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Kaisergebirge Wall** HVS 5b

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[Neil leading Kaisergebirge Wall, Grochan, 3 kb]A great route that has the crux where it should be... at the top! Follow the obvious traverse-line leftwards to a resting ledge. Attack the steep groove on the left with gusto (crux) to gain the ledge and belay. © ROCKFAX

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Photo: Neil leading Kaisergebirge Wall, Grochan © John Marsland
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This climb is in 319 logbooks, and on 19 wishlists.

Easier crux than I remember but good route.
jezb1 - 2nd - 21/Apr/14

Double Knee Bar - 2nd O/S - 14/Apr/14 with Rafe

Nice route, protection just about adequate throughout but good for the crux
UncleMephisto - Lead O/S - 14/Apr/14 with Glenn Manifold

Chris Manasseh - 2nd - 15/Mar/14 with Mike Buddle

Hidden - 2014

Nice route. Easier than the guidebook suggests. Top end 5a possibly - not 5b.
highclimber - Lead O/S - 2014 with Jez

Si - 2014

Hidden - AltLd - 24/Sep/13

Thought the crux was a bit unprotected, and therefor unnerving above the big ledge
Sardien - Lead O/S - 22/Sep/13 with Megan Beaumont

Brilliant route, will be back to lead it.
Mike Nolan - 2nd O/S - 23/Aug/13

Really good route. Lot's of gear all the way, thought the crux was 5b, but well protected and short lived.
jezb1 - Lead - 23/Aug/13

freemanTom (Guildford MC) - Lead - 23/Aug/13 with Roger Lord

Hidden - Lead O/S - 23/Aug/13

metal arms - Lead O/S - 23/Aug/13

Hidden - 2nd - 19/Aug/13

Nice climb. Began the top groove on its left hand side - felt much easier than going direct.
Pete_Frost - Lead O/S - 03/Aug/13 with Chris Miller

wolverine - Lead - 03/Aug/13 with Thunderthighsontheloose

Thunderthighsontheloose - 2nd O/S - 03/Aug/13 with Mike Hayes

Good route. Final groove a little interesting, faffed around for a bit but got it done in the end
CM1992 - 2nd - 03/Aug/13 with Pete Frost

dan gibson - Lead rpt - 26/Jul/13 with helen gibson

Hidden - Lead O/S - 05/Jul/13

gripped01 - AltLd - 30/Jun/13 with Dave Tait

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 18/Jun/13

Julesthe1st - Lead O/S - 09/Jun/13 with Guy

wolverine - Lead O/S - 09/Jun/13 with Chris Coleman

dicky79 - Lead O/S - 01/Jun/13 with Leon

Lenny - 2nd O/S - 01/Jun/13 with Iain

Hidden - Lead O/S - 20/May/13

francesanncavanagh - 2nd - 20/May/13 with Craig Fussy Pants Letham

Really enjoy this one, quality rock in a great position.
Dan724 - AltLd O/S - 02/May/13 with Ollie Halford, Kyle Williamson

greenclimb - Lead O/S - May/13 with Rachel

DubyaJamesDubya - 2013

Hidden - Lead O/S - 2013

Alex.M-M. - Lead O/S - 22/Sep/12 with chris ripper

petegruf - Lead rpt - 08/Sep/12 with Karl

Lloyders - Lead O/S - 07/Sep/12 with Paddy

Hidden - Lead dog - 05/Sep/12

Hidden - 2nd - 05/Sep/12

Done it before, lots of times
PaulTanton - Lead β - 02/Sep/12 with Anita Grey

Cardi - 2nd O/S - 21/Aug/12 with Tom R

Jenny Crook - 2nd - 20/Aug/12 with Rob Patchett

guy757 - 14/Aug/12 with Vic

Hidden - Lead - 11/Aug/12

ldadams - Lead O/S - Aug/12

Hidden - Lead - Aug/12

greglad - Lead - 22/Jul/12

Hidden - Lead rpt - 22/Jul/12

Sever up to the short but good 5b crux...very pleasant
chriscarroll - Lead O/S - 18/Jul/12 with Owain

owain86 - 2nd O/S - 17/Jul/12 with Chris

Hannes B - 2nd - 20/Jun/12 with Luke

martrin - Lead - 18/Jun/12 with Sarah Kekus

Hidden - 2nd rpt - 02/Jun/12

kyaizawa - Lead O/S - 02/Jun/12 with Luke Cullum

Foot slipped off after passing crux in the top crack. Annoyed to not do it clean
lcullum7 - 2nd RP - 02/Jun/12 with Ky Aizawa

