speculation with regards to the long term as opposed to short term psychological differences/attitudes. Again, as long as you acknowledge this and the differences of an average child's outlook to your own, I don't think there's a problem. What might be interesting would be to consider any differences in the attitudes of others in knowing your less-abled state is short term, and whether this is positive or negative (and hence whether this mindset should be encouraged or discouraged).

Secondly, were I (with the caveats above) doing a dissertation based on this experience, I would probably go down the lines of reflecting on my experience along the lines of the following:
-How it made me feel being less-abled
-What particularly I found difficult (remembering this will be fairly specific to your condition) physically
-What particularly I found difficult (slightly less specific to your condition) psychologically
-How did I find how other people treated me made me feel
-What I think could have improved the above/lessons learned
-Apply this to both the classroom and school trips

Also, I'm not sure whether it's more worthwhile trying to relate this to permanently less able children, or temporarily less-abled children. I think both are valid, however as with all of this, it might be worth consulting your supervisor on their thoughts.

The above aside, It's still very unclear what you are after in terms of questions. Are you trying to get people to suggest things for you to investigate specifically? Or have I misunderstood and you aim to ask the people running the outdoor aspect to your tip how they change their mindset/procedures when working with less able children/how they have done so for you?

If 'accessibility of education' is specifically the way you want to word it (although to me this seems a bit buzz-wordy and might change your aim subtly, and possibly not for the better - again I haven't completed your degree and don't know what you've been taught), I guess you need to make two links to do this, a) the link of the benefits to outdoor pursuits as part of a rounded education (and how it can help with more academic/mainstream educational activities) and b) how accessibility relates in this case (whether you're thinking of physical, psychological or both, and how this relates to inclusivity).

Anyway, I'm sure people will be happy to try and help and offer suggestions (you might even find someone who's worth pursuing a more in-depth discussion with), but they will tend to be a bit negative until they are on your wavelength (as with the internet in general).

Good luck!
 Jenny Dart 03 Dec 2015
In reply to emmadotb123:

I too am slightly confused by what you want...
I'm a Speech and Language Therapist and an Outdoor Instructor so have experience working with SEN/LD children/adults in a variety of settings. I would say (typically!) consider your communication and of course the actual physical accessibility of activities.
Have you considered going and observing an outdoor ed session with SEN/LD children? Then you may have more of an idea of the barriers faced and how the instructors facilitate the sessions/remove these barriers.
Unsure where you are based but the Calvert Trust would be a great place to start...
 Timmd 03 Dec 2015
In reply to emmadotb123:
Ignore any shortness/grumpiness on here.

Are you basically wanting to know what it could be like as a disabled child taking part in outdoor PE by (as far as possible) putting yourself in the place of a disabled child, while asking the instructors questions too, and wondering what kinds of things you should be asking about to make the most of your trip?

Are you allowed to ask the children things too?
Post edited at 22:56
 flour 04 Dec 2015
In reply to Timmd:

Exactly what I thought.

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