finished up gideon upper pitches after belay. airy cracker! polish 'ups' the grade on the start i reckonfoxjerk - AltLd O/S - 24/Sep/13 with wiwwim
I Jones - Lead O/S - 01/Sep/13 with Nuku
Hidden - 2nd dog - 31/Aug/13
Hidden - 2nd - 23/Aug/13
Hidden - AltLd - 02/Aug/13
tedj234 - 14/Jul/13
Jackislav - 2nd O/S - 07/Jul/13
timreynolds - Lead - 03/Jul/13 with Sarah Welsh
Sarah Welsh - 2nd - 03/Jul/13 with Tim Reynolds
Hidden - 2nd - 08/Jun/13
nickdonohue - Lead - 08/Jun/13 with Hector
Hidden - Lead O/S - 05/Jun/13
RossT - 2nd - 02/Jun/13 with Andrew Edwards
nickdonohue - AltLd - 01/Jun/13 with Andy Bisson
very good, didn't find pitch 1 too bad it was as hard to stop and place enough gear to prevent a ground fall as the actual jamming, but the top out on pitch 2 felt solid (HVS) 5a to me not 4c!
CurlyStevo - Lead - Jun/13 with Rob
I struggled on 1st pitch. Nick breezed it. I lead 2nd pitch. Great route, bit polished in lower section.
EcoClimber - AltLd dog - 31/May/13 with nickstephens
nickstephens - AltLd O/S - 31/May/13 with richard climber
hornbywill - Lead O/S - 30/May/13
metal arms - AltLd O/S - 30/May/13
Dave Rumney - Lead - 27/May/13 with Tanya Milner
Delighted to do this one :) - albeit somewhat less than elegant.
ellmang - Lead - 25/May/13
Lead 2nd pitch
pelvoux - AltLd - 25/May/13 with Chris Bull
Hidden - Lead - 25/May/13
Ed morris - Lead O/S - 23/May/13 with Ian
Did 1st pitch of Climbers' Club Ordinary and 2nd pitch of this climb
Chris Joyce - 2nd O/S - 27/Apr/13 with Doug miller
Chuffed to finally nail this one. Feels like some sort of perverse milestone. The secret is pulling on the jams the right way, then they're bomber!
Cheese Monkey - Lead RP - 24/Apr/13 with Goss
With two good swings and one hefty point of aid!
Sarah Welsh - 2nd dog - 24/Apr/13 with David Coley
Great fun! 1st real crack climb. Jack led 1st pitch, and I 2nd.
ewanthomson - AltLd O/S - 19/Apr/13 with Jack Keo
Grabtheslab - Apr/13
Hidden - 2013
willhornby - 2013
nickstephens - AltLd O/S - 28/Jul/12 with Gareth Greeves
wholly absorbing. slightly harrowing.
i did a super direct start as i wasn't man enough (and don't have big enough hands) to pull through the roof
katherinesydney - 2nd β - 15/Jul/12 with caleb kemics
Both pitches. Detoured onto CC ordinary to avoid nesting birds at the very top of first pitch. Proper old skool HVS, top pitch felt every bit as hard/serious as the first. Absolute brutality, painful jams and an awesome route. Was totally unprepared for the sting in the tail, so very close to coming off but managed to yard up on a wet insecure fist jam.
Kemics - Lead O/S - 15/Jul/12 with Katherine
Hidden - AltLd O/S - 01/Jul/12
Hidden - Lead O/S - 01/Jul/12
Hidden - AltLd O/S - 01/Jul/12
Hidden - 2nd dog - 01/Jul/12
Lead Pitch 1
gg4419 - AltLd O/S - Jul/12
Hidden - 2nd - 18/Jun/12
Hidden - Lead - 17/Jun/12
If at first you don't succeed, keep hammering away at it until your climbing buddies laughter gets too much to bear and then give up. Hardly even started this one, couldn't get over the initial overhang...one for next time once I've mastered the art of hand jamming.
LeadBalloon - Lead dnf - 31/May/12 with Kelvin
Led P1 and P2. Glad to see I can still jam, classic SW jamming test piece but the rest in the niche allows a needed break on the first crack. Wasn't expecting the sting in the tail but thats what makes this a classic route.
