Sick, horrible route. More like caving than climbing! mrginna - 2nd O/S - 08/May/13
Hidden - 2nd O/S - 08/May/13
Not the best
jack01 - 2nd O/S - 08/May/13
lecko - 08/May/13
Lovely apart from the approach pitches, need to do in the dark now!
Dan Geh - AltLd O/S - 25/Apr/13 with Adam Jordan
AMJ098 - AltLd - Apr/13 with Dan Geh
A CRAC effort it boots - Damp and slippery but an achievement nevertheless. Henry lead the chimney itself
robjdc - Lead O/S - 03/Feb/13
Hidden - Lead O/S - 03/Feb/13
Hidden - 2013
westong - 2013
chubbyclimber - Lead - 17/Nov/12 with Steve, The Nic Monk
Hidden - 2nd - 04/Nov/12
Hidden - AltLd O/S - 16/Sep/12
A hoot. So wet even the darkest recesses of the cave was running with water.
GBM - Lead O/S - 16/Sep/12 with Rafal S, Will B
general - AltLd O/S - 16/Sep/12
Horrible, totally overgrown. More climbing trees than rock
MikeB1 - AltLd O/S - 26/Jul/12
Done in the wet, really enjoyable scrap. Good wet day option. Chris led the final topout. Reccomended. Left dignity and technique at the base of the climb along with our bags.
Alan Dixon - Lead - 22/Jun/12 with Chris Wright
Prime conditions for this one. Somehow the insight of the chimney was bone dry. Possibly the only bit if dry rock in Wales at the time
Sardien - AltLd rpt - 14/Jun/12 with Helena Robinson
floss_81 - 2nd - 08/Jun/12 with nick andrews, steve ashworth
stephen ashworth - Lead - 08/Jun/12 with nick andrews, floss_81
deklan - AltLd - 06/Jun/12 with Niel, jak
pielips - AltLd - 03/Jun/12
Rain so we done this climb good fun
Ray Sparks - 2nd - 31/May/12
sgl0jd - 19/May/12
gw3285 - AltLd - 07/May/12
jakethepeg - 2nd - 25/Apr/12
Hidden - AltLd - 05/Apr/12
Hidden - Lead - 26/Feb/12
minus273degrees - 2nd - 21/Jan/12 with megan, timboroo
Great New Year fun. Chimney very wet!
Cardi - Lead O/S - 01/Jan/12 with Matt T, Nina, Clare D
Hidden - 2012
Hidden - 2012
Hidden - 2012
Hidden - Solo O/S - 26/Oct/11
Hidden - Lead O/S - 16/Oct/11
Ld Pitch 3
malc - AltLd O/S - 24/Sep/11 with Paul Scott, Nick
Left campsite at midnight, back by 4am. a great adventure!
pastep - AltLd - 04/Sep/11 with Tibor, Woody, ebf
PaulHermes - AltLd O/S - 02/Sep/11 with Tibor
Hidden - AltLd O/S - 20/Aug/11
and 9 other people...
hazeysunshine - 2nd dog - 20/Aug/11 with Sue H, Helen L, Fred, Alison
Hidden - AltLd - 26/Jul/11
Party climb in the wet!...
Krystalli - 2nd - 16/Jul/11 with Andy, Kieran, Emma, Aidan, Cat, Dan, Luke
Homes - AltLd - 16/Jul/11
Hidden - 2nd - 31/May/11
Awesome route. A little bit more difficult in parts. Fantastic route tho
Rhys_Alun - AltLd - 28/May/11 with John Stringer, Red Dragon
jstringer - 2nd O/S - 28/May/11 with Rhys Williams, Red Dragon
Hidden - Lead O/S - 07/May/11
alias dave - Solo O/S - 07/May/11 with Sam.EB
What a laugh! Ronnie and Mark were in second group. Dry climb which was novel for route.
Neil Metcalfe101 - AltLd - 02/May/11 with Allan Mac
strange but wicked route!
Libby - 2nd - 04/Apr/11
Climb in the rain, very very wet but fun! A real battle, what a chimney! i ended up with no energy i couldn't even lift my arms!
xusa - 2nd O/S - 15/Mar/11 with Gareth Borthwick
wet and cold, did not summit, abseiled back down.
