The Message*** IV 6
[Ron on last corner pitch of the Message (common pitch with Hybrid), 2 kb]115m, 2 pitches. Follow the diagonal break up and left crossing a few problematic steps, to below the much-photographed corner and belay. Climb the wonderful corner, step left and head up and left up grooves to the summit and belay. Can be done in two full 60m pitches (but have heard of people doing it in four.)

Ticklists: Cairngorm Winter Climbs.

Photo: Ron on last corner pitch of the Message (common pitch with Hybrid) © Ron Walker
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This climb is in 253 logbooks, and on 60 wishlists.

Hidden - 28/Mar/14

aebewick - 2nd - 15/Jan/14

MonkeyDawson - AltLd - 12/Jan/14 with James Gordon

Jim led P1, Adam led P2 to P4 (P3+P4 combined)
adam clarke - AltLd O/S - 12/Jan/14 with James Hulme

jon22 - AltLd - 11/Jan/14 with john nesbit

Matt Harle - AltLd dnf - 08/Jan/14

Strong wind and windchill made this quite a challenge for me. The technicality was OK and the snow was good in many places, too soft for tools in others. Nearly blown off while doing the easy bit after the final crux!
Richard Thombs - 2nd rpt - 08/Jan/14 with Mark Walker

edmitchell - AltLd O/S - 04/Jan/14 with Phil Wake

andy16 - 2nd O/S - 04/Jan/14

petereynolds - AltLd - 04/Jan/14 with Stu

Si - 2014

Alexclimbs - AltLd O/S - 2014

Hidden - 2014

gordigotama - 2014

In 2 pitches. Good route
peter.herd - AltLd - 22/Dec/13 with Uisdean Hawthorn

Uisdean hawthorn - AltLd O/S - 22/Dec/13 with peter.herd

wi11 - AltLd O/S - 19/Dec/13 with Will S, Brian

Great weather, great mixed climbing conditions, great day out.
freudy_love - Lead rpt - 25/Nov/13 with Squirrel

Mine2209 - Lead O/S - 22/Nov/13 with Rob Maxted

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 10/Nov/13

ferdia - AltLd O/S - 09/Nov/13 with Adam Russell

Hidden - AltLd rpt - 09/Nov/13

graeme gatherer - Nov/13

Wojttek - AltLd O/S - 13/Apr/13 with Danii

BUZZ1984 - 2nd dog - 17/Mar/13 with James Clapham

Hidden - AltLd - 11/Mar/13

In very wintery conditions, where I had to excavate loads of powder snow in every move - hence hard! Took a very short fall a few metres below the crux due to carelessness - gutted... Sustained all the way and excellent climb!
masa-alpin - Lead dog - 09/Mar/13 with Lee P

Good conditions though some cracks quite iced up. Found it hard due to lack of winter climbing this season but getting into it by the end
jandyd05 - 2nd O/S - 23/Feb/13 with Dave Kenyon

JRae - 2nd - 17/Feb/13 with Ben Silvestre, M Watson

Pete Rigby - AltLd O/S - 16/Feb/13 with Merlin March, Kelli Roberts

kelliroberts3 - AltLd O/S - 16/Feb/13 with merlin march, Peter Rigby

Interesting with wrist leashes
Gumery - 2nd O/S - 03/Feb/13

Fantastic route,great conditions, lots of gear lots of bomber hooks what more could you want?
Sam Simpson - Lead O/S - 03/Feb/13 with Jonathan Gumery

http://pjmountains.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/01-02-13-coire-t-sneachda-winter.html
PAJames - 01/Feb/13

Brilliant climb. Bomber hooks where you need them and the route is in excellent condition at the moment. Great lead by Jamie B on the crux!
benclimbing - AltLd O/S - 01/Feb/13 with Jamie Bankhead, graham boistelle

Buttress well covered, but not too much clearing. Benchmark IV,6
Jamie B - AltLd - 01/Feb/13 with Ben Cooling, Graham Boistelle

Charlie Zephyr Booth - Lead O/S - Feb/13 with michael kirby

Led P1
clams - AltLd - Feb/13 with PR&K

grp - Lead O/S - 31/Jan/13

Had a couple of rests on the crux corner. Hard work but good fun.
Strachan - 2nd dog - 31/Jan/13

Hidden - AltLd - 31/Jan/13

PeteLoveless - 2nd - 26/Jan/13 with Jon McCune

Awesome!
Adam Booth - AltLd O/S - 25/Jan/13 with Steve Seale

gowla - AltLd O/S - 25/Jan/13 with adam booth

Good conditions,very cold but cracks mostly free of ice. Dave made a good job of the crux.
furbrow - AltLd - 16/Jan/13 with Dave A