Mr Tickle - Lead O/S - 26/May/12 with Ben R
mark schramm - Lead rpt - 19/May/12 with Lyndsay
Lyndsay Superclimber - 2nd - 19/May/12 with Mark S
JamesBrowning - AltLd dog - 18/May/12 with Toby
DOVEY - 16/Apr/12 with Joe, Nic
Joe Richards - 2nd dnf - 16/Apr/12 with DOVEY
Led the first pitch after Chris's 7 or so heroic attempts in front of his female fan club. Chris the swiflty dispatched the second pitch.
francois - Lead O/S - 15/Apr/12 with Chris
Tried to lead P1, but fell (4 times!)
Switched: Fx lead P1 (clean - well done Fx) and I lead P2.
BelayBunney - AltLd dog - 15/Apr/12 with Francois
Hidden - 2nd - 14/Apr/12
guy757 - Lead - 13/Apr/12
guy757 - 13/Apr/12
Awesome and strenuous for a non jamming-master! One rest after placing initial gear and one before pull over below midway belay. Top pitch lead clean
Chaman - Lead - 11/Apr/12 with Steve P
Philippa Arding - 2nd - 08/Apr/12 with helen pitt
Hidden - 2nd dog - 01/Apr/12
Kayan - Lead O/S - 01/Apr/12 with David Brock
arandall - Lead O/S - 28/Mar/12 with Wendy Matthews
Wendy Watthews - 2nd - 28/Mar/12 with arandall
JackHatton - AltLd dog - 17/Mar/12 with richy mardell
Hidden - AltLd - 17/Mar/12
Motown - 2nd dog - 17/Mar/12 with JackHatton, Richy
Hidden - Lead - 10/Mar/12
Ian JL - Lead O/S - 2012
Hidden - 2012
Led second pitch.
Tom Seccombe - AltLd - 28/Dec/11 with tim exley
hard jamming on first pitch
tim exley - AltLd O/S - 28/Dec/11 with Tom Secombe
only p1 as 2nd could not do
dan ely - Lead dnf - 08/Nov/11
Had a hard time on this. Had to rest in initial crack. Relentless and hard, but very safe and brilliant!
Tom Last - AltLd - 07/Nov/11 with Chester
found it tough but enjoyable, start is very polished, keep going and you will get your reward.
crobinson - AltLd - 07/Nov/11 with Southern Man
burto - Lead O/S - 22/Oct/11 with hertha
Ian Miller - AltLd dnf - 21/Oct/11 with James Goss
Thought this was desparate at the grade. Very old style HVS, bloody battle with slippery jams and hideous polish at the bottom. Fantastic top pitch but 5a. If you can't jam don't apply!
philhilo - Lead O/S - 04/Oct/11 with Helen E
i_a_coops - Lead O/S - 02/Oct/11
Hidden - Lead dnf - 22/Sep/11
Rustyjas - 2nd O/S - 20/Sep/11 with Chris Clayton-Jones (CJ)
andrew hammond - Lead O/S - Sep/11 with Roy
brynmays - Lead O/S - 30/Aug/11 with Dave Bryant
lead 1st pitch clean, did rest on the rope on the 2nd pitch to retrive gear with 2 hands.. but i didnt need to :(
Elaine Budden - AltLd dog - 30/Aug/11 with tom bunn
net - 2nd - 29/Aug/11 with George
Hard work in the heat!
GPN - Lead O/S - 29/Aug/11 with Annette
Hidden - Lead O/S - 25/Aug/11
What a fantastic route. I lead the first pitch and Stuart led the second. Once I'd figured out the crux moves at the start, it wasn't too strenuous. Very well protected and 3* quality all the way up. The second pitch has a bit of a sting in the tail, which confirms the impression as a top quality route
petecallaghan - AltLd O/S - 10/Aug/11 with Stuart Fox
andi turner - Lead - 08/Aug/11 with Eddie
Great spot, route was a bit polished at the bottom
Souljah - 08/Aug/11 with Andi T
tatz45 - Lead O/S - 05/Aug/11 with Katy Vose
gowla - Lead O/S - 02/Aug/11 with Alan Dovey
Hidden - 2nd dog - 31/Jul/11
me 1st pitch and ben 2nd. really enjoyed leading first pitch but was hard on the hands and my left leg which i keeped raming into the crack but an awsome climb and well protected. and second ben took a good 10ft fall at the top, but has is harder than 4c. you MUST be good at hand jams and willing to loose some blood.