Andrew Lamb - 2nd dnf - 11/Mar/11
Wet 1st Pitch
rob k - AltLd O/S - 11/Mar/11
Lapepina - 2nd - 20/Feb/11
Soloed 4th pitch (scramble up to ledge with holly tree)
paulerussell - AltLd O/S - 20/Feb/11 with Isabel Garcia-Hermoza, Alex Angell, Jon, Therese
Hidden - 2nd - 05/Feb/11
Pouring with water and did it in big boots. Would have been brilliant in the dry! Backed off...
Tightsgirl - Lead dnf - 05/Feb/11 with Josh Arnott, Jake Parker Bishop
jcooper8 - 2nd - 05/Feb/11
ian2707 - 2nd - 04/Feb/11
andy dunn - 2nd - 21/Jan/11 with J
first climb of the year, tripping wet and excellent fun!
uncontrollable - AltLd O/S - 01/Jan/11 with Alan T, Alan B
Led P2,4. Very wet before getting into the chimney. Perfect conditions ;).
Monkey_Alan - AltLd rpt - 01/Jan/11 with Alan Turner, Frodo Stickel
mataius - 2011
Hidden - 2011
Hidden - 2011
Hidden - 2011
Hidden - 2011
Hidden - 2011
Hidden - 2011
Hidden - 2011
popov86 - AltLd - 12/Dec/10
Tom Seccombe - 2nd O/S - 17/Nov/10 with Matt Parkinson, tj murry, tim exley
Luke Brooks - 01/Oct/10
moelfras - Lead - 18/Sep/10
minus273degrees - 2nd dog - 11/Sep/10 with timboroo
Bloody mental trying to find the thing. The description in pravs snowdon guide was completely wrong. Had a look in another guide book and the description is different. Worth doing. Going to night solo it next time i'm at the hotel.
jayrenegade - Solo O/S - 04/Sep/10 with Luke, Prav
Like nothing I've climbed before - I probably got the bum deal by going second and having to haul the rucksack(s) through the chimney - took forever. A few bit of it required not too much deep breathing and careful location of gear on the harness. Wished I'd had chalk and rockboots for the start, glad I didn't.
Al Urker - AltLd O/S - 29/Aug/10 with Rich
mol - AltLd - 21/Aug/10 with Luke, Sarah Smith, Jesse
splendid. despite having lost out on the true onsight. (to climb when heavily intoxicated.) i was pathetically sober on far too sunny a day. ill make sure im totally mashed next time to make up for it. promise.
lukas richardo - Solo - Aug/10 with prav, jamie
Awesome route. Best done with a full oversized rucksack...
ed edwards - AltLd O/S - Aug/10 with martin brierly, tim bateson, richard coupland
Ridiculous. In a good way. While on the climb we saw a man with an umbrella (who retreated, perhaps wisely) and a man with a plaster cast on his arm (who did not- respect due).
Harri777 - AltLd - 24/Jul/10 with Liz
Ridiculous - wet, shame that I did not have an umbrella. We cheated by wearing rock shoes - rather than nails but i do recommend tweed for friction.
Dizz - AltLd O/S - 24/Jul/10 with Harri777
Perfect day for that one! Pissing down, beers on the walk in and Rhod with his hand in a cast squirming up on Simons shoudlers :-) Brilliant fun!
Sardien - 2nd O/S - 24/Jul/10 with Thor Veen, Rhodri Morgan, Simon Moore
NB Pixel - AltLd O/S - 24/Jul/10 with Karl
Nigel Bond - Lead - 21/Jul/10 with Stuart Bond
Martin leading me and Tam into the darkness! The chimney was a hoot, we all did it differently. We did all 4 pitches then walked off. A true Welsh classic. Sunny start, rainy finish. Did it in big boots to make things more interesting.
climbfan - 2nd O/S - 14/Jul/10 with Martin Holland, Tam Risk
Cacyn - 2nd O/S - 14/Jul/10 with climbfan, Martin Holland
Hidden - Lead O/S - 27/Jun/10
Hidden - Lead rpt - 01/Jun/10
Hidden - Solo - Jun/10
Hidden - Solo - Jun/10
tedburt - AltLd O/S - 29/May/10 with Aaron Burdett
Tony Little - Solo rpt - 15/May/10
Superb! Soloed across the initial ledges then I led up the steep and polished little wall to the cave proper. This had Charles' name on it.....
