JackM92 - AltLd O/S - 01/Apr/15
Rod Strachan - AltLd - 31/Mar/15 with Mike Brian
Hidden - 2nd O/S - 15/Mar/15
Hidden - Lead O/S - 15/Mar/15
mikeyjbs - AltLd O/S - 15/Mar/15 with Tony Seale
Dansteck - 2nd - 14/Mar/15 with Will Mannors
fantastic final pitch, in great weather
alex toomey - AltLd O/S - 10/Mar/15 with Andrew Latham, Robert Taylor
mzchambers - AltLd O/S - 04/Mar/15 with Nathan
A superb mixed climb, lead first and last pitches.
Nath93 - AltLd O/S - 04/Mar/15
Hidden - AltLd - 27/Feb/15
Hidden - AltLd - 27/Feb/15
Scotsken - AltLd O/S - 25/Feb/15 with Jamie Evans
rob16 - AltLd - 25/Feb/15 with Matt Brook
wi11 - 2nd rpt - 25/Feb/15 with Tom G
Did in 4 short pitches what an awesome route!!!! Lead pitches two and four continuous interest throughout. Powder and spindrift made it hard work but well worth it.
aljones91 - AltLd - 16/Feb/15 with Ben hester
Hidden - AltLd - 07/Feb/15
Quality route like
calumhicks - AltLd O/S - 07/Feb/15 with Adam Harris
as expected, hooked out and in-situ gear all over the place. Enjoyed the climbing though. Three parties on the route at the same time with us stuck in the middle...
michael83 - AltLd O/S - 06/Feb/15 with Stuart Kennedy
s kennedy - Lead O/S - 06/Feb/15 with michel mcghie
Hidden - AltLd O/S - 05/Feb/15
led 1st pitch- nice moves early in the blocky chimney, but apart form the vertical swimming! josh led main section, really good climbing! then i finished pitch 3,
Tom Redmond - AltLd O/S - 05/Feb/15 with Oliver Ross, Joshua Willett
Hidden - 2nd O/S - 05/Feb/15
Andrew1 - AltLd - 30/Jan/15 with Ben
Hidden - Lead O/S - 27/Jan/15
chris smith - AltLd O/S - 27/Jan/15
andybroadway - 2nd - 24/Jan/15 with Ole Kemi, Mark Gorin
What a great route.
olekemi - AltLd O/S - 24/Jan/15 with Andy B, Mark G
Lots of unhelpful powder which made things tricky. But great hooks and gear.
gavmac - AltLd - 23/Jan/15
Bit of a baptism of fire! Pinged off a couple of times at the start.
gurumed - 2nd dog - 17/Jan/15 with Brian
Brian Pollock - Lead O/S - 17/Jan/15 with Gordon
Nick Wallis - 2015 with Phil Bent
plain kitten - 2015
In two pitches. Lead P2, crux corner. Fairly steady, but quite awkward leaving the belay. Conditions are pretty good at the moment, just a bit powdery in places.
alexm198 - AltLd O/S - 13/Dec/14 with Ross
Tim Rodgers - AltLd - 05/Dec/14 with Mike Lea
Hidden - AltLd O/S - 04/Dec/14
good early season conditions
Andy Nisbet - 03/Dec/14
graeme gatherer - Dec/14 with Rab, Steve Elliot
Hidden - 28/Mar/14
aebewick - 2nd - 15/Jan/14
MonkeyDawson - AltLd - 12/Jan/14 with James Gordon
Jim led P1, Adam led P2 to P4 (P3+P4 combined)
adam clarke - AltLd O/S - 12/Jan/14 with James Hulme
jon22 - AltLd - 11/Jan/14 with john nesbit
Matt Harle - AltLd dnf - 08/Jan/14
Strong wind and windchill made this quite a challenge for me. The technicality was OK and the snow was good in many places, too soft for tools in others. Nearly blown off while doing the easy bit after the final crux!