Jordon Fleming - AltLd O/S - 21/Jul/11 with ben darby
Dogged again. 10ft! More like 15ft! First proper lead fall right off the top. Made it afterwards though. Take big gear, you'll need it. I will get this clean one day
Cheese Monkey - AltLd dog - 21/Jul/11 with jordon fleming
Hidden - AltLd - 30/Jun/11
Chris P1, Gary P2. Found first pitch tough, partly due to a lack of big gear on my harness! Also blaming it on a dodgy knee. Partner went the wrong way at the top of p2 & traversed off left along a horizontal crack then up an easy slab with a layback/finger crack rather than going up the continuation crack. Was probably the end of the top pitch of something like Central Groove.
Chris Sansum - AltLd O/S - 26/Jun/11 with Gary Lewin
Cheese Monkey - AltLd dog - 04/Jun/11 with Matt
there is no way in hell the second pitch is 4c. it felt harder than the first (5a) which was also no pushover. frantically grovelled and flailed my way up the top crack. awful climbing. absolutely. awful. 3stars.
rustaldo - Lead O/S - 04/Jun/11 with Ben
feilx - Solo rpt - 23/May/11
P1 only due to nesting birds on P2. Gnarly!
Stone Muppet - Lead O/S - 22/May/11 with andy's mate dave
dmaldonado - 2nd O/S - 21/May/11 with Luke Horne
James Mitchelmore - Lead O/S - 10/May/11
Ben1983 - AltLd O/S - 02/May/11
david morse - Lead O/S - 02/May/11 with tori, todd
Hidden - 2nd O/S - 02/May/11
Hidden - 2nd O/S - May/11
Hidden - AltLd - May/11
Hidden - 2nd - 29/Apr/11
Led pitch 1. Lost some blood, but made it!
victim of mathematics - AltLd O/S - 28/Apr/11 with crossdressingrodney
The only question is which scars will last longer: the mental ones or the ones where my hands used to be?
crossdressingrodney - AltLd O/S - 28/Apr/11 with victim of mathematics
elbeanio - 2nd - 25/Apr/11
led the first pitch, possibly my favourite route to date.
gcandlin - AltLd O/S - 25/Apr/11
TerryLines - 25/Apr/11
jeffb - AltLd dnf - 23/Apr/11 with Calder
chris ebbutt - Lead - 20/Apr/11 with Dave R.
Bottled it on the last few moves 6ft, so set a belay and 2nd. Then found moves easy so all in the head! Gutted!
floss_81 - AltLd - 19/Apr/11 with john frost
Hidden - AltLd - 19/Apr/11
Hidden - 2nd - 16/Apr/11
Not sure if I missed the nice hold or something as you go over the overhang but I managed to make that seem a lot harder than 5a. Bugged out left at the top due to a serious lack of light and a distinct feeling of Deja vu.
nickstephens - Lead dnf - 12/Apr/11 with Marie Racault
Dilwat - 2nd O/S - 08/Apr/11 with Nick, SurferStan
nickdonohue - Lead - Apr/11 with Ian Riddell, Chris Stanyon
nickdonohue - 2nd - Apr/11 with Mike Reading
Dovey lead, Sam and I seconded
francesanncavanagh - 2nd - 21/Mar/11 with Sam Maker, Ian Dovey
DOVEY - Lead - 21/Mar/11 with Fran Cavanil & Sam Maker
Chris Nash - 2nd - 2011
CptRicActiv - Lead β - 2011
chappers909 - 2nd dog - 20/Oct/10 with Luke wheeldon, Jay Jackson
Hidden - Lead rpt - 20/Oct/10
jcook1980 - AltLd O/S - 18/Sep/10 with Sergi, Dan Walker
jim.barritt - 2nd O/S - 18/Sep/10 with Nicholas Donohue
tom.e - Lead O/S - 11/Sep/10 with Charlie Everett
Rock Lizard - 2nd - Sep/10
mark schramm - Lead O/S - 30/Aug/10 with tom m
tommoulds - 2nd β - 30/Aug/10 with Schramm
Bristoldave - Lead O/S - 30/Aug/10 with CarolineH
five - Lead O/S - 28/Aug/10 with AV
P1. Definite HVS milestone.