Loads of fun, grunting and gurning but fortunately nice and dry. Getting on the first chockstone was the hardest due to the slippery wall. Popping out in the sunshine is a delight and back to my lead for the top wall/scramble. Only downside? The descent. The guidebook gives no clues so we headed down North Gully. Don't. Its a nightmare abseil in green wet moss, trees, overhanging blocks and sheep poo. Almost took longer than the climb........
Babika - AltLd - 03/May/10 with Charles Leek, Kiwi Pete
Chimney pitch was awesome - only slightly wet, nothing difficult, just good old hard work to squirm your way up it!
andy dunn - AltLd rpt - 25/Apr/10 with Alan
Hidden - Lead O/S - 20/Apr/10
Seconded Tom's pitch in approach shoes, then used climbing shoes for my pitch through the chimney. Was raining but awesome, headtorch would have been handy.
partz - AltLd O/S - 24/Mar/10 with Tom Dudley
In Walking boots, in the rain. Jamie took 1st and 2nd pitch. I took on the cave, spend a good 45+mins gettin over the 1st chockstone, very polished. Jamie took final pitch to the peg then gave me a decent waist belay for me to second.
My Nike watch snapped off after the cave, just watched it roll down the edge, gutted.
Matthew Edwards - AltLd O/S - 24/Mar/10 with Jamie Greig
JamieGreig - AltLd O/S - 24/Mar/10 with Matthew Edwards
I lead 1st and 3rd pitch, Matt lead second (the chimney). Big Boots and very wet.
tdudley - AltLd RP - 24/Mar/10 with Matt Everett
My 21st birthday climb with Jill, Sam and Ben :)
Teddys15 - Solo O/S - 19/Mar/10
noodles birthday with jill and ben
sthame - Solo O/S - 19/Mar/10 with Jill Reinch, Martyn Middleton
Martyns 21st with wurzel, Sam and martyn
Jillybean - Solo - 19/Mar/10
Hidden - Solo - 19/Mar/10
Ows - 2nd - Mar/10
in the wet in me wellies!
dan-8990 - Solo O/S - 20/Feb/10
Hidden - AltLd - Jan/10
Done with with a party of 7, the majority of which being large in girth, all with hangovers, in the rain and hail. No Moonlight though.
Glyn Davidson - Lead O/S - 06/Dec/09 with Daz Haycock, Jason V, Rod Vandam, Lord Jones of Grange, Joss, Colin A, Ali
Joss - 06/Dec/09 with CMC Group
didnt fancy this at all .did the first pitch to the chimney entrance .loked a bit of a squeeze for me so bottled out this time.more akin to caving than climbing ,realised i'm not good in confined spaces . jason did well along with joss,rod daz,glyn ,ali and myself ,great locality though,horible day ,cold and wet but enjoyable all the same.Wont be beaten though "i'll be back" part of the cmc weekend...
colina - TR dnf - 06/Dec/09
The chimney is something to be experienced. As Glyn said, not for the large of girth. It mangled a couple of my cams good style.
JasonV - 2nd - 06/Dec/09
Hidden - AltLd - 06/Dec/09
Great fun in the wet. Bit of a squeeze in the chimney, had to take pack off and haul it.
chubbyclimber - 15/Nov/09 with Fred
Conditions bad driving rain at times and very slimy wet rock(in big boots)Climbed as part of AMC group of seven. Nice 3 metre air time for Sarah on leading the second pitch in front of us.(Ok though) Climbed as a three. Put the first two pitches together. Although the crux is not offically until the start of the chimmey by far the second pitch was the most problematic having to move left of the crack which take size 7 hex nicely. Chimmey fun with a good flakes for the final pitch. Credit to Dave for taking the first two pitches. One definately to do again but in good weather in rock boots
kiwi boy - 2nd O/S - 15/Nov/09 with Mark, Dave B
fishinwater - 2nd - Nov/09 with Bald eagle
unsuccessful search for a yellow sling!
dan-8990 - Solo - 19/Oct/09
the traditional way again!
dan-8990 - Solo - 17/Oct/09 with NM
the traditional way!
dan-8990 - Solo - 16/Oct/09 with NM
Nathanael-Mc - Solo O/S - 16/Oct/09 with Dan Commander
Very entertaining, bruised from head to toe!
