55m, 2 pitches.

Rockfax Description
Another Pass classic. The top pitch requires a certain love of wide cracks. Start at a corner by a small tree, 4m right of Dives/Better Things.
1) 4c, 32m. Climb the corner, then head right over vegetated ground to The Forest.
2) 4b, 25m. Follow the wide and sustained corner-crack to the top. Protection is a bit fiddly without very big cams, and the whole thing is awkward. © Rockfax

Ticklists: The 100 Best UK VS routes?, North Wales Rock Graded List, UK Classic Corners, North wales road to ruins HVS.

ClimberDateStyleNotes & Partners
DavidFarrow 04/Oct Lead O/S

Got lost on the HS, had a mini epic. Had to add sn extra pitch because route was longer than tge HS and the ropes may not have reached. Interesting and complex route, but gear was disgusting and i did the top 8m without any.

Neil Turner
mariannekhoo 03/Oct AltLd O/S

Led P1. Vince placed our DMM Size 6 cam about halfway up the wide crack and then ran it out to the top.

Vincent Lister
Pete_Frost 03/Oct AltLd rpt

Led p1 - oddly, the gorse and heather don't really get in the way. Top pitch is good fun, with a handy abseil station at the belay. It's a good idea to carry the rope down in a bag, or lap-coiled over a sling if you're abseiling, as there's a lot of traffic across the route of the descent.

Chris Gardener
AngelaC 03/Oct AltLd
Hidden 28/Sep Lead O/S
jalqazzaz 28/Sep 2nd O/S
Hidden 19/Sep AltLd rpt
Liam Ingram 19/Sep AltLd O/S


Jake Dowell
annep11 19/Sep AltLd O/S
JamieSparkes 19/Sep Lead O/S

Great top pitch, scrappy lower half.

Hidden 19/Sep AltLd
Dogwood 11/Sep Lead O/S

Ro lead the first pitch of Dives HS then we migrated to Sabre Cut. I missed some gear and ended up with a pretty ballsy run out.

Bodiggo 11/Sep 2nd O/S
SenzuBean 06/Sep AltLd O/S

Rikki led P1. I led P2 - found it fairly challenging, but superb in every way. :) My first proper route on the Cromlech too :D

Rikki, Paul C
dkd 07/Aug Lead O/S
bob johnson 19/Jul AltLd
Rich Ball
PeteMc 11/Jul AltLd
tom0french 11/Jul AltLd O/S
Stickle Tarn 10/Jul Lead O/S
noemie5438 10/Jul AltLd O/S
Ian Stirrups 10/Jul AltLd
Andrew Lodge 10/Jul AltLd O/S

Led P2, a great pitch but not the easiest to protect without a rack of huge cams

jordana86 10/Jul 2nd dnf
ndraper1 03/Jul Lead

dan meandered round to the right towards spiral stairs giving a bolder start (hvs/e1). The second pitch has very little in terms of reliable gear but climbing easy and interesting. Rapped off in one 60m.

Brendan 03/Jul Lead O/S

I would strongly recommend taking a size four Camelot or a similarly big cam, the second pitch was very bold without one.

rfdl100 ?/Jul AltLd O/S
Albachoss 29/Jun Lead O/S
Little Amy 29/Jun 2nd O/S
omaskrey 27/Jun AltLd O/S

Tom lead the first pitch and I lead the second. Definitely would have been easier with big cams. A testing but brilliant route

twill 27/Jun AltLd O/S
catrin289 23/Jun AltLd O/S

Lead pitch one, felt hard with new shoes on polished footholds. Second pitch looks like an intimidating wide crack but jugs/crimps everywhere on the side, don't need to crack climb at all

Gav Williams 19/Jun 2nd

Pitch 2 only

Jules Lane 19/Jun Lead O/S

P2 only as P1 looked a bit crappy, so did Dives first, which made for an excellent combo. P2 is a 'big pitch' up the stunning line of the slightly curving corner high above the valley. This is NOT your standard 4b outing ! I had to have a word with myself before committing to the middle section where enforced calmness and careful planning of moves meant that it all worked out nicely.

Matthew Ferrier 18/Jun 2nd
amccann 18/Jun Lead O/S
minty1984 15/Jun 2nd O/S

On a guided day with Libby Peters. Abbed in and climbed the 2nd pitch only. Great route

Hidden 13/Jun Lead O/S
Tom Pillow 13/Jun 2nd O/S

Not sure we did the first pitch right but the second one was great and Andy made it look easy.