Richard Thombs - 2nd rpt - 08/Jan/14 with Mark Walker
edmitchell - AltLd O/S - 04/Jan/14 with Phil Wake
AndyDWilson - 2nd O/S - 04/Jan/14
petereynolds - AltLd - 04/Jan/14 with Stu
Hidden - Lead O/S - Jan/14
Si - 2014
Alexclimbs - AltLd O/S - 2014
Hidden - 2014
GordonAinslie - 2014
alasdair19 - 2014
In 2 pitches. Good route
peter.herd - AltLd - 22/Dec/13 with Uisdean Hawthorn
Uisdean hawthorn - AltLd O/S - 22/Dec/13 with peter.herd
wi11 - AltLd O/S - 19/Dec/13 with Will S, Brian
Great weather, great mixed climbing conditions, great day out.
freudy_love - Lead rpt - 25/Nov/13 with Squirrel
Mine2209 - Lead O/S - 22/Nov/13 with Rob Maxted
Hidden - AltLd O/S - 10/Nov/13
ferdia - AltLd O/S - 09/Nov/13 with Adam Russell
Hidden - AltLd rpt - 09/Nov/13
graeme gatherer - Nov/13
Wojttek - AltLd O/S - 13/Apr/13 with Danii
BUZZ1984 - 2nd dog - 17/Mar/13 with James Clapham
Hidden - AltLd - 11/Mar/13
In very wintery conditions, where I had to excavate loads of powder snow in every move - hence hard! Took a very short fall a few metres below the crux due to carelessness - gutted... Sustained all the way and excellent climb!
masa-alpin - Lead dog - 09/Mar/13 with Lee P
Good conditions though some cracks quite iced up. Found it hard due to lack of winter climbing this season but getting into it by the end
jandyd05 - 2nd O/S - 23/Feb/13 with Dave Kenyon
JRae - 2nd - 17/Feb/13 with Ben Silvestre, M Watson
Pete Rigby - AltLd O/S - 16/Feb/13 with Merlin March, Kelli Roberts
kelliroberts3 - AltLd O/S - 16/Feb/13 with merlin march, Peter Rigby
Interesting with wrist leashes
Gumery - 2nd O/S - 03/Feb/13
Fantastic route,great conditions, lots of gear lots of bomber hooks what more could you want?
Sam Simpson - Lead O/S - 03/Feb/13 with Jonathan Gumery
PAJames - 01/Feb/13
Brilliant climb. Bomber hooks where you need them and the route is in excellent condition at the moment. Great lead by Jamie B on the crux!
benclimbing - AltLd O/S - 01/Feb/13 with Jamie Bankhead, graham boistelle
Buttress well covered, but not too much clearing. Benchmark IV,6
Jamie B - AltLd - 01/Feb/13 with Ben Cooling, Graham Boistelle
Charlie Zephyr Booth - Lead O/S - Feb/13 with michael kirby
clams - AltLd - Feb/13 with PR&K
grp - Lead O/S - 31/Jan/13
Had a couple of rests on the crux corner. Hard work but good fun.
Strachan - 2nd dog - 31/Jan/13
Hidden - AltLd - 31/Jan/13
PeteLoveless - 2nd - 26/Jan/13 with Jon McCune
Adam Booth - AltLd O/S - 25/Jan/13 with Steve Seale
gowla - AltLd O/S - 25/Jan/13 with adam booth
Good conditions,very cold but cracks mostly free of ice. Dave made a good job of the crux.
furbrow - AltLd - 16/Jan/13 with Dave A
Lots of powder to clear!
al99 - AltLd O/S - 15/Jan/13 with Rob Patchett
ollyroberts - Lead O/S - 14/Jan/13 with Piers Newton
piersnewton - 2nd O/S - 14/Jan/13 with Olly Roberts
wheelsucker - Lead - 13/Jan/13
Decent conditions, led the crux pitch
Jay C - AltLd O/S - 01/Jan/13 with Mark C
Hidden - AltLd rpt - 01/Jan/13
Hidden - 01/Jan/13
Hidden - 2013
gavmac - AltLd - 30/Dec/12 with Steve Paget
Scott Rankin - AltLd O/S - 27/Dec/12
joeydurkin - AltLd - 26/Dec/12 with Jockey
Led all 3 pitches
abbeywall - Lead O/S - 26/Dec/12 with K
centurion05 - AltLd rpt - 24/Dec/12 with Ben thynne
Phoebus - Lead O/S - 20/Dec/12
Amazing weather and a quality route. Nice steep 2nd pitch!
buzby78 - AltLd O/S - 18/Dec/12 with Glenn
rufus.duits - Solo - 17/Dec/12
Hidden - 2nd dog - 17/Dec/12
First winter climb. Understandably a few rests.
blue_sundown - 2nd - 16/Dec/12 with Will, NUMC
willhawkins - Lead O/S - 16/Dec/12
glenngordon - AltLd O/S - 11/Dec/12 with kenny o'brien, neill busby
Led 2nd,3rd and 4th pitches. 3rd (crux) pitch has 10m of quite sustained technical 6 which I think warrants grade V.
