Letterbox Wall / Hangover Combo*** E1 5b
[Letterbox Wall / Hangover Combo E1 5b, 2 kb]20m.

Rockfax Description
The combination of the best of two lines gives a technical and exhilarating climb not to be missed. Start at a blank wall with a hand-ledge at head height. Make a hard move to get established on the hand-ledge from where some stretchy moves gain a jug and then the horizontal break. Climb the leftward trending line of overhanging flakes above (good spike-runners) to a final heave over the last bulge to easier ground. © ROCKFAX

UKC Logbook Description
A much straighter line than either of the originals, brilliant climbing too. Start up letterbox wall and enter right slanting crack (consider a bouldering mat) to the break. Continue steeply, on large holds, until a tricky reach to top out. Bolder and harder than it used to be due to flakes breaking off though still excellent.

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Photo: Letterbox Wall / Hangover Combo E1 5b © paul webb
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This climb is in 233 logbooks, and on 10 wishlists.

Graham Westbrook - Lead O/S - 20/Sep/15 with Mark Jackson

mjackson - 2nd - 20/Sep/15 with Graham Westbrook

Tom Seccombe - Lead rpt - 08/Sep/15 with tj murry

miriamclaire - 2nd dog - 29/Aug/15

Crevisking - TR dog - 18/Aug/15 with Steve Hastings

Crevisking - TR dog - 18/Aug/15 with Steve Hastings

One for a the lead once I'm fit again.
Phil79 - TR dog - 18/Aug/15 with Crevisking, Steve H

Couldn't do the reachy move at the top!
Master Chief - 2nd dnf - 17/Aug/15 with John Spear

Spearos - Lead O/S - 17/Aug/15 with Master Chief

Andy Moles - 2nd - 06/Aug/15 with Ferdia

ferdia - Lead O/S - 06/Aug/15 with Andy

LRob - Lead O/S - 01/Aug/15

Hidden - Lead β - Aug/15

NickJH - 2nd - 31/Jul/15 with Andy Dunhill

tomwright1509 - Lead O/S - 20/Jul/15

Tried to go too direct then got seduced by the jugs of Don't Stop Now. Didn't manage that either and gave the tourists a right show effing and blinding. Next time.
Bob Peters - Lead dnf - 19/Jul/15

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 10/Jul/15

Tom Seccombe - Lead rpt - 08/Jul/15 with Dan Potheridge

Ian Jones - 2nd O/S - 03/Jul/15 with Robert Durran (aka 'Big Bob')

cdpuk - Lead O/S - 27/Jun/15 with Pete Randall, Sebastian Fisher-Greene

daviesp2 - 2nd - 20/Jun/15

Fell on the crux then got educated by matt. Managed 2nd go.
islandlynx - Lead G/U - 20/Jun/15 with matthew beals

Retro flash as I'd seconded it a couple of years ago. Led it clean in a oner, on Shane's gear.
Matt77 - Lead RP - 20/Jun/15 with Shane

Hidden - 19/Jun/15

Said I would do it on lead last year and finally got round to doing it. A really nice varied climb with some really nice moves, shame I didn't lead first time.
chrismadar - Lead rpt - 17/Jun/15 with Andrew Wright, Bradley Gram-Hansen

Couldn't get the reachy move at the top.
annep11 - Lead dnf - 08/Jun/15 with Nick Bryan

great direct route. Start took a few attempts to figure out, but wasn't too bad once I'd decided which foot to step up on. Top section is brilliant well protected jug hauling. (tie down the sling to the cams in the break to stop it lifting off the spike.) *** and low in the grade, perhaps even HVS 5b?
JamieSparkes - Lead O/S - 07/Jun/15 with Claire Holland

Sam Simpson - Lead O/S - 28/May/15 with Ally Hurst

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 28/May/15

John Tanner - Lead O/S - 13/May/15 with Gareth, Derwood Brooks

Hidden - Lead rpt - 11/Feb/15

DredStripe - Lead dog - 17/Jan/15 with Tom

kingholmesy - Lead O/S - 2015 with Colin

nickstephens - 2nd O/S - 30/Dec/14 with Alex choo-choo-arse Moore, Jordon

mikespooner - Lead O/S - 06/Dec/14 with Luke von Freeden, Josh Bamsey

Hidden - 2nd - Dec/14

supersouthward - 30/Nov/14

dbrooks - Lead β - 30/Nov/14 with gidmord, Gareth

First E2 smashhh! Great route
matt_read - Lead β - 30/Nov/14 with Jack Southwood

gidmord - 2nd β - 30/Nov/14 with dbrooks

LDJ - Lead - 01/Oct/14 with Tom

In cheap Decathlon trainers, surprised I managed to dog my up as far as I did! (up to the top wall)
andrewmcleod - TR dnf - 17/Sep/14