Andy McCoy
alexm198 04/Jun AltLd O/S
ASchwirtz 27/May Lead O/S

Not much gear on second pitch, probably hard 5a

Ed Booth 26/May AltLd rpt
nick scott
wynniemandela 23/May 2nd

Very awkward bridging and few good gear palcements.

Hidden 23/May Lead O/S
davebrox 21/May -
AndrewP 13/May AltLd rpt
Maywood96 04/May AltLd

Lead 2nd Pitch. Tough but very exciting. Quite interesting in the Very wet and cold but nice to pretty much have the crag to ourselves on a bank holiday!

Hidden 04/May Lead
JenShelley 10/Apr 2nd

Really enjoyed this route. Day 5 of PYB "Moving Out" course. Feels like being miles above the Pass and some moves that made me think!

Hidden 10/Apr 2nd
Teappleby 10/Apr Lead
Hidden 10/Apr 2nd
Hidden 08/Apr 2nd
Stanners 21/Mar AltLd O/S

P1. Great to be be back at the pass! Cracking second pitch, but sustained and awkward with care needed for the gear. Good lead from Giles getting his lead head back on and a good start to the weekend trip

Sam Husband 21/Mar AltLd rpt

Lead pitch 1 after having accidently done P2 as my second lead! Much more pleasant three years on and good to see I've made some progress!

ian Wignall 21/Mar AltLd O/S
adi bryant 21/Mar AltLd O/S

Lovely climb. . A bit too much after the night we'd had.

Hidden 15/Feb AltLd O/S
Hidden ??/2015 -
mzk ??/2015 -

Managed to get off-route and do the bottom pitch of Dives/ Better Things, and the top pitch of this. Bold pitch, good lead by Alex!

tomlevett ??/2015 -
Hidden 15/Nov/14 AltLd O/S
bencoope 15/Nov/14 Lead O/S
Knut 15/Nov/14 AltLd

Lead 1st pitch. Second pitch was harder, although the guide book seems to think otherwise.

Martin Bagshaw 13/Oct/14 Lead O/S
Ed Green
aljones91 12/Oct/14 AltLd O/S

Lead corner pitch, tough but fun! Most of my blind placed gear fell out which was worrying but a great route!

Ben hester
Hidden 11/Oct/14 AltLd O/S
Hidden 28/Sep/14 2nd O/S
mjeffery 22/Sep/14 AltLd O/S
largejason 22/Sep/14 AltLd O/S
Pero 21/Sep/14 Lead
Hidden 17/Sep/14 AltLd
stuart34 15/Sep/14 2nd
Peter Metcalfe 14/Sep/14 AltLd
Roger Chaldecott
Hidden 13/Sep/14 Lead O/S
Rory Shaw 13/Sep/14 2nd
Alex the Alex 09/Sep/14 Lead O/S

very good despite the polish, but 4b on the upper pitch? really?! had a serious wobble on the second pitch after a foot slipped...

bomtall 06/Sep/14 AltLd O/S
jeddb 06/Sep/14 AltLd O/S

Lead second pitch

David_Gledson 05/Sep/14 AltLd O/S

I led p1. P2 is simply amazing. What a pitch!!

Hidden 05/Sep/14 2nd O/S
KKilroy 04/Sep/14 Lead O/S
james hales
Hidden 02/Sep/14 2nd
handofgod ?/Sep/14 2nd O/S

only did 1st picth then abed off

Hidden 14/Aug/14 AltLd O/S
HB-Pencil 08/Aug/14 2nd O/S
JamesLloyd 28/Jul/14 AltLd O/S
kenneM 25/Jul/14 Lead
Nick Murray, Davey Luke
jsmcfarland 20/Jul/14 Lead O/S

I led the first pitch which felt a little run out in places though I'm pretty sure I went a little off route. Though that the second pitch would be nice for my partners first trad lead, BIG mistake! He put in a heroic effort then gave up and I lowered him off his gear 1/3 up the big crack, we swapped rope ends then I went up and finished it. Really awesome climbing but yet another sandbag VS in the pass in my opinion :P

alanblyth 20/Jul/14 AltLd
spenser 18/Jul/14 AltLd O/S

Ross led P1, I led P2, crux on the first pitch took a bit of working out although apparently I missed a jug. Stepping across from the ramp on P2 is pretty interesting, the route is fairly well protected without needing massive gear in a crack on the right, but all of the gear is placed blind and you can't really make sure it is seated fantastically. Easily worth 3 stars!

rosiehawker 05/Jul/14 AltLd O/S
Geoff Hannis
Dizz 01/Jul/14 AltLd rpt
Ben Briggs ?/Jul/14 Lead O/S
maria85 29/Jun/14 Lead O/S

Led both pitches.