Andrew Sloan - AltLd - 10/Dec/12 with Ben Sharp
Ben Sharp - AltLd - 10/Dec/12 with Andrew Sloan
Hidden - 2nd - 04/Nov/12
tom.e - AltLd O/S - 03/Nov/12 with Calum
Hidden - AltLd O/S - 27/Oct/12
P1 and P3
Andrew Wilson - AltLd O/S - 23/Apr/12 with Chris Vernon
Turf unfrozen, soft snow & no ice. Meant to climb Pot of Gold but I continued too far up the message by mistake. Kirill led the crux, after which we veered right and climbed the top pitch of Pot of Gold.
Big Lee - AltLd O/S - 21/Apr/12 with Kirill Spiridonov
After the main corner went right and linked it with the last pitch of Pot of Gold.
Kirill - AltLd O/S - 21/Apr/12 with Lee Harrison
A good day out considering the weather was worryingly warm on the walk in.
GaryK - AltLd O/S - 07/Apr/12 with James Edwards
nia - AltLd O/S - 11/Feb/12 with harry
Good hooks, found very top corner the hardest!
J1PEF - 2nd - 02/Feb/12 with Neil Mackay
mark88 - Lead - 31/Jan/12 with Jennie Crook
Jen Crook - 2nd - 31/Jan/12 with Mark Patterson
Brilliant route with nice hooks and gear where required.
ksneds - AltLd - 28/Jan/12 with Jack
Somerset swede basher - Lead O/S - 28/Jan/12 with Jon Miles
The Mountain Goat - 2nd - 28/Jan/12 with Dom Sellers
Managed to outclimb the freezing level as it rose through the day, good nick. Quality corner pitch.
Kayan - Lead O/S - 24/Jan/12 with Matt J Roberts
roberts1234567890 - 2nd - 24/Jan/12 with James Hoar
J p1, Me p2 + p3. Nice enough route, powder on all areas, Nae neve, turf where found was frozen, found getting up the step before the main crux the hardest bit, windy as fook at summit belay, almost froze solid.
unsure if p3 was correct though.. went left after crux over blocks toward a bay, pulled up overhanging block then traversed right on thin powder covered edge then up twin cracks on a slab to the top. fucking scary and sketchy in the wind!
sneaks - AltLd O/S - 23/Jan/12 with janey
Hidden - AltLd - 23/Jan/12
dan doran - 08/Jan/12 with Gav swinton
Neil D - Lead O/S - 06/Jan/12 with Beth Hodgett
Betha. - 2nd O/S - 06/Jan/12 with Neil D
Lead crux corner which was bang tidy, well protected & good moves.
Lamb - AltLd - 05/Jan/12
pete87abs - AltLd O/S - Jan/12 with Rosie Crossley, rob
Pay Attention - 2nd - 20/Dec/11
Great route, with good sections on all four pitches. In good condition, except that the crux corner pitch wasn't as white as I'd have liked it to be (but still in decent winter nick with a lot of the cracks chocked with snow and ice, so not much hooking on bare rock). Unconsolidated snow added to the fun, particularly at the top of P3. Great belays and good gear throughout. Not sure it's really tech 6 as all the hooks were really good but plenty of 5. Hardest IV I've ever done, deserves a V really as it's quite sustained, though the gear is good and there are plenty of rests. Started a bit late, towards noon. Paul led the easy section of P1 and I took over after that. After the crux corner I went left for a bit, then up and right and finished up Pot of Gold but don't think it made much difference. Got to a belay point 20 metres of easy ground away from the top just as it was getting dark. Paul took over two hours to second due to a combination of not being able to communicate (had radios but didn't bother getting them out, should have done!), having a poor head torch and finding it quite tough. Dropped down the Headwall to escape the wind and walked out in fresh snow, eventually picking up the track. Back at the car park around 9.30pm.