Lots of powder to clear!
al99 - AltLd O/S - 15/Jan/13 with Rob Patchett

All pitches!
ollyroberts - Lead O/S - 14/Jan/13 with Piers Newton

piersnewton - 2nd O/S - 14/Jan/13 with Olly Roberts

wheelsucker - Lead - 13/Jan/13

Decent conditions, led the crux pitch
Jay C - AltLd O/S - 01/Jan/13 with Mark C

Hidden - AltLd rpt - 01/Jan/13

Hidden - 01/Jan/13

Hidden - 2013

Hidden - AltLd - 30/Dec/12

Scott Rankin - AltLd O/S - 27/Dec/12

joeydurkin - AltLd - 26/Dec/12 with Jockey

Led all 3 pitches
abbeywall - Lead O/S - 26/Dec/12 with K

centurion05 - AltLd rpt - 24/Dec/12 with Ben thynne

Phoebus - Lead O/S - 20/Dec/12

Amazing weather and a quality route. Nice steep 2nd pitch!
buzby78 - AltLd O/S - 18/Dec/12 with Glenn

Excellent conditions
rufus.duits - Solo - 17/Dec/12

Hidden - 2nd dog - 17/Dec/12

First winter climb. Understandably a few rests.
blackreaver - 2nd - 16/Dec/12 with Will, NUMC

willhawkins - Lead O/S - 16/Dec/12

glenngordon - AltLd O/S - 11/Dec/12 with kenny o'brien, neill busby

Led 2nd,3rd and 4th pitches. 3rd (crux) pitch has 10m of quite sustained technical 6 which I think warrants grade V.
Andrew Sloan - AltLd - 10/Dec/12 with Ben Sharp

Ben Sharp - AltLd - 10/Dec/12 with Andrew Sloan

Hidden - 2nd - 04/Nov/12

tom.e - AltLd O/S - 03/Nov/12 with Calum

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 27/Oct/12

P1 and P3
Andrew Wilson - AltLd O/S - 23/Apr/12 with Chris Vernon

Turf unfrozen, soft snow & no ice. Meant to climb Pot of Gold but I continued too far up the message by mistake. Kirill led the crux, after which we veered right and climbed the top pitch of Pot of Gold.
Big Lee - AltLd O/S - 21/Apr/12 with Kirill Spiridonov

After the main corner went right and linked it with the last pitch of Pot of Gold.
Kirill - AltLd O/S - 21/Apr/12 with Lee Harrison

A good day out considering the weather was worryingly warm on the walk in.
GaryK - AltLd O/S - 07/Apr/12 with James Edwards

nia - AltLd O/S - 11/Feb/12 with harry

Good hooks, found very top corner the hardest!
J1PEF - 2nd - 02/Feb/12 with Neil Mackay

mark88 - Lead - 31/Jan/12 with Jennie Crook

Jen Crook - 2nd - 31/Jan/12 with Mark Patterson

Brilliant route with nice hooks and gear where required.
ksneds - AltLd - 28/Jan/12 with Jack

Somerset swede basher - Lead O/S - 28/Jan/12 with Jon Miles

The Mountain Goat - 2nd - 28/Jan/12 with Dom Sellers

Managed to outclimb the freezing level as it rose through the day, good nick. Quality corner pitch.
Kayan - Lead O/S - 24/Jan/12 with Matt J Roberts

roberts1234567890 - 2nd - 24/Jan/12 with James Hoar

J p1, Me p2 + p3. Nice enough route, powder on all areas, Nae neve, turf where found was frozen, found getting up the step before the main crux the hardest bit, windy as fook at summit belay, almost froze solid. unsure if p3 was correct though.. went left after crux over blocks toward a bay, pulled up overhanging block then traversed right on thin powder covered edge then up twin cracks on a slab to the top. fucking scary and sketchy in the wind!
sneaks - AltLd O/S - 23/Jan/12 with janey