Hidden - 2nd - Jun/12

Hidden - 2nd rpt - 27/May/12

John Nuttall - Lead - 27/May/12 with Mark

Johnywilks - Lead O/S - 06/May/12

georgeevans88 - Lead O/S - 05/May/12 with James N

jamesn89 - 2nd dnf - 05/May/12 with george e

Hidden - Lead O/S - 04/May/12

Hidden - Lead - 28/Mar/12

Stone Muppet - Lead O/S - 27/Mar/12

Hidden - 2nd - 26/Mar/12

hrgcb - Lead - 25/Mar/12 with John Chattaway

Hidden - Lead O/S - 22/Mar/12

Hidden - Lead - 25/Feb/12

Hidden - 2nd - 25/Feb/12

cballard - 2012

Hidden - 2012

Owen_P - 2012

Noodles - 2nd - 04/Oct/11 with Andy Mcque

benchwarmer - Lead O/S - 01/Oct/11

Dagash - 2nd O/S - 01/Sep/11

SteveJCox - 2nd - 01/Sep/11

Tom Cox - Lead O/S - 01/Sep/11

psychomansam - TR - Aug/11

Sophie Nunn - 2nd rpt - 24/Jul/11 with Pete S

wynaptomos - Lead O/S - 12/Jul/11

AlexD - 2nd - 03/Jul/11 with Alasdair

McGuinness - Lead O/S - 29/Jun/11 with Gareth, Mills

HIGHTOWER - Lead O/S - 09/Jun/11 with Helen

suffolknick - 2nd - 30/Apr/11 with clams

nice
al123 - Lead O/S - 27/Apr/11 with terry

Ceridwen - Lead O/S - 19/Apr/11 with Uber Mike

Sophie Nunn - 2nd O/S - 10/Apr/11 with Floris

MikeLeeds - AltLd O/S - 10/Apr/11 with John McMahon

clams - Lead - Apr/11 with NB

crag_monster - Lead - Apr/11 with Dave Brown

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 27/Mar/11

Guided Patrick
Rory Shaw - Lead rpt - 23/Mar/11

Rory Shaw - 2nd - 22/Mar/11

vertically_challenged - AltLd O/S - Mar/11

Hidden - 2011

Rory Shaw - 2011

Hidden - 2011

Hidden - 2011

Hidden - 2011

PAJames - 2011

PAJames - 2011

alasdair19 - 2011

Wussed out of the night-time lead. Really nice and atmospheric in the dark. Juggy traverse to a short but sustained cruxy top out but never too hard.
farmus21 - 2nd - 14/Oct/10 with Sam Radcliffe

lead at night. really good fun climbing via headtourch! was gripping! felt like easy 5b tho.
samrad - Lead O/S - 14/Oct/10 with james G

Hidden - Lead - 12/Oct/10

givemetea - Lead rpt - 18/Sep/10 with Sarah Bayley

Hidden - 2nd - 31/Aug/10

Hidden - Lead dog - 15/Aug/10

manik - 2nd dog - 15/Aug/10 with Ian Lau

gforce - Lead - 14/Aug/10 with Kath

Rob Pitt - Lead rpt - 19/Jun/10 with Pete Rowlands

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 13/Jun/10

adamscottthomas - Lead O/S - 13/Jun/10 with Kafoozalem

Hidden - Lead - 12/Jun/10

givemetea - 2nd O/S - 05/Jun/10 with John T-CC

John Lewis - 2nd dog - 30/May/10 with Barra

nice warm up route, good lead by ollie
Bennykr - 2nd O/S - 27/May/10 with Ollie Torr