Misha - Lead O/S - 19/Dec/11 with Paul
luckyjim - AltLd - 18/Dec/11 with D Helm
A lot trickier than last time, quite a bit of unconsolidated snow and not as much helpful ice in the back of the corners. That, plus it seemed I was climbing like a donkey :D Good lead by Dave up the main corner.
freudy_love - AltLd rpt - 17/Dec/11 with Dave Douglas
Felt hard due to covering of snow the night before. My first tech 6 lead! I'll be a proper winter climber before long.
Dave Douglas - AltLd O/S - 17/Dec/11 with Paul Freudenthal
Led the crux corner and upper corner. Great route, with bomber gear and hooks. Crux was good fun!
Ken Applegate - AltLd - 12/Dec/11 with Hannah Evans
Hannah Evans - AltLd - 12/Dec/11 with Ken Applegate
Tom Livingstone - AltLd O/S - 11/Dec/11 with sam radcliffe
did in 3 pitches. led 1 and 3.
samrad - AltLd O/S - 10/Dec/11 with tom livingstone
Hidden - AltLd O/S - 10/Dec/11
Absolutely mobbed as usual on a Saturday, near enough only route that was free! Still nice climbing with some bullet hard ice.
geoff.comley - Lead O/S - 10/Dec/11 with Pat Ingram
Mowglee - AltLd O/S - 10/Dec/11 with Conor
Hidden - Lead O/S - 09/Dec/11
Hidden - AltLd - 07/Dec/11
Hidden - AltLd O/S - 07/Dec/11
Hidden - AltLd - 04/Dec/11
ClimberMH - AltLd O/S - 04/Dec/11 with Jacob Davies
Hidden - AltLd - 04/Dec/11
Hidden - AltLd - Dec/11
jamesturnbull - AltLd - Dec/11 with aiden
Hidden - AltLd - Nov/11
settling a 3 year old grudge. good start to the season.
BallsOfSteel - AltLd - 20/Oct/11 with IainMunro
Hidden - AltLd - 20/Oct/11
Hidden - AltLd - Mar/11
'ard, but well protected.
Jimmy1976 - 2nd O/S - 27/Feb/11
Sustained,very good value.
DPaul - Lead O/S - 27/Feb/11
tjmillen - Lead - 12/Feb/11 with vicky
mikemartin - AltLd - 11/Feb/11
Finally got round to doing this route to see what all the fuss was about. Good neve on ledges and even ice at the back of the crux corner which Mike led. I think climbing this route in powder and frozen gravel would be my idea of hell, great line though.
Captain Solo - AltLd - 11/Feb/11 with Mike
Hidden - AltLd O/S - 10/Feb/11
Hidden - Lead - Feb/11
rcammack - AltLd O/S - 30/Jan/11 with Harry Holmes
lead pitches 1 and 3. corner pitch was really nice, bomber hooks all the way. felt really secure too
Harry Holmes - AltLd O/S - 30/Jan/11 with Robbie Cammack
Hidden - 2nd O/S - 30/Jan/11
Petarghh - AltLd O/S - 08/Jan/11 with cavemanjack
Lead the 3 main pitchs.
Jack Loftus - AltLd O/S - 08/Jan/11 with Pete Hill
Hidden - 2nd - 05/Jan/11
Martin Haworth - Lead O/S - 03/Jan/11 with richard white
Hidden - 2nd dog - 03/Jan/11
stevebarratt - Lead O/S - 03/Jan/11 with Jade Littlewood
Great nick, lovely route :)
sebrider - AltLd - 02/Jan/11 with Alex
Hidden - 2011
adie84 - 2011
alkira - 2011
Hidden - 2011
Hidden - 2011
David Sherratt - Lead O/S - 2011
Hidden - 2nd - 30/Dec/10
Hidden - 11/Dec/10
Hidden - AltLd O/S - 23/Nov/10
Lead 1st Pitch, Fantastic
Daniel Sutherland - AltLd O/S - 22/Nov/10 with Pat
Great climb, well protected. Snow not quite consolidated, so pulling out of the crux groove was interesting.
jfmchivall - AltLd O/S - 21/Nov/10 with Iain Smith
Inti - AltLd - 21/Nov/10 with John Chivall
t_stork - AltLd - 20/Nov/10 with Steve Walls
Hidden - AltLd - 20/Nov/10
robertmichaeladams - AltLd - 20/Nov/10 with Lawrence
One slip low down.
wence - AltLd dog - 20/Nov/10 with Rob
Pete Graham - AltLd O/S - 14/Nov/10 with tom, James Monypenny
barni - 2nd - 14/Nov/10 with Rob
Hidden - AltLd O/S - 13/Nov/10
Hidden - AltLd - 13/Nov/10
Hidden - AltLd O/S - 10/Nov/10
lachlan - AltLd - Nov/10
A dropped Belay plate, Big Leader Fall. Decided enough was enough and Abbed off from the crux pitch, The route was in great nick though!