Hidden - AltLd - 23/Jan/12

dan doran - 08/Jan/12 with Gav swinton

Neil D - Lead O/S - 06/Jan/12 with Beth Hodgett

Betha. - 2nd O/S - 06/Jan/12 with Neil D

Lead crux corner which was bang tidy, well protected & good moves.
Lamb - AltLd - 05/Jan/12

pete87abs - AltLd O/S - Jan/12 with Rosie Crossley, rob

Pay attention - 2nd - 20/Dec/11

Great route, with good sections on all four pitches. In good condition, except that the crux corner pitch wasn't as white as I'd have liked it to be (but still in decent winter nick with a lot of the cracks chocked with snow and ice, so not much hooking on bare rock). Unconsolidated snow added to the fun, particularly at the top of P3. Great belays and good gear throughout. Not sure it's really tech 6 as all the hooks were really good but plenty of 5. Hardest IV I've ever done, deserves a V really as it's quite sustained, though the gear is good and there are plenty of rests. Started a bit late, towards noon. Paul led the easy section of P1 and I took over after that. After the crux corner I went left for a bit, then up and right and finished up Pot of Gold but don't think it made much difference. Got to a belay point 20 metres of easy ground away from the top just as it was getting dark. Paul took over two hours to second due to a combination of not being able to communicate (had radios but didn't bother getting them out, should have done!), having a poor head torch and finding it quite tough. Dropped down the Headwall to escape the wind and walked out in fresh snow, eventually picking up the track. Back at the car park around 9.30pm.
Misha - Lead O/S - 19/Dec/11 with Paul

luckyjim - AltLd - 18/Dec/11 with D Helm

A lot trickier than last time, quite a bit of unconsolidated snow and not as much helpful ice in the back of the corners. That, plus it seemed I was climbing like a donkey :D Good lead by Dave up the main corner.
freudy_love - AltLd rpt - 17/Dec/11 with Dave Douglas

Felt hard due to covering of snow the night before. My first tech 6 lead! I'll be a proper winter climber before long.
Dave Douglas - AltLd O/S - 17/Dec/11 with Paul Freudenthal

Led the crux corner and upper corner. Great route, with bomber gear and hooks. Crux was good fun!
Ken Applegate - AltLd - 12/Dec/11 with Hannah Evans

Hannah Evans - AltLd - 12/Dec/11 with Ken Applegate

Tom Livingstone - AltLd O/S - 11/Dec/11 with sam radcliffe

did in 3 pitches. led 1 and 3.
samrad - AltLd O/S - 10/Dec/11 with tom livingstone

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 10/Dec/11

Absolutely mobbed as usual on a Saturday, near enough only route that was free! Still nice climbing with some bullet hard ice.
geoff.comley - Lead O/S - 10/Dec/11 with Pat Ingram

Mowglee - AltLd O/S - 10/Dec/11 with Conor

Hidden - Lead O/S - 09/Dec/11

Hidden - AltLd - 07/Dec/11

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 07/Dec/11

Hidden - AltLd - 04/Dec/11

ClimberMH - AltLd O/S - 04/Dec/11 with Jacob Davies

Hidden - AltLd - 04/Dec/11

Hidden - AltLd - Dec/11

jamesturnbull - AltLd - Dec/11 with aiden

Hidden - AltLd - Nov/11

settling a 3 year old grudge. good start to the season.
BallsOfSteel - AltLd - 20/Oct/11 with IainMunro

Hidden - AltLd - 20/Oct/11

Hidden - AltLd - Mar/11

'ard, but well protected.
Jimmy1976 - 2nd O/S - 27/Feb/11

Hidden - Lead O/S - 27/Feb/11

tjmillen - Lead - 12/Feb/11 with vicky

mikemartin - AltLd - 11/Feb/11

Finally got round to doing this route to see what all the fuss was about. Good neve on ledges and even ice at the back of the crux corner which Mike led. I think climbing this route in powder and frozen gravel would be my idea of hell, great line though.
Captain Solo - AltLd - 11/Feb/11 with Mike

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 10/Feb/11

Hidden - Lead - Feb/11

rcammack - AltLd O/S - 30/Jan/11 with Harry Holmes

lead pitches 1 and 3. corner pitch was really nice, bomber hooks all the way. felt really secure too
Harry Holmes - AltLd O/S - 30/Jan/11 with Robbie Cammack

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 30/Jan/11

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 08/Jan/11

Lead the 3 main pitchs.
Jack Loftus - AltLd O/S - 08/Jan/11 with Pete Hill

Hidden - 2nd - 05/Jan/11

Martin Haworth - Lead O/S - 03/Jan/11 with richard white

Hidden - 2nd dog - 03/Jan/11

stevebarratt - Lead O/S - 03/Jan/11 with Jade Littlewood

Great nick, lovely route :)
sebrider - AltLd - 02/Jan/11 with Alex

Hidden - 2011

adie84 - 2011

alkira - 2011

Hidden - 2011

Hidden - 2011

David Sherratt - Lead O/S - 2011

Hidden - 2nd - 30/Dec/10

Hidden - 11/Dec/10

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 23/Nov/10

Lead 1st Pitch, Fantastic
Daniel Sutherland - AltLd O/S - 22/Nov/10 with Pat

Great climb, well protected. Snow not quite consolidated, so pulling out of the crux groove was interesting.
jfmchivall - AltLd O/S - 21/Nov/10 with Iain Smith