Keith Jones - AltLd - 10/Oct/09 with Tecwyn
Alt leads with a very patient partner. I’m glad he used his Head or I SWARE I’d still be on that chock stone. All in all enjoyable, in a perverse way.
Clogwyn y Gwin - AltLd O/S - 10/Oct/09 with K J
Cave or climb ?? Fantastic abseil off the top !
Stoff - AltLd O/S - Oct/09
Hidden - AltLd O/S - 28/Sep/09
Sgt. Vest - Solo O/S - 23/Sep/09
Nathanael-Mc - Solo - 17/Sep/09 with Dan Commander
Allan led the scramble up to the start which was fun in itself but I led the mad chimney route. Weird. Pitch out of the chimney at the top very easy but enjoyable no the less. metal spike at top.
Neil Metcalfe101 - Lead - 30/Aug/09 with Allan Mac
gareth scott borthwick - Solo O/S - 22/Aug/09
scorky345 - AltLd - 20/Aug/09 with Tim Oates, Owen Pearce
emlynroberts - AltLd - 16/Aug/09 with S A Jones
Tried this route out as a bad weather alternative and wore big boots to climb a route for the first ever time. Ran away screaming like a little girl due to the general slippyness of the first 2 pitches.
simozzer - AltLd dnf - 16/Aug/09 with Ian & Matt
Hjort - AltLd O/S - 16/Aug/09 with Si Creer
Hidden - 2nd O/S - 16/Aug/09
Done in boots when the rock was pretty wet on a grim looking day. We used double ropes but you'd be better off with a single. Managed to somehow snap my gear loop in the final wriggle out of the chimney sending my gear crashing to the floor!
davesperring - Lead O/S - 16/Aug/09 with Eira Brockley
rocklobster - AltLd - 16/Aug/09 with Simon and Ian
BennoC - AltLd O/S - 02/Aug/09 with Stace
staceated - AltLd O/S - 02/Aug/09 with ben
Hidden - Solo - 18/Jul/09
simon geering - 2nd - 09/Jul/09
Hidden - Lead O/S - 04/Jul/09
tomtherockboy - 04/Jul/09
Hidden - Jul/09
Hidden - 2nd - 07/Jun/09
Done in the poring rain, but was amazing, and very funny
Bennykr - AltLd O/S - 06/Jun/09 with Dad
reinschgm - AltLd O/S - 06/Jun/09 with Ben
Jillybean - AltLd O/S - 06/Jun/09 with Fiona
lukewilliams - 06/Jun/09
First multipitch climb, turned out to be more of a caving expedition!
sarah hawker - 2nd O/S - 31/May/09 with Rachael Harrison, Dave SB
davesb - Lead - 31/May/09 with Sarah Hawker
frume - Lead O/S - 30/May/09 with Ian
ndugu - 2nd O/S - 22/May/09 with Antony (SA)
allanfarrell - Lead O/S - 22/May/09 with Emma Turnbull
Desparate: give me a proper cave any day!
peterdevlin - 2nd dog - 18/May/09 with Bryn Williams
Hidden - AltLd O/S - 26/Apr/09
Good fun and brilliant views from the top.
mike_lumby - TR - Apr/09
fizzychewitt - Lead - 22/Mar/09 with Phil
JonnySchofield - 2nd O/S - 07/Mar/09
A Classic which is hairy in the dark and high winds.
sqirt - 2nd - 01/Feb/09 with Hiliary Thaker
finally! 3 attempts at this climb. frist time we tried in the dark, but my head torch ran out of batteries on the walk in. Second time it was day, but very wet... we got badly lost and didn't even encounter the chimney. finally finished the route today, was light for the first half then dark for the rest!
adam06 - AltLd - 24/Jan/09 with mike weaver, Hilary Theaker and david rider
fun route, but crux is pretty exhausting! finished route in the dark
hils theaker - Lead - 24/Jan/09 with squrt, adam +mike
Mikelo - AltLd - 24/Jan/09 with adam
In pouring rain, big boots and about as much friction as a waterslide - the best place to be in the conditions :)
danleyden - Lead - 22/Nov/08 with Chris Townsend
Instruction in multipitch.
jonnie3430 - Lead O/S - 09/Nov/08 with Tom and Craig
cd_smiffy - 2nd O/S - 09/Nov/08 with Thomas Jenkins, Jonnie Williams
best diff I've ever done!
lukehunt - Lead - 25/Oct/08 with Jon Stokes
Hidden - Solo O/S - 25/Oct/08
in the pissing rain. brilliant fun.
lukea - Lead O/S - 25/Oct/08 with felix
treeminkies - 25/Oct/08 with carole and alan
took a group of 35 through on a cold and starry night with candles for light
Weedyskid - Solo rpt - Oct/08
Hidden - 2nd - 28/Aug/08
alwyn101 - 2nd - 22/Aug/08 with Dylan CMC
Sari Nevala - Lead - 03/Aug/08
Did the recommended way - in a large group whilst raining, rock was very slippery!