The Green Giant - AltLd O/S - 28/Jul/10 with Dan with the van
dan-8990 - AltLd O/S - 28/Jul/10 with AO
Led 1st Pitch
WalnutHorse - AltLd - 10/Jul/10
salwilms - 2nd - 10/Jul/10
One fall, seconding the start of the first pitch. Initial crack is despirate, too wide for me to jam my fist.
Lead second pitch which is good value for 4c. A proper exercise in offwidths!
davefount - AltLd dog - 08/Jul/10 with lewis stewert
Homes - Lead - 29/Jun/10 with Sam A
andy dunn - Lead β - 28/Jun/10 with Tom
Luuuuuke - Lead O/S - 26/Jun/10 with Alex H
lead fist pitch - paul lead second
Dawlish - AltLd - 21/Jun/10 with paul
seconded first pitch. Required tight rope after fall on initial crack. Lead 2nd pitch but took a 20ft lob at top trying to get established in offwidth crack. Finished up ordinary corner.
Dux - AltLd dog - 21/Jun/10 with Dawlish
PaulTanton - AltLd O/S - 30/May/10 with Chris Reid
bailed out on the final pitch, too much sport climbing pays its tole
John Henry Wynn - Lead dnf - 05/May/10 with Will Murray
I dont care, i will argue with anyone that this is Hvs 5b+ on the second pitch! It would be E1 if it had less gear. It IS hard!
El3ctroFuzz - Lead rpt - 05/May/10 with Elaine Budden
Elaine Budden - 2nd dog - 05/May/10 with tom bunn
Philippa Arding - AltLd - 04/May/10
nick arding - AltLd - 04/May/10
twright180 - Lead O/S - 23/Apr/10
2nded 1st pitch.couldnt do the strenuous jamming to get in crack had to traverse in via CCO then backclimb down crack to get gear out.led top pitch.a 21/2 or 3 cam for roof of v groove advisable.did crux at top in dark,glad i brought my headlamp.hats off to james for climbing top pitch by feel as he didnt have one.
minexplorer - AltLd - 20/Apr/10 with james
smollett - Lead O/S - Apr/10 with rad
Led 2nd pitch. Couldn't get past the overhang at the start of the 1st, but led 2nd clean.
Monkey_Alan - AltLd dog - 13/Feb/10 with Frodo Stickel
lead 1st pitch and managed the crux after finding a fist jam without too much struggle. Seconding the second pitch with freezing cold hands had me winging for Alan to take the slack out of the system.
uncontrollable - AltLd O/S - 13/Feb/10 with Alan B
jmhood - 2010
mike.moss - Lead dog - 2010
Lewis Stewart - 2010
Luke d - Lead O/S - 15/Nov/09
Hidden - AltLd - 21/Oct/09
Kyle lead both pitches - I took so so so so so many attempts at getting past the lower crux!
Ben Watts - 2nd dog - 11/Oct/09 with Kyle Rance
I climbed both pitches as second was not comfortable
Kyle Rance - Lead O/S - 11/Oct/09 with Ben Watts
rob1 - Lead - 28/Sep/09 with Dave Williams
aged_ape - AltLd rpt - 19/Sep/09 with KM
twright180 - Lead O/S - Sep/09
WalnutHorse - 2nd O/S - 29/Aug/09
cat22 - 2nd O/S - 17/Aug/09 with Mike
Needed several goes on the very polished bottom section
TonyB - Lead - 06/Aug/09 with Anni
AnniH - 2nd - 06/Aug/09 with Tony B
Lead 2nd pitch. Flippin brilliant climb! Some real jammin action. First time placing gear off a jam.
graham knott - Lead O/S - 08/Jul/09 with kafoozalem
Hidden - Lead O/S - 17/Jun/09
First pitch only (have done the second pitch a few times on CCO). Climbed the bottom cleanly and then unnecessarily dogged the roof below the belay by smearing feet (8-10 foot drop). Got back on and finished sensibly. Very Stupid.
rockferret - Lead dog - 16/Jun/09 with Pete and Pedro
deklan - AltLd - 31/May/09 with dad
I mucked up the last hard moves. Made it more than 4c+.. More like 5b!! Supine Position though!
El3ctroFuzz - Lead O/S - 29/May/09 with Ian Luscombe
Lummy41 - AltLd - 29/May/09 with Tom Bunn
1st pitch steady and enjoyable. 2nd pitch hard especially the top crack, only 4c???
