Neanderthal 5c

Rockfax Description
Still a bit loose but better since rebolting and seeing a bit more traffic. If you split it the pitch grades are 4, 5. © ROCKFAX

UKC Logbook Description
Another massively loose outing up the wall to the right of the cave. This area was heavily worked at the beginning of 2010 - take extra care.

FA. Michael Hunt, Jane Livingstone 2000
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This climb is in 156 logbooks, and on 2 wishlists.

Lead first pitch only
David Robinson - AltLd - 08/Aug/15 with Steve Vincent

Hidden - Lead O/S - 25/Jul/15

alijam42 - 2nd - 25/Jul/15 with Jonathan Phillips

Would give top section a 6a. Still loose in places. Nice climb overall. First sports multi-pitch I've done.
Stoff - AltLd O/S - 09/Jul/15 with Andrew

beagle-ears - AltLd - 27/Jun/15 with potnoodle13

second pitch seems a bit tough for a 5
potnoodle13 - AltLd - 27/Jun/15 with Hextoon, beagle-ears

multi pitch with Mark and Marie. only the first ascent
Hextoon - TR - 27/Jun/15 with Mark, Marie

Hidden - Lead - 06/Jun/15

potnoodle13 - Lead O/S - 05/Apr/15 with beagle-ears

beagle-ears - AltLd - 05/Apr/15 with potnoodle13

sbattams - Lead - 22/Mar/15 with sarah davies

First pitch only as first outside lead climb
rumblesan - AltLd O/S - 22/Mar/15

first multipitch sport route.
Bisto15 - Lead O/S - 17/Mar/15

Jlewis01 - AltLd O/S - 07/Mar/15

Jkpoyner - Lead rpt - 07/Mar/15

DavidPC - AltLd - Mar/15 with Jamie Lilley

P2 was wet and muddy!!
Paul Hy - AltLd rpt - 21/Feb/15 with Steph P

sbattams - Lead - 25/Jan/15 with sarah davies

Paul Hy - Lead O/S - 24/Sep/14 with Lee W, Andy S

andy.smythe - Lead - 24/Sep/14

Tom Keaveny - Lead O/S - 21/Sep/14 with Jacob

1st pitch only
gsavell - AltLd dog - 14/Sep/14 with Sarah Knight

Chris Manasseh - Lead - 14/Sep/14 with Alice Mason

Mr Spoons - Lead - 16/Aug/14 with Chris Parker

Hidden - Lead O/S - 07/Aug/14

First Multipitch lead the first pitch
meltdown34 - AltLd O/S - 16/Jul/14

Maybe I did something wrong, but I thought that the start of the second pitch was much harder than a 5. Climbed as a single pitch with a 60m rope, which turned out to be exactly the right length.
cragsman9000 - Lead O/S - 10/Jul/14 with Neil

Second pitch had a really hard move for a 5+, Picked this easy route due to injury, so hard to bypass the 6a move.
bob_cbr - TR O/S - 06/Jul/14 with cragsman9000

cteakle - TR - 28/Jun/14

Liamg20025 - AltLd O/S - 11/Jun/14

MD - Lead O/S - 03/May/14 with Jo

Happy Wanderer - Lead O/S - 03/May/14 with Mike D

LauraC567 - 2nd O/S - 03/May/14 with Chris Bedford

Lovelace1967 - 2nd O/S - 23/Apr/14 with Mike Thornewill

jennamsmile - AltLd - 16/Apr/14 with Tom Gallant

robinmuzette - Lead O/S - 16/Apr/14 with Ashley Dukart

Hidden - Lead - 17/Mar/14

Hidden - Lead O/S - 14/Mar/14

Hidden - 09/Mar/14

Dkoi - Lead O/S - 09/Mar/14 with Dominic, Mark Barnard

trish1968 - 2nd dnf - 08/Mar/14 with Nick Bennett

Hidden - Lead - 08/Mar/14

Retro Rowan - Lead O/S - 02/Mar/14 with alexcollins123

georgenvk - Lead O/S - 29/Dec/13

grivers86 - Lead β - 29/Dec/13 with Darren Davis

ianjdodd - AltLd O/S - 10/Dec/13 with Jon Allen

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 10/Dec/13

Anne Gumbley - Lead - 10/Nov/13 with Sandra Lee, Mark Fairbank

Multi pitch, great climb
Erynsmum - 2nd O/S - 25/Sep/13 with Mike & Fiona

First pitch only
Nij - 2nd dnf - 21/Sep/13

ianjdodd - AltLd O/S - 29/Aug/13 with Gethyn Ap John

Hidden - TR O/S - 29/Aug/13

not loose anymore, first multipitch
meetballuk - Lead O/S - 25/Aug/13

An okay climb. I lead both pitches with my brave belayer not complaining as I was only bolting every other bolt to build up some courage!
daviemj - Lead O/S - 17/Aug/13 with Marion S