Julian Prieto - AltLd O/S - 19/Jul/08
tavarua - 2nd dog - 19/Jul/08 with wmc
Monkey_Alan - 2nd - 19/Jul/08 with Wessex MC
jsw1 - 2nd - 28/Jun/08 with Jo Medcalf, Sarah Medcalf, Christian Lenehan, David Medcalf, Cathy Woodhead
'interesting'! I still have the bruises from squirming up the chimney...
jom - 2nd O/S - 28/Jun/08 with the Medcalf Clan plus 2
Hidden - AltLd O/S - 22/Jun/08
thompson1000 - Solo - 22/Jun/08
Hidden - 2nd O/S - 01/Jun/08
Mike Goldthorp - Solo O/S - 30/May/08 with Sam Jones, Kieran King, Matt Burdican, Jill Reinsch, Chris Shipway
Hidden - Lead O/S - 12/Apr/08
knicos - 2nd - 04/Apr/08
Hidden - AltLd - 21/Mar/08
MoWalker3 - AltLd - 21/Mar/08
Hidden - 2nd dnf - 08/Mar/08
Karlos - Lead - 08/Mar/08
Hidden - 2nd O/S - 2008
did it in the rain, wicked.
jade Edwards Leaney - Lead O/S - 2008
Sean Kelly - 2008
alwyn101 - AltLd O/S - 14/Sep/07 with Joey Bethesda
Joss - Lead O/S - 31/Aug/07 with John Norman
featuresforfeet - Solo - 28/Jun/07 with SecretSquirrel
Amazing route - thrutched up the crux - didn't really get it - used up about 75% of my energy!
mick1jones - 2nd dog - 27/May/07 with Dave Wilkinson
On a school trip when raining. Lot of colourful language heard!
Go_Climb_A_Rock - 2nd O/S - 13/May/07
A Crook - AltLd O/S - 06/May/07 with Dave Garry, Neil Griffiths
Hidden - AltLd O/S - 21/Apr/07
keith robo - AltLd O/S - 21/Apr/07 with James Gerrie/Gareth Pierce
tumbling wizard - Lead - Apr/07
Took 1st leading fall onto nut whilst leading the 1st pitch in the wet in boots.
Glyn - 18/Mar/07 with Perry Batteman
mortimea - 2nd - 28/Jan/07 with Roger Jackson, Pete Sanderson
danleyden - 2nd O/S - Jan/07 with Jenny James
Jennyjames - Lead - Jan/07 with Dan
fran04 - Solo - 2007
Hidden - 2nd - 2007
Keith Jones - Lead - 21/Nov/06 with ali
Dan Shirley - AltLd O/S - 12/Oct/06
Hidden - Solo - 01/Oct/06
Hidden - AltLd O/S - 17/Sep/06
Renegade_Pony - 2nd - 13/Jul/06 with Owen Barnicott, Ewan Brown
benchwarmer - Jul/06 with Owen Barnicott, Justin Hughes
victim of mathematics - AltLd O/S - 27/May/06 with crossdressingrodney
crossdressingrodney - AltLd O/S - 27/May/06 with victim of mathematics
In the rain with a group as is traditional
TRNovice - 30/Dec/05 with cider nut, featuresforfeet, Jenn
Jenn - 30/Dec/05 with cider nut, featuresforfeet, TRNovice
James Meredith - AltLd O/S - Nov/05 with Simon
I have put "clean onsight" but nothing about this route should have the word "clean" associated with it! Still, it's a magnificent experience in a storm.
chrishedgehog - Lead O/S - 09/Sep/05 with Clare Wilkie
Total fun climb-couldn't stop laughing, but Gerry wasn't amused.
