Mad Dogs and Englishmen*** E3 5c
[The Mad Dogs and Englishmen area of Two Tier Buttress, Chee Dale, 4 kb]28m. A fine and devious route which is one of the best of its grade in the Peak. Very sustained, though with a harder move to reach the roof. Climb a flake to a peg. Step across left to another flake then pull up with difficulty (peg above) to below the roof. Pull over to gain a bucket then tiptoe right across the slab. Climb direct to the top and a dirty exit. A 7c sport route was added close to Mad Dogs changing the character of this route so much that the bolts were removed. © ROCKFAX
FA. Brian Moore, J.Ballard (aid) 1969. FFA. Gabriel Reagan, Al Evans 1976

Ticklists: Rockfax Peak Limestone Top 50, World Graded List, Peak Rock/13/The Limestone Revolution, Ultimate E3 ticklist.

Photo: The Mad Dogs and Englishmen area of Two Tier Buttress, Chee Dale © ROCKFAX
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This climb is in 88 logbooks, and on 12 wishlists.

Hidden - Lead O/S - 14/Aug/14

When I led this I thought the second move was significantly harder than the first, but to second it they felt about the same - both 5c
Alex@home - 2nd rpt - 14/Aug/14 with Tony Moody

Belayed Rach on it first but placed my own kit. Fun but not a top 50 in my opinion? A few tricky moves, mainly the sections moving across the slabs/walls. Felt pretty ok for E3. Line in Peak Lime may be slightly wrong but its pretty obvious where you go. At the top we climbed right hand side of groove.
Duncan Campbell - Lead β - 28/Jul/14 with Rach

Rachel Slater - Lead O/S - 28/Jul/14 with Duncan Campbell

Hidden - Lead - 14/Jun/14

Ian Broome - Lead O/S - 21/Jul/13 with Chris

every bit as good as the description suggests. move from 1st flake to 2nd is 5c, but move from 2nd flake to the roof is definite crux. felt harder than crux of the beest so i'm going to say 6a
Alex@home - Lead O/S - 08/Jul/13 with leon

I don't normally log seconds but this thing was amazing. It keeps coming at you like the hang over from the whaley dad's climbing xmas do. Increasingly hard moves until established under the roof.
leon - 2nd O/S - 08/Jul/13 with Alex

Brown - Lead - 29/Jun/13 with Lily

Simon Davis - Lead O/S - Jun/13 with Tim P And Jamie V

Speeddemonsi - Lead O/S - 12/Aug/12

Hidden - Lead O/S - 04/Aug/12

Fell off looking for the bucket :( really enjoyed the route tho. Hard for me both mentally and technically. New rockfax guidebook line at the roof is wrong.
Si dH - Lead dog - 29/Jul/12 with Chris Foster

Luke Brooks - Lead O/S - 28/May/12

Hidden - Lead O/S - 26/May/12

Hidden - Lead O/S - 25/Mar/12

Hidden - Lead O/S - 25/Mar/12

Hidden - 2012

Had a bit of a spazz attack at the first roof and decided I wasn't enjoying myself. Will return.
drysori - Lead dnf - 04/Sep/11 with Jon L

Hidden - Lead O/S - 27/Aug/11

nic42 - 2nd dog - 27/Aug/11 with mike, Jack

Hidden - Lead O/S - 25/Aug/11

gregoritos - Lead rpt - 23/Jul/11

Hidden - Lead O/S - 11/Jun/11

Is it just me, or did anyone else spend an entire hour standing around committing to the crux? :( The guidebook says 'no specific crux'... errr, not really the case when a point is reached where blind footholds the size of a 1p coin have to be utilised in combination with one handed, two finger crimps!! Bloody brilliant experience throughout though. The roof is a blast :)
Cragrat Rich - Lead O/S - 11/Jun/11

Hidden - Lead O/S - 24/Apr/11

Hidden - 2nd - 24/Apr/11

greenclimb - Lead O/S - 07/Aug/10

Hidden - Lead O/S - 12/Jun/10

Hidden - 2nd - 04/May/10

Hidden - Lead O/S - 04/May/10

Got scared and grabbed the draw on the peg ahving rocked up out right below the after an hour of umming and aring. Subsequently tried this move again on second and fell of and found that I ahd to rock left not right. Difficult orute finding and also poor route reading and very poor bravery all to blame.
mattyork2 - Lead dnf - 25/Apr/10 with Grant Brewer

Hidden - Lead - 25/Apr/10

Seymore Butt - 2010

Unsustained. VHard move getting established under the roof. Undoubtedly 1 6a move on it. Still E3 though.
Dave Warburton - Lead O/S - 16/Aug/09 with Franco Cookson

gregoritos - Lead O/S - 05/Aug/09 with james

Failed to lead, failed to second. Undoubtedly at least two 6a moves on it but hard going all the way.
Stig - 2nd dog - 05/Aug/09 with Greg

jamesturnbull - Lead - 2008 with aiden

nige - Lead - 07/Apr/07 with sven rowan

robyn1 - 2007

Dave Bond - Lead O/S - 14/Jul/06 with Tim Banton

Hidden - Jul/06

Ram MkiV - Lead O/S - 17/Jun/06 with Alex

again mostly on steves gear, good route didnt feel the 3* awesomeness i was expecting, friable rock aswell. me and steve both had different sequences for both cruxes and the move up to the roof felt 6a/b tough little move.
Alex Mason - Lead O/S - 17/Jun/06 with Steve Ramsden

Tom Briggs - Jagged Globe - 2005

Hidden - 2003

Hidden - Lead - 2000

tuftynick - Lead O/S - 2000 with ciaran troup

mikedelderfield - Lead O/S - 10/Aug/97 with Steven Delderfield

ste_d - 2nd O/S - 10/Aug/97 with mik

ChrisJD - Lead - Jun/97 with rc

David Smith - 2nd - 1996

ian caton - Lead O/S - Oct/95 with Andy

Dave Musgrove - Lead O/S - 02/Aug/92 with Lyn

Hidden - Lead - 24/Jun/92

Rich Kirby - Lead O/S - 15/Jun/92 with Bruce woodley

DDDD - Lead O/S - 1992 with Richard Newey

craig d - 1992

Roget - Lead O/S - 01/Sep/91 with JT

Hidden - Lead O/S - Jun/91

sadams - 2nd - May/91 with Kev Mellieu

Bulls Crack - Lead O/S - 1991 with AM

Hidden - 1990

Hidden - Lead O/S - 1990

Hidden - Lead - Sep/89

Hidden - Jun/89

phardman - Lead O/S - 07/May/89 with Bill McKee

Hidden - 1989

Mike Owen - 21/May/88 with Tim Lowe

Hidden - Lead - 15/May/88

Hidden - Lead - 14/May/88

steve L - Lead - 01/May/88 with Alan Dance, Alun Richardson

charlesmfrench - Lead O/S - 17/Apr/88

Neil R - 2nd - 1988 with Ian

Billg - Lead O/S - 02/Aug/87 with Nigel Slater

bullybones - Lead - 1987

sadams - Lead - 31/Jul/86 with Kevin Edwards

Hidden - Lead - 25/May/86

shark - Lead O/S - 23/May/86 with Dolly

Hidden - Lead O/S - May/85

andy gittins - 1985

Ivan Machin - 13/Oct/82 with Jon Mellor

Hidden - Lead - Jun/82

Hidden - Lead - 1982

Hidden - Lead - 1982

redjerry - Lead O/S - Jun/80 with Roy Williamson

Mark Kemball - Lead - 10/May/80 with John Jefferies

Hidden - Lead β - May/80

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