Daniel Sutherland - 2nd dnf - 24/Oct/10 with Peter
could do with a wee bit more consolidation freezing but in nick jus now, the top corner is a belter!
simon_D - AltLd O/S - 24/Oct/10 with Tom
Hidden - AltLd O/S - 24/Oct/10
jonnie3430 - AltLd O/S - 20/Oct/10 with Emily, Sian
SianR - 2nd - 20/Oct/10 with Jonnie and Emily
Hidden - AltLd - 20/Oct/10
Lovely day but bit warm and mushy. Everything dripping, water running down behind the ice and were getting bombed on all day long!! 2 good interesting tricky mixed corner pitches, both excellently protected.
freudy_love - Lead O/S - 17/Mar/10 with Stewart Munro
Struggled up the route in not the best conditions, luckily the weather was good.
telemarker - 2nd dog - 17/Mar/10 with Paul Freudenthal
gaizka - 2nd - 23/Feb/10 with Dave
robertmichaeladams - AltLd - 14/Feb/10 with Tom
lots of snow! warm too. brilliant route
tomdude - AltLd - 14/Feb/10 with rob
Hidden - AltLd - 08/Feb/10
Hidden - AltLd O/S - 07/Feb/10
a lot of snow about!!
Ally Baba - AltLd O/S - 07/Feb/10 with R. Mcmurry
Hidden - AltLd O/S - 07/Feb/10
John Pickles - AltLd O/S - 07/Feb/10 with Zac Poulton
tried it under alot of rime and snow. fell on the last pitch after getting pumped clearing snow for gear. a hex and peg held myt fall but we decided to call it a day and abbed off
Ginger McGrath - AltLd dnf - 06/Feb/10 with callum taylor
Interesting day was had by all... Bit more air time than intended for both of us and we abbed off as the pull to the ceilidh was stronger than the pull to the plateau.
Will definitely go back for another try.
Callum T - AltLd dnf - 06/Feb/10 with Graham McGrath
Hidden - AltLd dnf - 31/Jan/10
Hidden - 2nd - 27/Jan/10
Bloody tough climbing!!
Tile Diver - AltLd O/S - 2010 with Rossi
Hidden - AltLd - 2010
newtonmore - 2010
Very cold and super icy which made the route easier and a bit bolder especially at the top....2 hours to do the route then 5 hours to drive back to Edinburgh on a snowy A9!!
Chad123 - AltLd rpt - 20/Dec/09 with Steve and Humble
D.Russell - AltLd O/S - 18/Dec/09 with Adam
Hidden - AltLd O/S - 18/Dec/09
Very easy nick, pre made ice hooks all the way! Great climbing tho, will be back to do it in a blizzard and a foot of powder rime.
andymoin - AltLd O/S - 13/Dec/09 with Niel Silver
First steep mixed climb, another quality day in the Norries
geoff.comley - 2nd O/S - 12/Dec/09 with Pat Ingram
Also Sandy Simpson joined us.
Pete Main - AltLd O/S - 12/Dec/09 with Rab
rob1 - AltLd - 12/Dec/09 with sandy simpson, Pete Main
Greg Boswell - AltLd O/S - 07/Dec/09 with James Dunn
Hidden - AltLd rpt - 02/Dec/09
lachlan - 02/Dec/09 with James MacLeod
An interesting introduction to steep mixed climbing, with interesting weather to match
Lawrie Brand - 2nd O/S - 29/Nov/09 with Al Goodridge
Hidden - AltLd O/S - 28/Nov/09
Hidden - AltLd O/S - 28/Nov/09
Alco-nomic - AltLd - Nov/09 with Andy Wardle
Hidden - AltLd O/S - Nov/09
Great fun, lead all pitches (Mallards 3rd winter route!) - lots of interest on all pitches especially the crux corner. Windy on the plateau!