JWB - Lead O/S - 24/May/09 with Jon Gill
Rob84 - Lead O/S - 23/May/09 with Dave
Attempted first pitch but not warmed up so got my arse kicked! Rob led this pitch then I led second.
dave657 - AltLd O/S - 23/May/09 with Rob Dyer
Tim W - Lead O/S - 23/May/09 with Marina Unterfosthuber
Hidden - Lead O/S - 09/May/09
Ceridwen - AltLd O/S - 03/May/09 with Uber Mike
cem - AltLd - 13/Apr/09 with Graham Dolman
Steerpike - AltLd rpt - 08/Apr/09 with Tommo
Hidden - 2nd O/S - 01/Apr/09
josh william legg - Lead - Feb/09
paulh1967 - 2009
Hidden - 2nd O/S - 2009
A bit funky...one of my first HVS's
Jack_F - Lead O/S - 2009 with Max hodges
Tez339 - Lead O/S - 18/Oct/08 with GARY BENSLEY, MIKE ARUNDEL
dan gibson - Solo rpt - 28/Aug/08
Hidden - AltLd dog - 29/Jun/08
Fantastic fun, although a bit tough at the bottom.
django - 2nd dog - 29/Jun/08 with neil larsen
second pitch only - started on CC ordinary to avoid desperate jamming start!O
AlexD - Lead - 29/Jun/08 with joeurwin
Hidden - 2nd - 13/Jun/08
Hidden - Lead - 12/Jun/08
Hidden - AltLd rpt - 03/Jun/08
Thinking I was doing a HS, it took quite a while but did it with some hesitation on the route but in one pitch. Beautiful view from the top
pelvoux - Lead O/S - 24/May/08 with Jon
Shaw Brown - AltLd - 03/May/08 with simon blythe
Popkids - 09/Apr/08 with Kafoozalem
Hidden - Lead O/S - 03/Apr/08
Hidden - Lead - Apr/08
tumbling wizard - Lead - 02/Feb/08
robbo11 - TR - 2008 with various
Disco - 2nd O/S - 2008 with Alex Stone
Hidden - AltLd O/S - 2008
nopants - Lead - 2008 with Mike
Spat me off first time
Jon_Warner - Lead dog - 17/Nov/07 with Tom
An absolute stunner. Quite hard i thought for 5a but then again i didnt jam.
Jon_Warner - Lead RP - 17/Nov/07 with Eden
Hidden - Lead O/S - 15/Nov/07
Hidden - AltLd O/S - 11/Nov/07
First pitch only. Backed off the second as there was a Hornets nest right in the middle - BEWARE!
alaan - Lead O/S - 28/Aug/07 with Connor
gangreen - Jul/07
Hidden - AltLd O/S - 06/Jun/07
Fell on last section (wide crack) of 2nd pitch, climbed right onto 'route B' to finish. Maybe next time!! it was fantastic up to there though!!
JonHarvey - Lead dnf - 06/Jun/07 with Jay Jackson
Mark Kemball - Lead - 01/Jun/07 with Nye Kemball Dorey
chalk monster - AltLd - 20/May/07 with richard
Justin T - Lead O/S - 29/Apr/07 with Wifey
Hidden - 2nd - 29/Apr/07
After getting worked ten years ago, finally cruised up this one actually enjoying the strenuous jamming this time! Last few moves are pretty wild for 4c!! Best done as one long pitch to savour the experience....