Lee_Meaden - Lead O/S - 09/Sep/14 with Justin Hill

5210Hill - Lead RP - 09/Sep/14 with lee Meaden

A great climb that had me climbing upto the big flake jug and back down to the break for a rest several times and till i realised that you use the two small crimps to move through the top section as the flake jug/s to the left are no more!Worth E2 5c for the bottom half alone.
jon_gill1 - Lead O/S - 24/Aug/14 with Geoff Hannis, rosie hawker, ross garfoot

For Me the crux was the lower wall, top was a little pokey and first try tried going up and left but was quite obvious this wasn't the way to go so down climbed to the knee bar to warm hands up before powering through on the holds more to the right.
Quarryboy - Lead O/S - 24/Aug/14 with Alkis Tsapanidis

Hidden - Lead - 09/Aug/14

Hidden - 03/Aug/14

Hidden - Lead RP - 25/Jul/14

Hidden - Solo O/S - 19/Jul/14

RobScarisbrick - TR dog - 19/Jul/14

Climbed @ 2degrees meet (who was belayer?) Struggled on top section & went slightly right towards Don't Stop Now.
EcoClimber - Lead β - 17/Jul/14

Great route. Had s bit of disco leg at the top of the over hang and had gone a little to the right onto small crimps. Defo staying left next time!
snook - Lead β - 12/Jul/14 with stephen ashworth

KDSclimber - AltLd dnf - 12/Jul/14 with Richard

Great route - one I will come back to.
EcoClimber - AltLd dnf - 12/Jul/14 with Kieran Dougherty Smith

Ewan Russell - 2nd O/S - 10/Jul/14 with Tom Nichols

Jack Geldard - UKC Chief Editor - Solo O/S - 07/Jul/14

Joe Costello - Lead O/S - 05/Jul/14

snook - 2nd β - 02/Jul/14 with chris weight

Rested on gear after getting pumped thinking too much about the crux move, other than that wasn't too hard. Should go next time!
chrisweight - Lead dog - 02/Jul/14 with Alex Cox

just couldn't hack the crux took 3 falls, then seconded tim.
peter.ravenscroft27 - Lead dnf - 01/Jul/14 with Tim Exley

Hidden - Lead dnf - 30/Jun/14

Hidden - TR - 30/Jun/14

first proper E1, such a nice line!
stalbot93 - Lead RP - 22/Jun/14

Hidden - TR dog - 22/Jun/14

Hidden - TR dnf - 22/Jun/14

HardmanJ - TR - 22/Jun/14

Hidden - TR O/S - 18/Jun/14

Hidden - Lead O/S - 16/Jun/14

Hidden - 2nd - 16/Jun/14

missed the final crimps the first time, slapped up better the second and pulled up, beautiful climb!
Angus Taylor - 2nd dog - 15/Jun/14 with Dan Boast

First ever E grade climb. Great fun and didn't take a fall. Will be back to get on lead.
chrismadar - 2nd β - 15/Jun/14

Hidden - 2nd dog - 14/Jun/14

Hidden - Lead dog - 14/Jun/14

danboast - Lead dog - 13/Jun/14

Hidden - TR - 26/May/14

Climbed up and down about 4 times to work out the final bit, rested on gear, then did it. Looking at the topo might have been useful beforehand!
Martin Bagshaw - Lead dog - 04/May/14 with Ian Pegg

I had to down climb from the top section to rest in the break before finally finding the correct sequence
dobby 200 - Lead O/S - 19/Apr/14 with Ros

Super varied for a twelve metre route. Hard mantle, tough move to the jug then a reach top section. Ace
James Oswald - Lead O/S - 14/Apr/14 with lex

Great route, big jugs, one stiff pull at the end.
LJC - Lead O/S - 30/Mar/14 with Theo

Good climb, mantel shelf is not easily won with delicate footwork and balance required, steady climb to break then it's time to get the guns out, had to rest on crux as arms were pump, will climb it properly. One day
adam84 - 2nd dog - 26/Mar/14 with darren swift