david morse - Lead O/S - 24/May/10 with Lawrence

Shauna - Lead O/S - 23/May/10 with Jules

JulesV - 2nd O/S - 23/May/10 with Shauna Cunningham

Hidden - Lead O/S - 17/May/10

wolf.leeb - Lead rpt - 04/May/10

In the dark!
Ed F - Lead O/S - 17/Apr/10

al99 - Lead - 28/Mar/10 with Luke Thomas

Hidden - Lead - 08/Mar/10

Laurence Everitt - Lead O/S - 07/Mar/10 with Andy Cooper

andycooper - 2nd O/S - 07/Mar/10 with laurence

Hidden - Lead O/S - 07/Mar/10

mr mills - 2010 with ioan d

Hidden - 2010

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 2010

centurion05 - 2010

DuckingFesperate - Lead - 2010

Hidden - 2010

Ken Taylor - 2010

Hidden - 2010

soph - 2010

Dave Rumney - 2nd - 18/Oct/09 with Paul Drew

There was a dead sheep at the bottom
theotherpetehill - 2nd - 27/Sep/09

chrisallan - Lead O/S - 27/Sep/09

Liam FLeming - Lead O/S - 13/Sep/09 with karen dalzell

Mark D - Lead O/S - 11/Sep/09 with Tom Green

TGreen - 2nd O/S - 11/Sep/09 with Mark D

simonp - Lead O/S - Aug/09 with Ivan Green

Ows - 2nd - Aug/09

@ndyM@rsh@ll - Lead O/S - 20/Jul/09 with Sophie Wilmes

sonnenstern - 2nd O/S - 20/Jul/09 with Andy Marshall

RachelP - 2nd - 11/Jul/09 with Chris

Hidden - Lead - Jul/09

chris sm - Lead O/S - 30/Jun/09 with Pippa Froggatt

Kirill - Lead O/S - 14/Jun/09 with Charles Moreton

cem - 2nd rpt - 14/Jun/09 with Kirill Spiridonov

Em66 - 2nd - 25/May/09 with Mat

Hidden - Lead - 20/Apr/09

jimdanson - Lead - 05/Apr/09 with justin tracey

Justin Tracey - 2nd - 05/Apr/09 with Jimdanson

barni - 2nd rpt - 03/Apr/09 with Sally

Glyn - 2nd O/S - 03/Apr/09 with Sally

jgrigson - 2nd O/S - 16/Mar/09

cavemancolumbus - 2nd O/S - Mar/09 with dan

en7edh - 2nd - 2009

Seymore Butt - 2009

Sally Lisle - 2009

Chris M - 2009

jelaby - Lead O/S - 18/Oct/08 with notgnarly, CoffeePot

coffeepot - 2nd - 18/Oct/08 with jelaby

Hidden - 2nd dnf - 18/Oct/08

GPN - Lead dog - 20/Sep/08 with Annette

Hidden - Lead - 20/Sep/08

Definitely a gear retrieval exercise! And it was about to get dark...
net - 2nd dog - 20/Sep/08 with George