Lead whilst instructing a group of military climbers.
Ash_Johnson - Lead O/S - 09/Aug/13

split into two pitches
sbattams - Lead - 03/Aug/13 with sarah davies

Sarah Davies - 2nd - 03/Aug/13 with sbattams

Hidden - 06/Jul/13

Hidden - Lead O/S - 05/Jul/13

MaccMark - Lead - 08/May/13 with Clare Hodgson

Awkward belay stance if you are splitting the 2 pitches. If you're not splitting make sure you take a really long rope! One tricky move between the 1st and 2nd bolt after on the 2nd pitch.
kk_cheung - Lead - 06/May/13 with Mike Bottom

gdev31 - 2nd O/S - 28/Apr/13 with Loz Owen

daveeverin - Lead - 20/Apr/13 with Matt Elliott

first half only
danieltuck - Lead O/S - 13/Apr/13 with Sarah

Great tall exciting route. awesome overhang after the half way point. ran out of QD's on the last third had to miss every other bolt. FYI take more than 12!
danieltuck - Lead O/S - 07/Apr/13 with Sarah

theone - 02/Apr/13 with Joey Walker

Only did the first pitch due to rope length. Nice warm up
tomhawking - TR β - 13/Mar/13

Hidden - Lead - 16/Feb/13

first pitch only
gazzij - 2013

Anne Gumbley - TR - 16/Dec/12 with Harry Middleton, Mark Fairbank

Danbow73 - Lead RP - 27/Oct/12

Rich Swift - Lead O/S - 25/Jul/12

Yeknom - Lead O/S - Jul/12

andy jennings - AltLd O/S - 06/May/12 with Momber

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 06/May/12

Matt Shepherd - Lead - 05/May/12

papashango - Lead - Jan/12

al_robinson76 - Lead O/S - 19/Aug/11 with Pete, Lid, Jim, James Robinson, Emma Robinson

First pitch only. Didn't seem as loose as many have suggested.
the_liquorice_man - Lead O/S - 07/Aug/11 with Jack Drake

First pitch only. Loose rock falling whilst belaying Matt, only small amounts and easily dodgeable. Fairly simple, one tricky move.
Jackwd - Lead β - 07/Aug/11 with Matt Bark

Matt led P1 but couldn't commit to the move at start of P2 so I came up and led P2. One move wonder. Bit chossy and doesn't deserve a star. Wouldn't recommend it at all.
valentinesbabe - AltLd O/S - 31/Jul/11 with Matt Jones

Grrrr. Horrid climb. Too wimpy to do the second pitch so Agela led it. Grrrr again!
Matt Bill Platypus - Lead O/S - 31/Jul/11 with Angela

robblowen - AltLd O/S - 30/Jul/11 with jason pinder

New shinny bolts all the way, a bit dusty from cleaning but not overly loose. Top section possibly hard for 5+ now but lower half right at the grade. Just possible to do in one and reach the ground on a 60.
Somerset swede basher - Lead O/S - 19/Jun/11 with George Taylor

GF - Lead - 08/May/11

Hidden - Lead - Mar/11

First pitch only, very loose.
robblowen - 2nd β - 19/Nov/10 with jason pinder

first pitch only, very loose
rednip120372 - Lead - 19/Nov/10 with robblowen

First pitch only - 2nd pitch appears to have bolts chopped and rockfall now. Also a couple of large holds came off in my hand on the first pitch. Beware....
Babika - 2nd dog - 06/Nov/10 with Kiwi Pete

Only did the first pitch
M0untainM0nkey - Lead O/S - 30/Oct/10 with Nathan James

rosieposey14 - AltLd - 17/Oct/10 with mark challoner

GarethHall - Lead O/S - 04/Sep/10 with Teck

Hidden - Lead O/S - 10/Jul/10

padski - Apr/10

nickcanute - Lead - 2010

Lead 2nd pitch, alex lead 1st. Cramped belays with a party of four. Really loose on the second pitch, considerably worse then Trog. But again, testing holds leads to an unaltered root.
lrandall - AltLd O/S - 17/Oct/09 with Ross, Flo, Alex