Hidden 29/Jun/14 2nd
mistymarsh 28/Jun/14 2nd

PS leading rob and I seconding. A wonderful climb

Nigel Coe 24/Jun/14 AltLd
Pete Kelly
planetmarshall 22/Jun/14 AltLd

Led P2. Tremendous. First pitch very steep. 2nd pitch just has to be experienced. Look for hidden jugs and take the largest cams you have (Size 4 camalot minimum)

ned_85 22/Jun/14 AltLd
steve phillips 21/Jun/14 Lead O/S

lead 2nd pitch which is 4c! and used internal crack for pro

Alison Cairns 21/Jun/14 2nd
steve phillips
davewsargent 20/Jun/14 AltLd O/S
andy neath
charlielow 18/Jun/14 2nd

Did first pitch of Dives/Better Things then accidentally ended up on the second pitch of this! Ellie had a mini epic leading and got her leg wedged in the crack, had to be rescued via an abseil and a lot of pulling!

Ella7 18/Jun/14 Lead dnf

Foolishly ended up on this after Dives/Better this. Got my leg firmly and painfully wedged in the steep crack that was too big for any of my gear... twice!so much so the second time that I had to be rescued by ab. Lessons were learnt!

Hidden 17/Jun/14 AltLd O/S
darcan 15/Jun/14 Lead O/S
Senna 14/Jun/14 Lead O/S

Didn't have big enough gear for crack of second pitch so ran it out all the way. Felt safe though

jtree03 13/Jun/14 2nd

Good route, both pitches should be 4c

Col, Brother Al
Col Kingshott 13/Jun/14 AltLd
grrrrrrrh 05/Jun/14 AltLd O/S

Led first pitch

Rosie Hawker
Sardien 31/May/14 Lead rpt
Phine, Sophie Ackermann
davkeo 30/May/14 AltLd O/S

Lead P1. First 5m were lovely. Fantastic 2nd pitch.

cearbhalld 30/May/14 AltLd O/S

Led P2

alaster tonge 30/May/14 Lead O/S

Sustained corner climbing; crack too big for gear but some placements in smaller internal crack and wall. High adrenaline, good, thinking climbing on p2 with probably good small wires placed half blindly so a little faith is good. Hard to fall off from.

Lailah, Assad Lahlou
tobydunford 30/May/14 AltLd O/S
Harry Martin
RyanOsborne 18/May/14 2nd
Diggler 17/May/14 AltLd O/S
stemill 17/May/14 AltLd

Led P2 - not 4b!

Hidden 17/May/14 AltLd O/S
steve_gibbs 17/May/14 AltLd O/S
Ollie Stevens
John Nuttall 17/May/14 Lead
Andy H
Sol Armer 15/May/14 AltLd O/S

Ended up leading this instead of 'Better Things' by accident. Definitely not 4b! 5a climbing, maybe 4c if your good in offwidths.. Felt very serious, and very run out; didn't have any big gear. Also couldn't see how good my placements were and kicked out and essential nut.

JanBella 06/May/14 2nd O/S
Tom Redmond 02/May/14 AltLd O/S
joe cossey
chancer 02/May/14 AltLd O/S
Fraser Campbell
Morris123 21/Apr/14 AltLd
jack 9895 20/Apr/14 AltLd O/S
Richardlake 19/Apr/14 AltLd O/S
Jonathan Richardson 19/Apr/14 AltLd O/S

Lead P1

will_lake 19/Apr/14 AltLd O/S
pravski 16/Apr/14 Lead
deejmonkey 13/Apr/14 AltLd
Daymo 13/Apr/14 AltLd O/S
Hidden 12/Apr/14 AltLd O/S
jezb1 11/Apr/14 2nd
will moy 11/Apr/14 Lead O/S
carl_123 10/Apr/14 AltLd O/S
Hidden ?/Apr/14 Lead O/S
Julesthe1st 15/Mar/14 AltLd O/S
Andrea, Mike
Hidden 11/Mar/14 AltLd O/S
djking1983 11/Mar/14 AltLd O/S

Led p2

David Kay 08/Mar/14 AltLd O/S
Hidden 08/Mar/14 AltLd O/S
Hidden ?/Mar/14 AltLd
Hidden ??/2014 -
Si ??/2014 -
mike mo ??/2014 -
Alfie Conn ??/2014 -
Allanfairfechan ??/2014 -
mileshill540 ??/2014 Lead
Dan Hostford 30/Nov/13 Lead O/S