Ann S - Sep/05 with Bill Harrision/Gerry Ryan/Dave Bartholomew
A great day out, preceeding a great night out, making the best of the most minging but classic N Wales weather!
mattyork2 - AltLd - 30/Jul/05 with josh, harry, nick and an aussie
bobette - 2nd - 03/May/05
Very odd route! More like caving. Very wet again.
KeithW - AltLd - 17/Apr/05 with Mike Nuttall
fantastic route!!! perfect for a wet day!!!
2RoyalAnglian - Apr/05 with plas y brenin r/c course
Climb Rox - Lead - 2005
Keith Jones - 2nd - Dec/04 with David
I led the short 2nd pitch, Rob led the rest
Toreador - AltLd O/S - 23/Oct/04 with Rob, Liz and Jenny
simon did the hard part (at the beginning pitch 2)
I ran the rest into 1 pitch !!!!
lithos - AltLd O/S - 23/Oct/04
Hidden - AltLd - Sep/04
Massed ascent by Innominata MC in the wet
Howard J - 2nd - 26/Jun/04
samwelli - AltLd O/S - 05/Apr/04 with Steve Hobbs
broc - AltLd O/S - 23/Nov/03 with Mike
Hidden - Lead - Sep/03
Mike - 2nd - 15/Aug/03
Hidden - Solo rpt - 27/Aug/00
Hidden - Solo - 22/Apr/00
leonjones - 2nd - 2000 with Pete Miller
kjbix - Solo - 2000 with Richard Beech
Hidden - Lead - 09/Oct/98
Good fun on a wet and drizzly day.
iskra2000 - AltLd - 04/May/98 with Danuska Rycerz
Hidden - AltLd - 16/Apr/98
Nice tunnel to climb in. I remember a large ledge which I had a bit of trouble mantleshelving about halfway up.
dionhughes - Solo O/S - 1998 with Bob Bertalot
zero six - Lead - 1998
DavidR - Solo O/S - 27/Apr/97 with John Marston and Andy Owen
Hidden - AltLd - 19/Apr/97
Callum Anderson - Sep/96
gd303uk - Solo O/S - Jul/96 with John Rogers
Hidden - Solo O/S - 01/Apr/96
What a laugh!
Ian Archer - AltLd O/S - 10/Sep/95 with CDW
chris d williams - Solo - 10/Sep/95 with Ian Archer
five - AltLd O/S - Feb/95
My first proper climb!
ZA - 1995 with family
Hidden - AltLd - 25/Dec/94
Tom Vivian - Lead - 20/Nov/94
Hidden - TR - 03/Aug/94
Hidden - Lead - 15/Jun/94
group of 8
Tom Vivian - Lead - 16/Feb/94
moving roped together
RichardP - 09/Jun/91
Hidden - Lead - 03/Jun/91
with Newport MC
James Moyle - 2nd - 1991
nigehughes - AltLd - Apr/89 with Mark Troy
nigehughes - Lead - Jan/89 with Chris Hewitt
Hidden - Lead - 12/Dec/87
Hidden - Lead - 16/Sep/87
Mostly soloed, led through route pitch. Wasn't dark but might as well have been given the weather.
Iain Thow - Lead - 06/Sep/87 with Bob Lister, Steve Ball
nigehughes - Lead - May/87 with Chris Hewitt, Ted Wellstood
Hidden - Lead - 26/Feb/87
and john carpenter, started around 11pm and finished at dawn
michael burrows - 2nd O/S - 22/Jun/85 with helen swygart
babymoac - 04/Nov/84 with MTW & Paul R
I was 12 - dad let me lead the main Chimney pitch... Mum did it with us.
Backinthegame - AltLd - Jul/80 with Dad
Ghastly Rubberfeet - AltLd - 1980
rogerskews - AltLd - 29/Apr/79 with John Blackburn
Bolt Phobia - AltLd - 14/Feb/76
Mark Kemball - Solo - 24/Aug/75
Hidden - Lead O/S - Mar/75
JohnHutch - 2nd - Sep/74 with PyB
Massed ascent for Dave Ball's 21st
Howard J - 2nd - 1974 with Reading University MC
Ian Jones - AltLd O/S - 1973 with Bill Dean
tapley - 2nd - 07/Apr/69 with Dave Hearnshaw
David Smith - Lead - 1963 with John Sargeant