Jackislav - Lead O/S - 23/Mar/14

Alextreme - TR dog - 12/Mar/14

Top roped to collect wayne's pro, this is an awesome climb has a bit of everything, some delicate foot work, a hand jam, a crimp, big jugs and flakes, traverse and an overhang, can you ask any more of a 12 metre climb? Was pretty pumped at overhang, Can't wait to complete and lead one day
adam84 - TR dnf - 01/Mar/14 with wayne killerstein

ali macphee - TR - 08/Dec/13 with lukerathmell

Hidden - Lead dog - 06/Oct/13

cathymiller - 2nd - 06/Oct/13 with Mike Peak

Hidden - 2nd RP - 05/Oct/13

Repeat. Harder with all the flakes breaking off and a sketchy finish. E2 5c?
Sean Kelly - TR - 26/Aug/13 with Harry Pearce

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 10/Aug/13

Hidden - 2nd dog - 02/Aug/13

Hidden - Lead dog - 02/Aug/13

Brilliant climbing, done both original routes, very good climbing
tim exley - 2nd β - 23/Jul/13 with will hornby

Hidden - 2nd dnf - 21/Jul/13

tomwheeler - Lead - 19/Jul/13 with Perm

jonlord - 2nd O/S - Jul/13

andrea83 - TR RP - 30/Jun/13 with Andy

monkeytennis - TR RP - 30/Jun/13 with andrea83

First lead on Dartmoor. Really nice route with a bit of everything. Great starting moves, good gear and an interesting top out.
R2B - Lead O/S - 05/Jun/13 with Justin

Hidden - 2nd dog - 04/Jun/13

Hidden - 2nd - 02/Jun/13

danJBA - Lead dog - 30/May/13 with James Hoar

Mike Goldthorp - Solo O/S - 30/May/13 with Rose Hall

metal arms - Lead O/S - 25/May/13

Luxulyan - Lead O/S - 18/May/13 with Dan S

great route, first E1 onsight. very windy (which made the first half interesting) and cold (which made feeling holds on the second half interesting). After a bit of placing gear and down-climbing to rest in the break it went.
Jack J Keogan - Lead O/S - 15/May/13 with Ewan Davies

Still think its E1, but top end, great climb.
Mr Tickle - Lead O/S - 01/May/13 with Briony

Great climb with an amazing and pumpy finish!
BrionyMartin - 2nd O/S - 01/May/13 with Luke

Right windy!
Owen W-G - Lead O/S - 29/Apr/13 with Preston Matt

Was so windy and cold that I couldn't feel my hands which meant I sort of wussed out!
Matt77 - 2nd dog - 29/Apr/13 with Owen

Motown - Lead O/S - 27/Apr/13 with Jo Day

Nick Biven - 2013

willhornby - 2013

elliptic - Lead - 21/Oct/12 with Lisa

Hard on the fingertips
Cheese Monkey - 2nd dog - 20/Oct/12 with jordon fleming

Jordon Fleming - Lead rpt - 20/Oct/12 with ben darby

awesome route :) the top holds were slightly wet but was ok. wasnt that hard after i found a couple of good crimps at the top, other than that the rest is just quite big moves to big holds
Jordon Fleming - Lead O/S - 15/Oct/12 with simon young

carlgodfrey - TR O/S - 15/Sep/12

Hidden - TR dnf - 15/Sep/12

Hidden - Lead O/S - 09/Sep/12

Nick Russell - 2nd dog - 09/Sep/12 with Ross Davidson

Was a bit wet and couldn't quite find finishing sloper, hard without juggy flakes
Ross.Cooper - Lead dog - 24/Aug/12 with Harry Yarrow

Lovely and wet!
yarrow - 2nd dog - 24/Aug/12 with Ross.Cooper

nickstephens - Lead - 20/Aug/12 with Gareth Greeves

Put off by broken hold so finished up Don't Stop Now, which is excellent.
Ed Babs - Lead O/S - 19/Aug/12 with Mike Hawkins