Second pitch harder of the two

andrew549 24/Nov/13 2nd O/S
Hidden 09/Nov/13 AltLd
will_benfold 09/Nov/13 Lead O/S
tcn_2002 09/Nov/13 AltLd
alpinismo.uk 28/Sep/13 2nd
Simon Cahill 28/Sep/13 Lead rpt

lead both pitches, pt 2 is harder pitch despite given grades.

malteserEd 22/Sep/13 Lead
Adrianw 22/Sep/13 2nd
Adam Spiller
Dr Toph 20/Sep/13 Lead O/S

Maybe I didnt find the hidden holds inside the crack, but even still, P2 was no 4b. Technical 4c/5a IMHO. Enjoyable climbing though, like an easy Cenotaph Corner.

Hidden 02/Sep/13 AltLd
GOS 31/Aug/13 AltLd O/S

GC P1; GOS P2 - sustained corner climbing; crack too big for gear but some placements in smaller internal crack. High adrenaline

georgec 31/Aug/13 AltLd O/S
Hidden 31/Aug/13 -
Freshprintce 29/Aug/13 Lead O/S
Will Warrington
Andre Clarke 29/Aug/13 Lead O/S

Protection fiddly in back of crack but nice climb

Craigyboy13 26/Aug/13 AltLd O/S
Double Knee Bar 26/Aug/13 AltLd O/S

L 2nd pitch. Awkward climbing. Nice.

Hidden 26/Aug/13 AltLd O/S
Mouse5 24/Aug/13 2nd β

Awesome route, plenty of pockets and crimps inside the crack to use. Hard work but really enjoyable.

Tom Hatt
andycash 20/Aug/13 AltLd O/S

Lead P1 which went no problem, Second pitch no technically hard but need very big gear to protect.

Simon Cahill 10/Aug/13 AltLd rpt

Lead pt 1, Ray lead pt 2, still found pt 2 the harder pitch despite the guidebook suggesting pitch one is 4c and pitch two 4b, Note crack (Pt2)doesn't take much gear unless you have huge cams, side wall takes a range of nuts.

Ray Sparks 10/Aug/13 AltLd O/S
Jim Brooke 10/Aug/13 Lead

both pitches, to remind me how wires work after a couple of years off... would have helped if half the placements hadn't been blind... Friend 4 would also have helped!

Hidden 10/Aug/13 2nd O/S
SimonvanDam 10/Aug/13 AltLd
roberts1234567890 10/Aug/13 AltLd
robgixer ?/Aug/13 Lead
grakgrak 28/Jul/13 AltLd O/S

Lead 2nd pitch with rich. Very exposed long runout at top

Richard hughes
Dan Vaj 27/Jul/13 AltLd O/S
Shone 27/Jul/13 Lead

Lead the corner, placed cams 3, 4 & 5. Plenty of wires, some placed blind inside the wide crack but they felt good. It's a long pitch with serious feel.

khalidq 27/Jul/13 AltLd O/S

Great second pitch. Avoided the run out with big cams and moved them as I went along. Also good wires. Didn't feel that it was so run out.

martin c 26/Jul/13 Lead O/S

No choice but to run that bad boy top crack out!

Hidden 24/Jul/13 AltLd
wild_nomad 20/Jul/13 Lead O/S

Very good but incredibly bold 2nd pitch which had a very long run out section (possibly 15m). Falling near the top would be very serious! No way 4b climbing either more like 4c / 5a.

Dean, Kevin
Helen Gibson 16/Jul/13 AltLd
Hidden 08/Jul/13 2nd
Big Lee 06/Jul/13 AltLd O/S

Led the fantastic pitch 2. Bridged virtually the whole pitch with almost no jamming. No gear in the upper half despite ample time dedicated to trying to find placements in the cracks within the wide crack. Maybe used my only number 4 friend too early low down as ground fall potential by the top of the pitch.

Sam Simpson 05/Jul/13 AltLd O/S
Hidden 05/Jul/13 AltLd O/S
CurlyStevo ?/Jul/13 AltLd

I lead pitch 1

Lee H
jack adams ?/Jul/13 AltLd O/S
craig lukins
ifletcher 25/Jun/13 2nd O/S
tgeh 25/Jun/13 AltLd O/S

Don't see why people think p2 is bold i laced the route with mainly nuts, didn't use a big cam

imogene, dan geh
Dan Geh 25/Jun/13 AltLd O/S
Kevin Robert Jones 20/Jun/13 Lead O/S
woody0606 19/Jun/13 AltLd O/S


Goodstuff 19/Jun/13 AltLd O/S

Pitch 1. First pitch is good fun, but second is amazing- gets pretty bold near the top because of the widening crack.

