2 pitches.

Rockfax Description
A fine top pitch which gives VS climbing in an amazing position.
1) The old first pitch is loose and vegetated. Use one of the new sport pitches to gain the break. Creamsnatcher leaves you at a belay below the break. The first section of Four Thousand is slightly easier.
2) 4c, 20m. Trend up and left to the break. Follow this leftwards to gain the hanging groove. Ascend this on superb holds in an amazing position. The most exposed VS at Stoney. © Rockfax

P.Nunn , M.Richardson 8.1.65 08/Jan/1965

Steve Vincent 03/Sep 2nd
Sarah Brookes 28/Aug 2nd O/S
Russ 28/Aug Lead
steven24584 ?/Aug Lead G/U
Rob84 18/Jun 2nd O/S
with Ben Wolstenholme, Rob Adie
adie84 ??/2015 -
Phill Mitch 27/Apr/14 AltLd rpt
with bleggs
Martin Haworth 16/Feb/14 AltLd O/S

Pitch 1 Creamsnatcher, pitch 2 Evasor. Very worthwhile combination.

Brannock 16/Feb/14 2nd rpt

After Creamsnatcher.

admackie 21/Jan/14 Lead
marconi 21/Jan/14 2nd
Hidden ??/2014 -
Robin Nichols 06/Oct/13 2nd O/S
Roget 06/Oct/13 Lead O/S
with robin
madasten 21/Sep/13 Lead

Dirty, slimy, snappy first 10 meters of the first pitch are made up for by the next 10 meters of pleasant climbing. Second pitch is simply amazing - interesting climbing on great holds in an astounding position! Unexpectedly, I'd say it's slightly easy for VS but a brill route to take Rick up for his first ever limestone trad!

with Rick
Hidden 11/Aug/13 2nd O/S
Brannock 17/Feb/13 -

Only second pitch, did Creamsnatcher as alternative first pitch, interesting link up. Great pitch.

Hidden 17/Feb/13 2nd O/S
Wayne S 09/Sep/12 Lead O/S


with Gary
g1m147 09/Sep/12 Lead

Led top pitch. Brilliant!

with Wayne s
cem 02/Sep/12 2nd rpt

A repeat ascent although it felt like climbing it for the first time since neither of us could remember anything about the previous occasion (March 2001). Great second pitch - pity about the encroaching bolt - & p1 isn't that bad really...

Hidden 30/Jul/12 AltLd O/S
catblack 25/Jul/12 AltLd O/S

Amazing position for a VS

masa-alpin 17/Jun/12 2nd dog

Fell off near the top when a hand hold with the size of 2 fists came off. A fantastic exposure with a good climb in P2. P1 is dirty and insecure (due to mud), but worth doing for the sake of P2!

with Lee P
marcoleptic 23/Apr/12 Lead O/S
biobuild 23/Apr/12 2nd O/S
thebigfriendlymoose ??/2012 Lead O/S
with Stephen
cballard ??/2012 -
victim of mathematics 22/Aug/11 AltLd O/S

Led P2. The first pitch is rubbish, with poor gear and plenty of dust. The second pitch, however, more than makes up for it. Good climbing in a stupendous position.

with Adam
adam carless 22/Aug/11 AltLd O/S

led the crap pitch. Wow it's everything I hate about limestone: loose, no decent line, muddy & dusty, gear placements which are either terrible or chewed out, rotten biology all over the place. Must admit the second pitch is pretty good though.

MikeDowsett 03/Aug/11 2nd
TonyF 03/Aug/11 Lead
Brian Rodgers 20/Jul/11 2nd O/S
Hidden 20/Jul/11 Lead O/S
Hidden 08/Jul/11 Lead O/S
bigdrew 25/Jun/11 AltLd O/S

L P2, Great moves on massive holds and a great position

with Mark R
mark20 25/Jun/11 AltLd O/S

Led P1

Hidden 02/May/11 Lead
smudge 22/Mar/11 Lead rpt

The second pitch is worth 3 stars, and I think it is one of the best limestone VS's in the Peak. The first pitch is now clean and pretty free from vegetation. There is the odd loose hold which can be avoided as there are plenty of good jugs. Although it is a bit run out on the first pitch, the climbing is straightforward.

with Phil
Phil1967 22/Mar/11 2nd rpt

Still my favourite VS in the Peak!

with Dan
Hidden ??/2011 Lead O/S
Graeme Hammond 18/Jul/10 Lead rpt

abseiled in avoiding the first pitch this time

with Jim
Hidden 23/Jun/10 Lead
Ketu 05/Jun/10 AltLd O/S

Lead second pitch

migs493 05/Jun/10 AltLd O/S

Tom led first pitch. Cracking tom pitch. The traverse feels very exposed.

with Tom
tommo1664 05/Jun/10 AltLd O/S
with mike smith
Hidden 04/Jun/10 AltLd O/S
Graeme Hammond 04/Jun/10 AltLd O/S