Inti - AltLd - 21/Nov/10 with John Chivall

t_stork - AltLd - 20/Nov/10 with Steve Walls

Hidden - AltLd - 20/Nov/10

good fun
robertmichaeladams - AltLd - 20/Nov/10 with Lawrence

One slip low down.
wence - AltLd dog - 20/Nov/10 with Rob

Pete Graham - AltLd O/S - 14/Nov/10 with tom, James Monypenny

barni - 2nd - 14/Nov/10 with Rob

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 13/Nov/10

Hidden - AltLd - 13/Nov/10

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 10/Nov/10

lachlan - AltLd - Nov/10

A dropped Belay plate, Big Leader Fall. Decided enough was enough and Abbed off from the crux pitch, The route was in great nick though!
Daniel Sutherland - 2nd dnf - 24/Oct/10 with Peter

could do with a wee bit more consolidation freezing but in nick jus now, the top corner is a belter!
simon_D - AltLd O/S - 24/Oct/10 with Tom

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 24/Oct/10

jonnie3430 - AltLd O/S - 20/Oct/10 with Emily, Sian

SianR - 2nd - 20/Oct/10 with Jonnie and Emily

Hidden - AltLd - 20/Oct/10

Lovely day but bit warm and mushy. Everything dripping, water running down behind the ice and were getting bombed on all day long!! 2 good interesting tricky mixed corner pitches, both excellently protected.
freudy_love - Lead O/S - 17/Mar/10 with Stewart Munro

Struggled up the route in not the best conditions, luckily the weather was good.
telemarker - 2nd dog - 17/Mar/10 with Paul Freudenthal

gaizka - 2nd - 23/Feb/10 with Dave

robertmichaeladams - AltLd - 14/Feb/10 with Tom

lots of snow! warm too. brilliant route
tomdude - AltLd - 14/Feb/10 with rob

Hidden - AltLd - 08/Feb/10

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 07/Feb/10

a lot of snow about!!
Ally Baba - AltLd O/S - 07/Feb/10 with R. Mcmurry

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 07/Feb/10

John Pickles - AltLd O/S - 07/Feb/10 with Zac Poulton

tried it under alot of rime and snow. fell on the last pitch after getting pumped clearing snow for gear. a hex and peg held myt fall but we decided to call it a day and abbed off
Ginger McGrath - AltLd dnf - 06/Feb/10 with callum taylor

Interesting day was had by all... Bit more air time than intended for both of us and we abbed off as the pull to the ceilidh was stronger than the pull to the plateau. Will definitely go back for another try.
Callum T - AltLd dnf - 06/Feb/10 with Graham McGrath

Hidden - AltLd dnf - 31/Jan/10

Hidden - 2nd - 27/Jan/10

Bloody tough climbing!!
Tile Diver - AltLd O/S - 2010 with Rossi

Hidden - AltLd - 2010

newtonmore - 2010

Very cold and super icy which made the route easier and a bit bolder especially at the top....2 hours to do the route then 5 hours to drive back to Edinburgh on a snowy A9!!
Chad123 - AltLd rpt - 20/Dec/09 with Steve and Humble

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 18/Dec/09

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 18/Dec/09

Very easy nick, pre made ice hooks all the way! Great climbing tho, will be back to do it in a blizzard and a foot of powder rime.
andymoin - AltLd O/S - 13/Dec/09 with Niel Silver

First steep mixed climb, another quality day in the Norries
geoff.comley - 2nd O/S - 12/Dec/09 with Pat Ingram

Also Sandy Simpson joined us.
Pete Main - AltLd O/S - 12/Dec/09 with Rab

rob1 - AltLd - 12/Dec/09 with sandy simpson, Pete Main

Greg Boswell - AltLd O/S - 07/Dec/09 with James Dunn

Hidden - AltLd rpt - 02/Dec/09

lachlan - 02/Dec/09 with James MacLeod

An interesting introduction to steep mixed climbing, with interesting weather to match
Lawrie Brand - 2nd O/S - 29/Nov/09 with Al Goodridge