Kyle87 19/Jun/13 AltLd O/S


Hidden 18/Jun/13 Lead
Nigel R Lewis 18/Jun/13 2nd
Steve Kedward
miles01 09/Jun/13 Lead O/S

small nuts not big cams, stitched up the crack on the inside right.

Jenny Hall 08/Jun/13 2nd O/S

second pitch definately not 4b

Louis Hume 08/Jun/13 Lead

P1 = a right steep sausage, P2 = toughest 4b I ever did see, ran that puppy out cos I wanted out of there.

Bert 08/Jun/13 Lead O/S

Lead 1st pitch

bobpilgrem 04/Jun/13 Lead rpt
Hidden 02/Jun/13 AltLd O/S
BeckyS 01/Jun/13 2nd
Brannock 01/Jun/13 AltLd O/S

With Bunny and stu, Led 1st pitch, second pitch burly.

Hidden 01/Jun/13 2nd O/S
MPSBunny 01/Jun/13 AltLd O/S

John led the first pitch which felt intimidatingly steep. I led the second pitch which was a wide crack in a corner which was wider than my largest piece of gear (blue cam placed low down). Ended up running out the top of the pitch as I couldn't find gear and became very committed.

steve prior ?/Jun/13 AltLd
Roger C
rbharries 31/May/13 AltLd O/S

I shat myself on the second pitch

Greg Edwards
JenRoberts 31/May/13 2nd O/S
Goose4 31/May/13 AltLd O/S
Pero 26/May/13 AltLd O/S
Hidden 25/May/13 AltLd O/S
Hidden 25/May/13 AltLd O/S
redshapedfriday 24/May/13 AltLd O/S
BTphonehome 24/May/13 AltLd O/S
Graham H
Rachel Somerville 19/May/13 AltLd O/S
AndrewP 05/May/13 AltLd O/S

I lead P1, Gareth lead P2. Top pitch is great.

FelixPeterken 05/May/13 2nd O/S

A very pleasurable climb, with a lot of bridging on the top pitch.

Gareth T 05/May/13 AltLd O/S
Adrew Peterken
jameslam 04/May/13 Lead O/S
Dom Wild, Bosh
Hidden 02/May/13 AltLd O/S
leeoftroy ?/May/13 Lead O/S

Lead top section with no gear....big cams essential!

Hidden ?/May/13 Lead O/S
Hidden 30/Apr/13 Lead
Hidden 30/Apr/13 2nd
Bex_M 25/Apr/13 AltLd O/S
Johnywilks 22/Apr/13 Lead O/S

Great climb, stiff second pitch, more 4c than 4b. Big cams required for second pitch.

JonesJ 22/Apr/13 2nd O/S
Johnywilks 22/Apr/13 Lead O/S
tim newton 20/Apr/13 AltLd O/S
herman0055 20/Apr/13 AltLd
shed_hed 20/Apr/13 Solo O/S
magicdougie 10/Apr/13 Lead

Bring Gear big enough for the crack or be ready for one hell of a runout

JCAshman 08/Apr/13 AltLd O/S
georgedunton 03/Mar/13 AltLd O/S

led pitch 2

Ryan Lang
Hidden 03/Mar/13 AltLd
RKirke 02/Mar/13 AltLd O/S
Ben1983 02/Mar/13 Lead O/S
67hours 02/Mar/13 AltLd O/S

Lead P2. Ran it all out at the end, good route!

tombushell 02/Mar/13 AltLd O/S
Roger Kirke
Hidden 02/Feb/13 Lead
Sam Melville ??/2013 -
Hidden ??/2013 -
Richard Kinsman ??/2013 Lead O/S
rob16 ??/2013 -
tim20 ??/2013 -
Andy Chadwick ??/2013 -
neilh ??/2013 -
Tony Kartawick ??/2013 -
Ian craigie ??/2013 Lead
Hidden 18/Nov/12 -
Danjones 21/Oct/12 2nd rpt

With 1st pitch of dives/better things. Top pitch, good corner pitch.

George, Steve Keys
Hidden 21/Oct/12 AltLd O/S
tomwheeler 07/Oct/12 AltLd

Lead P2. Hard for 4b, tricky to protect. Ran out instead.