Jimbo C - AltLd O/S - 04/Oct/09 with Gethin

jimbo did the first pitch and i did the second.
gethin_allen - AltLd O/S - 04/Oct/09 with Jimbo C

Barry D - AltLd - 15/Sep/09 with Paul J

SteWatkins - Lead - Sep/09

Only did the first pitch. Pleasant climb.
agagsgrot - Lead O/S - 29/Aug/09 with Thomas

Panda - Lead - 22/Aug/09

urbanmonkey - Lead O/S - 02/Aug/09 with Bea

bvilsue - 02/Aug/09 with Simon

ebastock - 2nd - 28/Jun/09 with Dan Ashfield

Ben HW - Lead β - 29/May/09 with Stephen Sweeney

Rokmunky - Lead O/S - 25/May/09 with Hannah

nick ferro - 24/May/09

Me P2.
hellboundblr - AltLd - 26/Apr/09 with Adrian Goldstraw

Oceanic - 13/Apr/09

Hidden - Lead O/S - 05/Apr/09

asmith37 - Lead O/S - 04/Apr/09 with Dave Rose

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 04/Apr/09

my first attempt at multi-pitch climbing, enjoyable! though frustrating lol
sonic46 - 2nd dnf - Apr/09

howlingbaboon - Lead O/S - 07/Mar/09

baconphat - AltLd O/S - 28/Feb/09 with Tadams

Tadams - Lead O/S - 28/Feb/09 with Eddie Garside

ndraper1 - Lead - Jan/09

Hidden - 2nd - 2009

Derek Furze - Lead - 2009

Ade7 - Lead O/S - 01/Nov/08 with Lisa

stemill - AltLd O/S - 26/Oct/08 with Jeff

jeffb - AltLd O/S - 26/Oct/08 with stemill

Hidden - Lead - 22/Oct/08

1st pitc only. Better than the climb immediately to the left, and quite enjoyable. Better rock, and a nice position. Good fun.
nr - Lead O/S - 14/Sep/08 with Solcambs

Again rather easy ... a little loose .. but betetr than climb to the left by a long way!
Solcambs - Lead O/S - 14/Sep/08 with Neil Ronketti

climbingxcat - Lead - 27/Aug/08 with Brian

Hidden - Lead O/S - 22/Jul/08

budoghost - Lead O/S - 22/Jul/08

Hidden - Lead - Jul/08

crazy pierre - 2nd O/S - Mar/08 with Robin Heath

Calder - AltLd O/S - 23/Feb/08 with Mark

WillCass - Lead O/S - 2008 with Whitey

tontopink - Lead - 03/Sep/07

Completed first pitch, then lowered off.
Stuart Hurworth - Lead dnf - Sep/07 with Marcus Levens

Hidden - 2nd - Sep/07

Hidden - Lead rpt - 20/Aug/07

1st pitch safe enough, but 2nd is very loose. Some large boulders just waiting to break away on the left, and lots of smaller, crumbly stuff on the right. Stopped through fear of killing my second ;)
AsleepOnBelay - Lead dnf - 11/Aug/07 with Sarah Davis

Hidden - Lead - 11/Aug/07

Hidden - Lead O/S - 11/Jun/07

went back in jun 10 and its fallen down!
nathanlee - 2nd β - 18/May/07

Hidden - AltLd - 20/Apr/07

Hidden - Lead rpt - 13/Jan/07

Roget - Lead O/S - 15/Oct/06 with jon

First multi-pitch lead
Rebecca Buckenham - AltLd O/S - 15/Aug/06 with Andre

Hidden - Lead dnf - 27/May/06

Matt injured foot in rock fall
david the bear - Lead O/S - 20/May/06 with Matt S

Probably the worst route I have ever done. Ever.
victim of mathematics - 2nd O/S - 08/Apr/06 with Sophie Whyte

Hidden - Lead O/S - 2006

DerwentDiluted - Lead - Sep/05 with Nicola Pettit

John Eley - AltLd O/S - Aug/05 with Stephen Graham

Piss easy but falling down as you climb. Don't bother.
AndyH1710 - AltLd dnf - Mar/05 with Danny C

Allan Young - Lead O/S - 22/Aug/04 with Megan Stanley

Hidden - Lead β - 12/Aug/04

Hidden - Lead - 11/Jan/03

Hidden - Lead O/S - Apr/02

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