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 20/Sep/08

Hidden - 2nd - 20/Sep/08

Hidden - Lead O/S - Aug/08

liz77 - Lead O/S - 27/Jul/08 with HRC

Hidden - Lead O/S - 23/Jul/08

Hidden - 2nd - Jul/08

buzby78 - Lead - 28/Jun/08

Hidden - Lead rpt - 07/Jun/08

Wilbur - 2nd O/S - 20/May/08 with Gareth

Hidden - Lead O/S - 15/May/08

Abi Chard - Lead O/S - 15/May/08 with Ian

ksjs - Lead rpt - 12/May/08 with jose

Hidden - 2nd - 10/May/08

Hidden - 2nd - 10/May/08

Hidden - May/08

jimsrankin - Lead O/S - May/08 with Mel

Hidden - Lead - May/08

Matt Vigg - 2008

ian caton - 2nd - 2008 with Abi

barni - Lead - 2008 with Liam fleming

Hidden - 2008

Hidden - AltLd - 2008

Hidden - 2008

joe larner - Lead O/S - 24/Oct/07

Samsungl - 2nd - 24/Oct/07 with Joe Larner

the juicy dangler - Lead O/S - 20/Oct/07 with carlene hill

Carly - 2nd - 20/Oct/07 with Richard

Sgt. Vest - Lead O/S - 20/Oct/07 with gareth thomas

Marti999 - Lead O/S - 06/Oct/07

sammoore - 2nd O/S - 13/Sep/07 with Ivan Holroyd

JPGR - 2nd O/S - 28/Jul/07 with Paul

cem - Lead O/S - 23/Jun/07 with Rob Smithies

ritchierich - 2nd O/S - 05/Jun/07 with Bob Dickson

Dan 85 - Lead O/S - 04/Jun/07 with Jonny

lukea - Lead O/S - Jun/07 with Al

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 05/May/07

richardr - May/07

Pythonist - Lead O/S - 29/Apr/07 with Dave Barlow

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 18/Apr/07

Had an absolute nightmare. Crap gear all the way along the traverse (admittedly, 2 decent bits at the end), then stood on the ledge for at least 15 mins trying to find a sensible way off it. Finally did the finishing groove scared out of my mind.
adam carless - Lead O/S - 12/Apr/07 with SecretSquirrel

DavidR - Lead O/S - 08/Apr/07 with Holly Adamthwaite

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 08/Apr/07

blancbleu - 2nd O/S - 20/Mar/07 with Tim

Rob Kennard - 2007

zero six - Lead O/S - 2007

Chris the Tall - 2nd - 14/Oct/06 with Simon Shaw

John Kettle - AltLd - 08/Sep/06

Bern - Sep/06

Hidden - Lead O/S - 12/Aug/06

Found this technically very easy for the grade (thought 4c/5a) and was surprised by the "much fallen off" tag. Neil tought hard 5b though (!) so maybe I was just climbing well, and admittedly at the blunt end of the rope. Nice route.
Si dH - 2nd O/S - 05/Aug/06 with Neil Furniss

ewen - 2nd O/S - 04/Aug/06 with paul james

Shaw Brown - 2nd - 08/Jul/06 with Chris King

Owain Llewelyn - Lead - Mar/06 with Dad

Ian McNeill - 2006

Hidden - 2006

Hidden - 2006

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 2006

rob.grafton - AltLd - 2006 with Bruce

Hidden - Lead O/S - 05/Oct/05

Hidden - 2nd - 09/Jul/05

michael burrows - Lead - 21/Jun/05 with mike hammill

Hidden - 2nd - Jun/05

a_radiohead_fan - 2005

akhughes - Lead - 2005

Luke Brooks - 2005

Alex Mason - 2nd O/S - 2005 with Steve Ramsden

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 2004

Mark Kemball - 12/Jul/03 with Nic Dill

Mark Riley - 2nd β - Jun/03 with Stuart Greenall

The Pylon King - Lead O/S - May/03 with steve c

Hidden - Lead O/S - 10/Apr/03

Hard crux move
Siderunner - 2nd - 27/Aug/01 with Paul M

agagsgrot - 2nd O/S - Jul/01 with Pete

Dave Musgrove - 2nd rpt - May/01 with Italian guy?