Hidden 06/Oct/12 Lead O/S
helenstuart 08/Sep/12 AltLd O/S
papashango 08/Sep/12 AltLd


Hidden 08/Sep/12 Lead β
Hidden 07/Sep/12 2nd
Hidden 05/Sep/12 AltLd O/S
stuart34 05/Sep/12 AltLd O/S
David Robinson 11/Aug/12 Lead
Steve Vincent 11/Aug/12 2nd
David Robinson
jon_ridley 10/Aug/12 Lead O/S
Emily Cropton 10/Aug/12 2nd
tomparrott 28/Jul/12 AltLd O/S

Led the second pitch and managed to get my fingers well and truly stuck in a crack. Apart from that minor setback cracking crack climbing.

deejmonkey 28/Jul/12 AltLd
The Bad Cough 27/Jul/12 AltLd rpt
jon22 27/Jul/12 AltLd
Kevster 21/Jul/12 2nd
tonevert 12/Jul/12 Lead O/S
Kevin Faux
jonleighton 26/May/12 Lead O/S
Hidden 26/May/12 2nd O/S
Yong_Welsh 25/May/12 Lead O/S

Pitch 2. 4b?

jason reeve 24/May/12 AltLd O/S
Ross.Cooper 22/May/12 AltLd O/S

Led pitch 1, good upper crack.

jezb1 16/May/12 AltLd

Ld P1. Thought the climb was pretty straight forward and P2 had plenty of gear on the inner crack.

Hidden 16/May/12 AltLd O/S
paddy1024 15/May/12 Lead O/S
Hidden 13/May/12 Lead O/S
Frank Blakeley 12/May/12 AltLd O/S

2nd Pitch no way is this 4b, hard to protect without large cams (which i didnt have)

Mike Turner 12/May/12 AltLd O/S
John Lewis 12/May/12 AltLd O/S

Led Pitch 2

Hidden 12/May/12 AltLd O/S
StevieG_7 06/May/12 Lead O/S

P2 only, after doing P1 of Dives/Better Things.

Andy Stratford
UncleMephisto ?/May/12 Lead O/S
Joe Newport
pete87abs 14/Apr/12 AltLd O/S

dont get your get stuck

Rosie Crossley
namagnall 14/Apr/12 2nd
Hidden 01/Apr/12 2nd O/S
Hidden 01/Apr/12 AltLd O/S
Hidden ?/Apr/12 Lead O/S
Hidden 30/Mar/12 AltLd
Dan724 29/Mar/12 Lead O/S
Hidden 28/Mar/12 AltLd
joe_lancs 27/Mar/12 Lead O/S
Hidden 26/Mar/12 Lead
Danny Crump 24/Mar/12 Lead O/S
Sam Husband 19/Mar/12 AltLd O/S

Second pitch only after first two pitches of Spiral Stairs. Lovely climb, limited protection!

Hidden 02/Mar/12 -
ldadams ?/Mar/12 AltLd O/S
tombushell ?/Mar/12 2nd
Hidden ?/Mar/12 -
davidtrelawnyross ??/2012 -
Ian JL ??/2012 -
alan moore ??/2012 -

Ugly beast.

Hidden ??/2012 -
Josh Dickerson ??/2012 2nd O/S
Andy Lawrence
Stewart Armstrong ??/2012 -
captain dringo ??/2012 -
Hidden ??/2012 -
Hidden ??/2012 -
Tony Kartawick ??/2012 -
cmarsden5 ??/2012 -
Nathan Magnall
Stone Idle ??/2012 -
Hidden ??/2012 Lead
wi11 14/Nov/11 Solo rpt

down p2

adam 24 05/Nov/11 Lead O/S
FrenchOlly ?/Nov/11 Lead O/S
pete_fewings 15/Oct/11 Lead O/S
fizzychewitt 02/Oct/11 AltLd

Excellent climb, both pitches good quality

Adam Booth 30/Sep/11 Lead O/S
Ellen Cobby 30/Sep/11 2nd dog
wi11 28/Sep/11 AltLd O/S


Hidden 01/Sep/11 Lead
Simon Cahill 22/Aug/11 AltLd

Climbed with Lee but not logged at time, repeated 12th May 2012 as second with Frank & Mike, wet hands, so so cold, wouldn't have wanted to lead.