Chad123 - Lead O/S - 12/Apr/07 with Clare and Sam
Dave Searle - Lead O/S - 07/Apr/07
Rob Kennard - 2007
climber sim - 2007
Hidden - 2007
David Sherratt - Lead O/S - 2007
Tim Steward - AltLd rpt - 11/Nov/06 with Torran Elson
Hidden - AltLd O/S - 19/Sep/06
Hidden - AltLd - 19/Sep/06
Desperate! Couldn't get through the first jamming overhang, so downclimbed and left it for another day :(
Nick Smith - UKC - Lead dnf - 21/Jul/06 with Adam Carless
adam carless - AltLd O/S - 21/Jul/06 with Nick Smith - UKC
Hidden - AltLd - 06/Jul/06
Gareth - AltLd O/S - Jul/06 with Andrew
gjw5670 - Lead rpt - 12/Jun/06 with Robin
Cardi - 2nd - Jun/06 with Mike D
dan gibson - Lead rpt - 31/May/06 with karing
Hidden - Lead O/S - 30/May/06
Hidden - AltLd O/S - 29/May/06
Hidden - Lead O/S - 17/Apr/06
shoulders - Lead O/S - 15/Apr/06 with dai
mark4344 - Lead O/S - 08/Mar/06 with michel schonewille
mike kann - Lead O/S - 2006 with Rory Grout
leadmat - Lead - 2006
leadmat - 2006
CraigMac1 - 2006
Phil79 - AltLd O/S - 2006 with Henry
Hidden - AltLd - 2006
sebrider - Lead - 2006 with Roby Rudolf
Dave Pritchard - AltLd O/S - 15/Oct/05 with Simon Laker
timharrison - Lead rpt - 2005 with Abi Marchent
feilx - 2005
spence - 2nd - 25/Sep/04 with Gabie Watson
ChrisBrooke - AltLd O/S - 28/Aug/04 with John Inkpen
jonlord - 2nd - Jun/04
eddy-on-the-rocks - Lead O/S - 19/Apr/04 with Ben
chris sm - Lead O/S - Apr/04 with Pippa Froggatt
Digger - 2nd O/S - 06/Mar/04 with Sarah Nield
Bruce Kerr - AltLd - 17/Feb/04 with George MacIntyre
charlesmfrench - 2nd O/S - 14/Sep/03 with Ian _Haigh
Hidden - AltLd - 02/Sep/03
Hidden - AltLd - 02/Sep/03
Hidden - Aug/03
Hidden - Lead - 07/Jun/03
goi.ashmore - Lead O/S - 23/Apr/03 with Myles Jordan
Hidden - Lead O/S - 20/Apr/03
Jason Gotel - Lead - Apr/03 with Pippa Lansdown
Way more than 5a the way I did it. (not jamming)
StoneT - AltLd O/S - 2003 with Dad
Hidden - AltLd - 2003
Hidden - Lead - 2002
VPJB - 2002
Hidden - 2nd - 01/Sep/01
Hidden - Lead O/S - Jun/01
at last must have been my 5th or 6th attempt the same number of years.
colin milton - AltLd - 20/Sep/00 with eric milton
Hidden - Solo O/S - 21/Apr/00
Hidden - 2000
NickP - 2000
Mark Kemball - AltLd - 05/Nov/99 with Nic Dill
Led 2nd pitch - went left at top in complete darkness!
timreynolds - AltLd - 30/Sep/99 with Dave Cummings
FrankW - 2nd - 14/Aug/99 with Levi
ChrisJD - Lead - Jul/99
Mickdenali - 1999 with Gail Waller
craig h - AltLd O/S - 31/Jul/97 with Janet Hannah
andy_pemberton - Lead - Jun/96
Hidden - Aug/95
ellie macpherson - AltLd - Jun/95 with Steve Taylor
Hidden - Lead dnf - 29/Dec/94
Hidden - Lead O/S - May/93
Hidden - 1993
Marti999 - Lead - 1992
auld al - Lead O/S - Apr/91
Nigel Coe - 1991 with Norman Wright
Hidden - Lead O/S - 29/Jul/90
sdht - 1990
daviesdan - Lead - 1989
nigehughes - Lead - Jun/88 with Nick Staroszczuk
Hidden - Lead O/S - 29/Apr/88
davidalcock - 1988 with Philip Scorer
nigehughes - Lead - Nov/87 with Keith Hunter
Pete Nugent - Lead - 25/Sep/86
Hammy - Lead - 11/Feb/85 with Colin Struthers
Richard Weller - AltLd - 07/Jun/84 with Julian Sampson
PaulTanton - Lead O/S - May/82 with Greg Smith
Andy Fielding - Lead - 1982 with Mark Williams
Hidden - 2nd O/S - 08/Jun/81
babymoac - AltLd - 17/Aug/80 with MTW
Hidden - 1979
RichardMc - AltLd - 08/Apr/78 with Dave Langmead
Falko - Lead O/S - 22/Apr/76 with Mike Milnes
Bolt Phobia - Lead - 04/Apr/76 with John Broadwell
RichardMc - AltLd - 03/Aug/69 with Ian MacPherson