dan gibson - Lead O/S - 2001 with helen gibson

RossG - 2001

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 16/Jul/00

belay bunny turned bad - 2000

Ed Booth - Lead O/S - 2000

Roget - Lead O/S - 13/Jun/99

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 03/May/99

1st ever lead
wolf.leeb - Lead O/S - 1999

Colin Edwards - 2nd - 15/Aug/98

Julian Wedd - 1998

Hidden - Lead - 1998

stuart100 - Lead O/S - 05/Jul/97 with Claire Graham

Duncan I - Jul/97 with Simon Coles

tlr - Lead - 17/May/97 with Fran

GuyM - 1996

michael burrows - Lead rpt - 30/Apr/95 with richard parry

Hidden - AltLd - 1995

An upside down, flaring jam is the key I seem to remember, even after 20 years.
charlesmfrench - Lead O/S - 05/Aug/94 with Cliff

ste_d - 2nd O/S - 18/Jun/94 with mik

Budge - AltLd O/S - Jun/93 with Richard Teed

Hidden - 2nd - 18/Mar/93

Hidden - Lead - 14/Jul/92

WB - Lead O/S - 1992

Hidden - Lead - 1992

mark-abz - Lead - 26/Aug/91 with Andy W

Hidden - 2nd - 20/Aug/91

NickJH - Lead - Aug/91 with DWilliams

Hidden - 2nd - 14/May/91

Hidden - Lead - 03/May/91

Ched - Lead O/S - 1991 with Glanfor

AlanLittle - Lead - Sep/90 with Carl Blakeley

Hidden - AltLd - 10/Aug/90

steve taylor - Lead - Jun/90 with neil willets

Hidden - 2nd - 05/May/90

Hidden - 2nd - 28/Apr/90

Hidden - Lead - 28/Apr/90

michael burrows - Lead rpt - 01/Apr/90 with brian jones

Hidden - 1990

hard at the time
michaelb1 - Lead - Aug/89

Hidden - 2nd - 15/Jul/89

ChrisJD - 2nd - 27/May/89

Hidden - 2nd - 11/May/88

Dave Musgrove - Lead - 01/May/88 with Pete Finklaire, David

rogerskews - AltLd - 14/Jun/87 with Bryn Roberts

John Marsland - 2nd - 24/May/87 with Neil Bulloch

Nick Biven - Lead - 05/May/87

Hidden - Lead - 17/Apr/87

neil3965 - 1986

Ian Clare - 1985

sadams - Lead - 22/Aug/84 with Chris Thwaites

Mark Kemball - 2nd - 31/Jul/83 with Bill McKee

Tenko - 2nd O/S - 03/Jun/83 with Nick Rice

nigehughes - Lead - Jun/83

nigehughes - Lead - Jun/83 with Pete Kay

Hidden - Lead O/S - Jul/80

robinsi197 - 1980 with Barbara

Hidden - 1980

Falko - AltLd O/S - 1980 with Howard Lancashire

Hidden - Lead - 1980

Hidden - 1980

Nigel Bond - Lead - 13/May/79 with Andy Brown

climbed in 60's
David Smith - Lead - 22/Sep/77

Mark Kemball - Lead - 16/Sep/76 with George Mumford

Ian Jones - Lead O/S - Jul/76 with Chris Newton

beaumap - AltLd - Jun/76 with Bernie Green

Hidden - Lead - 29/May/76

Mike Owen - 17/Apr/76 with John Roberts

Derek Ryden - AltLd O/S - Apr/76 with Martin Smith

mikej - 2nd - 25/Oct/75 with John Bickerdyke

Hidden - Jul/75

Bolt Phobia - Lead - 05/Mar/75

petemeads - Lead - 1974

granitbahn - AltLd - 1974

Andy Say - Lead - 1974

Very close to our limit. A good climax to our 1968 climbing holiday.
Gordon Stainforth - 2nd - 26/Aug/68 with John Stainforth

mikej - Lead - 15/Apr/67 with Geoff Williams

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Style of ascent

Lead147 of 319 (46.1%)
Followed103 of 319 (32.3%)
Toproped1 of 319 (0.3%)
Alt Leads17 of 319 (5.3%)
Unknown51 of 319 (16.0%)

'Climbed'168 of 319 (52.7%)
clean O/S123 of 319 (38.6%)
clean β2 of 319 (0.6%)
clean rpt17 of 319 (5.3%)
clean RP1 of 319 (0.3%)
dogged6 of 319 (1.9%)
dnf2 of 319 (0.6%)