Re-placed gear for my teary partner so he could finish the day on a high and not drown the barbie!
nickstephens - 2nd dog - 18/Aug/12 with Gareth Greeves

gg4419 - Lead dog - Aug/12

mark schramm - 04/Jul/12

Jamiet297 - TR β - 04/Jul/12 with mark schramm

RossT - 2nd - 03/Jul/12 with Tim Howell

1 rest
Curly Rich - 2nd dog - 30/Jun/12 with GMC JohnP

Hidden - Lead dnf - 30/Jun/12

Didn't know about broken hold, but we had our suspisions. Took quite a few goes up and down to work out a sequence. We went directly up from the big flake to an okay, but not great, hold for the left in the next horizontal break. From here you get your R foot on top of the flake and rock up, feeling around for whatever you can get with the R. It felt like 5c to me. E1/2 5C?
andy_pemberton - Lead - 27/Jun/12 with Steve Gibson

Very good route, with a very hard start!!!! Truly awesome! Took a while for me to commit to the overhang though.
Stanners - Lead O/S - 24/Jun/12 with Kyle Williamson

Hidden - 2nd - 19/Jun/12

I got the first few moves up onto the small ledge, but didn't want to commit to an unprotected dyno on single crystal crimps without protection. I'd probably give this a shot with a bouldering mat!
cbeard - Lead dnf - 19/Jun/12

efrance24234 - Lead O/S - 13/Jun/12

Hidden - Lead O/S - Jun/12

Sean Kelly - 02/May/12 with Harry Pearce

Hidden - TR O/S - 02/May/12

Oddjob - Lead O/S - 16/Apr/12 with Ramon

guy757 - 16/Apr/12

benchwarmer - Lead O/S - 07/Apr/12 with Lizzie

lilliyan - 2nd dnf - 07/Apr/12 with Ewan

jockbmx666 - TR - Apr/12

Marti999 - Lead O/S - 29/Mar/12 with Zoe

Ducks Rock - 2nd dog - 29/Mar/12 with marti hallet

Lewis Stewart - Lead O/S - 27/Mar/12

Tom Seccombe - Lead dog - 23/Mar/12 with Ben Woods, tj murry

Hidden - Lead O/S - 2012

possibly finished up don't stop now.
Jonathan Emett - 2nd dog - 03/Oct/11 with toby

haaaard! especially now some crucial hold(s) has fallen off. well dogged
katherinesydney - 2nd dog - 01/Oct/11 with bobby gilbert

5c or possible 6a (i've not been climbing in ages so not sure) doing the rockover now that the crucial holds have gone
Bobby Gilbert - Lead O/S - 01/Oct/11 with Katherine Sydney

KDhruev - TR O/S - 28/Sep/11

Hidden - TR dog - 28/Sep/11

FInished up Don't Stop Now
gidmord - 2nd O/S - 25/Sep/11 with Lauren Davies, dmoir

Dibdawg - Lead dnf - 03/Sep/11

An excellent shorter gritstone like climb. Climbed up a down quite a few times on the jugs before finally finding a very 'easy once you know how' sequence to get over the bulge. Well worth 3 stars!!
Graeme Hammond - Lead O/S - 29/Aug/11 with Becky E

Crafty moves at the start followed by juggy pulling higher up. Very enjoyable!
Cragrat Rich - Lead O/S - 27/Aug/11

Hidden - Lead O/S - 27/Aug/11

Chappy - 2nd O/S - 20/Aug/11

Hidden - TR rpt - 16/Aug/11

dannyboy83 - 2nd O/S - 28/Jul/11 with Dad

Hidden - Lead O/S - 21/Jul/11

Hidden - Solo O/S - Jul/11

MBarraclough - Lead - 23/Jun/11

dale1968 - 2nd dog - 03/Jun/11 with Tom

Hidden - Lead O/S - 03/Jun/11

Hidden - Lead dnf - 25/May/11

Hidden - 2nd β - 25/May/11

Hidden - Lead dnf - 20/May/11

***THE final jug/flake is no longer. The entire jug pulled off in my hands today, resulting in a 20ft inverter : )INSPECTION ADVISABLE - there is still a fairly good hold where the jug was but the sling is no more. New runout will most likely warrant E2 5b/c*** ...enjoy : ) (me thinks a sneaky cam may have been placed by unknown previously...likely cause)
jakenichol - Lead dnf - 19/May/11

saw the hold ripped of today was a whip of a fall. the cheeky cam wasnt an issue but the hold was hollow it was going to go soon glad ur ok and walked out.
kyebrooks - 2nd dnf - 19/May/11 with bryn mays