Chad123 - Lead O/S - 29/Mar/09 with Jo
Hidden - AltLd - 06/Mar/09
Hidden - AltLd - Mar/09
Hidden - Lead - 24/Jan/09
Crux-get high up in the corner then reach up high on left-hand wall. Right hand wall crack also possible.
Ste Ridd - 2nd dnf - 24/Jan/09 with M.Sadler
Hidden - Lead dnf - 23/Jan/09
Neilm18 - 2nd dnf - 23/Jan/09 with Mark Mosgrove
markjarvie - 2009 with scott becker
gaz.marshall - AltLd O/S - 14/Dec/08 with Steve H
Stated up Melting put but took longer than expected, so finnished up the 2nd and 3rd pitches of Message!
mgeek - AltLd O/S - Dec/08 with Rob Aide
hooking and torquing a plenty. Some wild moves but thankfully great gear throughout. Brilliant.
jazzyjackson - AltLd - 01/Nov/08 with Jimbob
French Erick - AltLd O/S - 28/Oct/08 with Dave Kerr, Karl Atherton
Hidden - AltLd - 26/Mar/08
mikecopp - AltLd - 26/Mar/08 with Dan Currie
Superb torque fest
breithorn4164 - AltLd O/S - 16/Mar/08 with Jackson
Matthallinan - AltLd - 11/Mar/08 with Jon Winter
Hidden - AltLd dog - Jan/08
Hidden - 2008
Hidden - 2008
peebles boy - 2nd - 2008
Fultonius - AltLd - 30/Dec/07 with Malcolm Airey
best mised route ive done in scotland, climbing at my limit after 3 yrs out
James W - Dec/07 with graeme
peterp - AltLd - Dec/07 with Sully
Backed off due to one of party unable to follow
Brown - AltLd dnf - 25/Nov/07 with Andy Hobbs
Jim Haydock - 2nd - 09/Mar/07 with Stuart Mc aleese
awsome route, though was a little bare which made it destinctly tricky
dave_tomlin - 2nd - 18/Feb/07 with Tom Evans
barney_edin - AltLd - 05/Feb/07 with Adam H
akhughes - AltLd O/S - Feb/07
Hidden - 2007
Hidden - 2007
sgl - Lead O/S - 22/Nov/06 with henry
Jim Haydock - 2nd - 09/Mar/06 with G. Ettle & Owen Samuels
Hidden - 2nd O/S - Mar/06
Hidden - 2nd O/S - 19/Feb/06
Neil Adams - AltLd O/S - 2006 with Andy Inglis
Smelly Fox - AltLd O/S - 20/Feb/05 with Ian Bryant
andyinglis - AltLd O/S - 2005 with neil adams
Dangerous Dave - Lead O/S - 2005
Very poor, no ice!
ruaridhmac - AltLd - 21/Nov/04 with Dave Cowan
whispering nic - AltLd - Nov/04 with Tweedley
Valdres Fjellguider - AltLd O/S - 2004 with Andy Munro
Hidden - Lead dnf - 28/Dec/03
Hidden - 2003
mikeyjbs - 2nd dog - 29/Dec/02 with will woodhead
towdman - AltLd O/S - 18/Dec/02 with Daniel Armitage
DerwentDiluted - 2nd - Jan/02 with Chris Pearson
frost - Feb/01
Yourlead - 2nd - 19/Jan/01 with Graham Penny
Hidden - AltLd - 04/Nov/00
Dave Kerr - Lead - 27/Dec/99 with Iain Sharpe
NeilGriffiths - 04/Dec/99 with James, Simon
MRT call out!
dangates - AltLd - 08/Jan/99 with Alison Davey/ Pete Watson
Hidden - AltLd O/S - 17/Jan/98
Lone Rider - AltLd - 1998
innes - AltLd O/S - 1998
1st oitch only then up Hybrid?
Yourlead - 2nd dnf - 28/Dec/97 with Graham Penny
tlr - AltLd - 14/Feb/97 with Pete D
Heavy conditions. Crazy weather. Great Stuff.
TobyA - AltLd O/S - 02/Jan/97 with Ed
Hidden - AltLd - 1997
Hidden - Feb/94
TheAndyBarker - AltLd - Jan/93
Hidden - AltLd - Dec/89