Blurgy319 18/Aug/11 AltLd O/S

Led P1, Pete led P2 in the rain, really enjoyable route, will do again in the dry. All this was after Pete decided to do his own thing on the face, lowered off then handed me the rack, at the stance on actual sabre cut lowered him to get his gear, good times haha

Peter Williams
Hidden 18/Aug/11 Lead O/S
fizzychewitt 06/Aug/11 AltLd dnf

Started 2nd pitch in drizzle, turned to downpour half way up so retreated and abbed off. Great 1st pitch though.

Adi Hooper 05/Aug/11 AltLd

Led 1st pitch

mikeshewring 03/Aug/11 Lead O/S
alexjz 30/Jul/11 Lead O/S

lead both pitches. Found second pitch harder, but also a lot better than first pitch

Hidden 26/Jul/11 2nd O/S
Hidden 26/Jul/11 AltLd
martrin 24/Jul/11 AltLd
Sarah Kekus
robman 24/Jul/11 Lead O/S
Matthew Scott-Chalmers 23/Jul/11 2nd

Nice 1st pitch for a 4c?? 2nd pitch very scrappy lot's of bridging and shuffling with one harder move just below the top, I used my heel on the edge of the huge (lose your leg huge) crack to gain further holds before topping out.

Robert Evans
Didymus 14/Jul/11 Lead O/S

p1 only to get to Foil

mfisher 13/Jul/11 AltLd O/S
ollyroberts 13/Jul/11 AltLd O/S

Pitch 1

Hidden 12/Jul/11 AltLd O/S
vertically_challenged 04/Jul/11 2nd O/S

climbed in from the v diff that crosses it then did the second pitch. nice climb, a bit bold for vs.

cem 03/Jul/11 AltLd O/S

Led p2

Peter Murphy
petegruf 03/Jul/11 AltLd
charles m
catblack 01/Jul/11 AltLd O/S

lead 2nd pitch - very good and quite intense for VS

daveyji ?/Jul/11 Lead

Led pitch 2. Quite hard and a bit run out at crux.

Linda Williamson
ajeakins ?/Jul/11 AltLd O/S

Led second pitch.

icTris ?/Jul/11 AltLd O/S

Lead p1, p2 made for a fun second

Elliot Carrington ?/Jul/11 AltLd O/S

Elliot P1, Adrian P2

J.Wells 29/Jun/11 AltLd O/S

great second pitch, terrible first

blueroly 25/Jun/11 2nd O/S

A tough climb on a rainy day. We were the only climbers out all day... I wonder why!!! I love this route.

Oleg Makarov
Hidden 19/Jun/11 Lead
iwanap 13/Jun/11 AltLd O/S

Found the last pitch tiring, changed leads on the last pitch

simon1965 11/Jun/11 AltLd O/S
Tom Keaveny 04/Jun/11 AltLd O/S

led 2nd pitch

matty123 04/Jun/11 AltLd
Hidden 04/Jun/11 Lead O/S
Lev 02/Jun/11 AltLd O/S
Hidden 02/Jun/11 AltLd O/S
JasTaplin ?/Jun/11 AltLd O/S
Hidden ?/Jun/11 AltLd
chrism225 28/May/11 Lead O/S
selbs83 15/May/11 Lead O/S
Ceridwen 25/Apr/11 AltLd O/S

My guide (ground up) says the first pitch is 4c but the second is definitely harder.

Hidden 25/Apr/11 2nd O/S
mksmith35 20/Apr/11 AltLd O/S

Led 1st pitch.

iwebster59017 20/Apr/11 AltLd O/S
psychomansam 19/Apr/11 AltLd

led first pitch. Second is harder with a few lovely moves, but bit polished.

Katex 19/Apr/11 AltLd O/S

Si led pitch 1 and I led pitch 2.

Simon Edwards
Ashley Hold 19/Apr/11 AltLd rpt
Ruth Littlejohn
Hidden 19/Apr/11 AltLd O/S
andrewlyons14 18/Apr/11 2nd O/S

was a really good climb. climbed really well

Andy Mcque
ian d f 18/Apr/11 AltLd O/S
markfromstoke 18/Apr/11 AltLd
Hidden 13/Apr/11 Lead O/S
Lenny 10/Apr/11 AltLd O/S
DKaye 09/Apr/11 AltLd O/S

We started up Spiral Stairs, but it was my turn to lead the second pitch and I was drawn to the corner crack that forms the top pitch of this route, for which it would later transpire I was woefully ill-racked in terms of big cams. All I'll say is it's pretty sandbagged at VS 4b! That's not to say I didn't love every second though! Pretty wonderful climbing.