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 28/Nov/09

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 28/Nov/09

great finish
Alco-nomic - AltLd - Nov/09 with Andy Wardle

scottbecker - AltLd O/S - Nov/09 with Mark Jarvie

Great fun, lead all pitches (Mallards 3rd winter route!) - lots of interest on all pitches especially the crux corner. Windy on the plateau!
Chad123 - Lead O/S - 29/Mar/09 with Jo

Hidden - AltLd - 06/Mar/09

Hidden - AltLd - Mar/09

Hidden - Lead - 24/Jan/09

Crux-get high up in the corner then reach up high on left-hand wall. Right hand wall crack also possible.
moose ridd - 2nd dnf - 24/Jan/09 with M.Sadler

Hidden - Lead dnf - 23/Jan/09

Neilm18 - 2nd dnf - 23/Jan/09 with Mark Mosgrove

markjarvie - 2009 with scott becker

gaz.marshall - AltLd O/S - 14/Dec/08 with Steve H

Stated up Melting put but took longer than expected, so finnished up the 2nd and 3rd pitches of Message!
mgeek - AltLd O/S - Dec/08 with Rob Aide

hooking and torquing a plenty. Some wild moves but thankfully great gear throughout. Brilliant.
jazzyjackson - AltLd - 01/Nov/08 with Jimbob

French Erick - AltLd O/S - 28/Oct/08 with Dave Kerr, Karl Atherton

Hidden - AltLd - 26/Mar/08

mikecopp - AltLd - 26/Mar/08 with Dan Currie

Superb torque fest
breithorn4164 - AltLd O/S - 16/Mar/08 with Jackson

Matthallinan - AltLd - 11/Mar/08 with Jon Winter

Hidden - AltLd dog - Jan/08

Hidden - 2008

Hidden - 2008

peebles boy - 2nd - 2008

Fultonius - AltLd - 30/Dec/07 with Malcolm Airey

best mised route ive done in scotland, climbing at my limit after 3 yrs out
James W - Dec/07 with graeme

peterp - AltLd - Dec/07 with Sully

Backed off due to one of party unable to follow
Brown - AltLd dnf - 25/Nov/07 with Andy Hobbs

Jim Haydock - 2nd - 09/Mar/07 with Stuart Mc aleese

awsome route, though was a little bare which made it destinctly tricky
dave_tomlin - 2nd - 18/Feb/07 with Tom Evans

barney_edin - AltLd - 05/Feb/07 with Adam H

akhughes - AltLd O/S - Feb/07

Richard White - 2007

Hidden - 2007

sgl - Lead O/S - 22/Nov/06 with henry

Jim Haydock - 2nd - 09/Mar/06 with G. Ettle & Owen Samuels

Hidden - 2nd O/S - Mar/06

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 19/Feb/06

Neil Adams - AltLd O/S - 2006 with Andy Inglis

Smelly Fox - AltLd O/S - 20/Feb/05 with Ian Bryant

andyinglis - AltLd O/S - 2005 with neil adams

Dangerous Dave - Lead O/S - 2005

Very poor, no ice!
ruaridhmac - AltLd - 21/Nov/04 with Dave Cowan

whispering nic - AltLd - Nov/04 with Tweedley

Good conditions.
Jamie Simpson - AltLd O/S - 2004 with Andy Munro

Hidden - Lead dnf - 28/Dec/03

Hidden - 2003

mikeyjbs - 2nd dog - 29/Dec/02 with will woodhead

towdman - AltLd O/S - 18/Dec/02 with Daniel Armitage

DerwentDiluted - 2nd - Jan/02 with Chris Pearson

frost - Feb/01

Yourlead - 2nd - 19/Jan/01 with Graham Penny

Hidden - AltLd - 04/Nov/00

Dave Kerr - Lead - 27/Dec/99 with Iain Sharpe

NeilGriffiths - 04/Dec/99 with James, Simon

MRT call out!
dangates - AltLd - 08/Jan/99 with Alison Davey/ Pete Watson

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 17/Jan/98

Lone Rider - AltLd - 1998

innes - AltLd O/S - 1998

1st oitch only then up Hybrid?
Yourlead - 2nd dnf - 28/Dec/97 with Graham Penny

tlr - AltLd - 14/Feb/97 with Pete D

Heavy conditions. Crazy weather. Great Stuff.
TobyA - AltLd O/S - 02/Jan/97 with Ed

Hidden - AltLd - 1997

Hidden - Feb/94

TheAndyBarker - AltLd - Jan/93

Hidden - AltLd - Dec/89

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