Hidden - AltLd RP - 04/May/11

before top flake fell off
misterb - Lead - May/11 with wain

Hidden - 2nd - 30/Apr/11

Took awhile to commit to the start,but got it in the end.First E1(rock fax guide)onsite.
Popkids - Lead O/S - 29/Apr/11 with Baz

kdalzell - 2nd - 27/Apr/11 with Liam Fleming

Hidden - Lead dog - 13/Apr/11

Elaine Budden - 2nd O/S - 10/Apr/11 with tom bunn

Should be E1!
Sean Kelly - 06/Apr/11 with Tim

Oh sweeeet jugs
msoldn - Lead O/S - 02/Apr/11 with Dave

climbed in the mist and cold but still a good route gets E1 in my book and in my opinion
pudding - Lead O/S - 02/Apr/11 with phil jarvis

Hidden - Lead dnf - 28/Mar/11

Hidden - TR dnf - 28/Mar/11

mark schramm - 2nd - 27/Mar/11 with Chris E

Climbed before flake broke off
chris ebbutt - Lead - 27/Mar/11 with Mark

Couldn't sort out the exit from the bulge, that little flake is just too far away! Need to grow more muscle!
francois - Lead dnf - 24/Mar/11 with Tammy

little_tammy - 2nd dog - 24/Mar/11 with Francois Bocquet

good climb,bommer gear all the way up. .
ian1234567 - Lead O/S - 20/Mar/11

richiebongo - Lead O/S - 20/Mar/11 with Gwen Thomson

Hidden - Lead O/S - Mar/11

Hidden - Solo rpt - Mar/11

Pete Rigby - Lead dog - Mar/11

Tim M - Lead O/S - 2011 with Emma

climbergg - 2nd - 2011 with cheesesarnie

CptRicActiv - Lead - 2011

CptRicActiv - Lead - 2011

fantastic climbing. totally deserving of its 3 stars and grade of E1 (there is no gear till halfway up)
Ed morris - Lead O/S - 14/Nov/10 with haydn jones

Hidden - TR - 06/Nov/10

tobydunford - 2nd β - 27/Oct/10

Pumpy lead with experienced seconder.
Rich Wain-Hobson - Lead O/S - Oct/10

Brilliant moves through the overhang - I love granite jugs!
jacobjlloyd - 2nd O/S - 30/Sep/10 with Dougie

riddle - Lead O/S - 25/Sep/10 with Yasmina

Hidden - 2nd - 25/Sep/10

Bristoldave - Lead O/S - 20/Sep/10 with CarolineH

Do the Rock Lobster start and the Hangover finish a great climb HVS 5b*** realy great!!! two contrasting parts slabby start and juggy finish in a great position. SUPER p.s. much better and probably harder than Aviation
joese7en - Lead O/S - 17/Sep/10

Hidden - Lead O/S - 31/Aug/10

This gets E1 in the WCC book and is well worth it IMO. The start is hard for 5b, and you get high enough to feel a bit bold before the gear.
Si dH - 2nd O/S - 14/Aug/10 with Neil Furniss

Hidden - Lead O/S - 14/Aug/10

Very tricky to figure sequence for the crux as it's a blind move over the bulge. A sling on a expanding flake below provides bomber gear, though a slip on the crux gives a fall the tourists waiting for. Favourite route on haytor for sure!
Kemics - Lead RP - 08/Aug/10

mark schramm - Lead - 04/Aug/10

Hidden - Lead O/S - 20/Jun/10

tom169 - Lead - 25/May/10

mattyork2 - 2nd - 14/Feb/10 with Johnny Richard

Hidden - 2010

Hidden - TR β - 12/Aug/09

kyebrooks - 2nd O/S - 11/Aug/09

dubs123 - Jul/09

What a great climb, nice and bold at the bottom then thuggy but bombproof at the top
surfbish - Lead - 29/Jun/09 with Nick

Hidden - 2nd - 07/Jun/09

tonanf - Lead - Jun/09 with burt

Much better than either original line. Pokey start.
Jon_Warner - 2nd O/S - 11/Apr/09 with Mark Glaister

don't put a cam behind the top flake! tis way creaky. a short sling does the job and is (probably, possibly, maybe...) better
w.pettet-smith - Lead O/S - 2009

Hidden - TR - 2009

dmoir - Lead O/S - 21/Sep/08 with Jay Jackson

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 21/Sep/08

Hidden - Solo O/S - 10/May/08

charlesmfrench - Lead O/S - 25/May/04 with Simon Howe

Rob Pitt - 2003

Steveb27 - AltLd - 2000

Simon cook - Lead - 1988

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 1985

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