Good 2nd pitch, which would probably be a 3 star route on its own but unfortunately let down the 1st pitch (which I led) which is as rubbish and as sparsely protected as the guide suggests, though at least 'most' of the rock is clean and fairly solid and the climbing isn't too hard between the uninspiring runners. (possibly cleaned in the recent Stoney clean up?) Maybe better approached by abseil or via Pendulum?

with Rob
Hidden ??/2010 -
daveclarke5 04/Oct/09 Lead
with Andy
Jim Slater 18/Jul/09 AltLd O/S

Led P2 - outstanding pitch.

with Tim Pearson, Phil Lee
Hidden 03/May/09 Lead O/S
Sankey 18/Apr/09 Lead O/S
with Luke
Andrew Sloan 17/Apr/09 AltLd rpt

Horrible, poorly protected and scarey first pitch. The second pitch is one of the best VS pitches in the country, but careful with your ropework or you'll end up with serious ropedrag.

with Steve Grove
Hidden 19/Oct/08 AltLd rpt
Hidden 19/Oct/08 AltLd rpt
MeMeMe 20/Jul/08 AltLd O/S
with Andy
Pilch 15/Jul/08 Lead O/S

Had my eye on this for a while and what a fantastic route. Thanks to the guys who have cleaned up pitch one. Go and climb it before it falls down.

with Ed
EdShep 15/Jul/08 2nd O/S
with Pilch
Hidden 21/Jun/08 Lead O/S
Hardonicus 06/Jun/08 Lead rpt
Hidden 02/Jun/08 AltLd O/S
Phil1967 15/May/08 Lead O/S

Brilliant, fabulous, superb. Don't worry about the first pitch the second makes up for it in so many ways. Doesn't even have the full Stoney Pollish - A Classic

with Dan
smudge 15/May/08 2nd O/S

First pitch cleaned, no longer a forest. The holds are no longer buried so it's now a lot easier (but a bit runout).

with Phil
daveagriff ??/2008 2nd
Al Evans ??/2008 -
Hidden ??/2008 -
Stig 22/May/07 AltLd O/S

Led P1.

with Charlie Reade-Jahn
tom.e 07/Feb/07 Lead O/S
roberto18 03/Feb/07 AltLd
with Dad (Mike Bridges)
Mr Powly ?/Feb/07 2nd
with tom.e, George Evans
Si dH 08/Oct/06 AltLd O/S

Led top pitch - very good. However, first pitch is currently a nightmare of dust and soil covering sometimes-loose rock holds interspersed with sections of vertical grass and mud. Whether or not the second pitch is worth the effort will depend on your ability ot put up with this, but it is very good.

with Neil Furniss
Hidden 09/Jun/06 AltLd
Hidden 09/Jun/06 AltLd
Stone Muppet ??/2005 -
Phill Mitch ??/2004 Lead O/S
with john d
Gman ?/Jul/03 AltLd O/S
with Carl
colin milton ?/Jun/01 AltLd
with eric milton
cem 11/Mar/01 2nd
with Graham Dolman, Miles Butteriss
kristian ??/2000 AltLd O/S
with paul taylor
marcoleptic ??/2000 Lead O/S
with Ben, Pete
nickcanute ??/2000 Lead O/S
Hidden ??/1999 Lead
99bolivar ??/1999 2nd
with John Hutchinson
Chris Ellis 17/Aug/97 Lead
with Louise Pellett
Hidden 05/Jul/93 Lead
Budge ?/May/92 AltLd O/S
with Brian Ottewell
Hidden 05/Oct/91 Lead O/S
leathers 22/May/91 AltLd
with Ron Caves
AndrewP ??/1990 AltLd
steve prior ?/May/89 Lead
with Rob W
Gary Coggon 27/Feb/88 2nd O/S

Lead by Roger James

Chris Wright 28/Nov/86 Lead
Hidden ??/1986 -
Hidden 01/Aug/85 AltLd
babymoac 06/May/85 Lead
with MTW
neilh 04/Nov/84 Lead
with dave croker
Hidden 05/Feb/84 AltLd
Andy Say 08/May/83 Lead O/S
charlesmfrench 20/Mar/83 AltLd O/S


John Marsland 30/Jun/82 AltLd
with Ian Stopforth
Ian Jones ??/1981 -
with Rich Lewis, Dave Greenald, Paul Mitchell, Derek Hersey
uphillnow 10/Feb/80 Lead
Bulls Crack ??/1980 AltLd O/S
with RW
mitch1960 ??/1980 Lead
tapley 11/Aug/79 Lead
with Alison Tapley
Hidden 04/Mar/79 Lead
Hidden 09/Apr/78 2nd
Nigel Bond 07/Jul/77 Lead
with Tony Cuddy
beaumap ?/Jul/77 Lead
with Bernie Green
Rob Davies ?/May/76 Lead
with Janet Cochrane (CUMC)
Dave Musgrove 28/Jul/74 AltLd
Dave Westby ??/1972 Lead O/S
with Phil Caley
Hidden 27/Apr/69 Lead
Users with this climb on their wishlist are:
Andrew Turner, Dan Lane, Hidden
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