Matt Ringrose
Hidden 09/Apr/11 Lead O/S
matt_ringrose 09/Apr/11 AltLd
Duncan Kaye
Andy Peak 1 06/Apr/11 Lead

windy and damp

Dom pipe
stargazer85 ?/Apr/11 AltLd
Greenman28 ?/Apr/11 -
Hidden ?/Apr/11 AltLd O/S
Monkey_Alan 27/Mar/11 Lead O/S

Nice route. The top corner is steeper than it looks. Managed to wedge my knee in at one point, great for getting a rest, not so good for upward progress! Plenty of small nut placements, the main crack being just larger than my largest cam.

Steve Wales
uncontrollable 27/Mar/11 AltLd O/S

Max P1, me p2 not much gear on pitch two which adds to the character. Nice route

Max Streeton 27/Mar/11 AltLd O/S
hfac 06/Mar/11 Lead O/S

Led top pitch after straying off route from Dive/Better things, worth it though :P

mikespooner 05/Mar/11 Lead O/S

Lead both pitches, absolutely awesome top pitch!! smaller gear is there if you want to hang round long enough to find it

Keith Jackson
Lunar25 20/Feb/11 AltLd O/S

Pretty much soloed top pitch due to lack of bigger gear. Confident though. Nice bridging too!

Matt Smith 20/Jan/11 AltLd O/S

Lead pitch 1 (though got a sling stuck). Bold lead by chris on pitch 2 as didn't have much big gear.

Hidden ??/2011 -
Rory Shaw ??/2011 -
Hidden ??/2011 -
adie84 ??/2011 -
ollieben ??/2011 -
Hidden ??/2011 -
Hidden ??/2011 -
PAJames ??/2011 -
PAJames ??/2011 -
bsmedz ??/2011 AltLd
Peter Sargent
bsmedz ??/2011 -
MHutch ??/2011 -
alasdair19 ??/2011 -
Rob Evans ??/2011 Lead

1st pitch easy, no friends big enough for the crack so blind bits of gear all the way, oh what fun!!! Noahs Warning so much better

pasbury ??/2011 -
Hidden ??/2011 -
Ian Andrews ??/2011 AltLd O/S
Martin Worthy
Hidden ??/2011 -
Hidden ??/2011 Lead O/S
Rob Laird 07/Nov/10 AltLd O/S
mr random 07/Nov/10 AltLd O/S
Hidden 11/Oct/10 AltLd O/S
tri-nitro-toulumne 11/Oct/10 Lead O/S


Rich Guest
Darrell Read 09/Oct/10 2nd
31770 09/Oct/10 Lead O/S
Hidden ?/Oct/10 Lead
Hidden 26/Sep/10 Lead
gd303uk 25/Sep/10 2nd O/S
John Rogers
Hidden 25/Sep/10 Lead rpt
Hidden 22/Sep/10 2nd
Hidden 22/Sep/10 2nd
GarethHall 18/Sep/10 AltLd O/S
garywong 18/Sep/10 AltLd O/S
davidwright 05/Sep/10 AltLd
Hidden 05/Sep/10 AltLd O/S
tompilgrem 01/Sep/10 2nd O/S
bobpilgrem 01/Sep/10 Lead O/S

Take large friends to protect P2.I only had one and kept moving it up the crack as i climbed !

Hidden 30/Aug/10 AltLd O/S
Hidden 28/Aug/10 AltLd
metal arms 16/Aug/10 AltLd O/S

Pitch 2

chris smith 05/Aug/10 AltLd O/S
Hidden 23/Jul/10 -
katiep 05/Jul/10 AltLd O/S

Led P2. First pitch was a bit wet!

Robin Head 05/Jul/10 AltLd O/S

I've lead the first pitch

LoopyLou 03/Jul/10 AltLd

My first climb in N Wales for years, and at first at Cromlech. The only clue Alison gave about the second pitch was that it was "classic style". Thankfully not classic grit thuggery or thrutching, but steady thoughtful climbing, and very commuting if you don't have any big bits of gear on you or don't get into the crack to find some hidden holds at the back of the crack on the right. Very enjoyable.

Alison Cairns
Hidden 30/Jun/10 AltLd O/S
Hidden 23/Jun/10 Lead O/S
Hidden 20/Jun/10 2nd O/S
Hidden 19/Jun/10 Lead O/S
Hidden 19/Jun/10 2nd
Hidden 17/Jun/10 Lead O/S
liamoloughlin 16/Jun/10 AltLd O/S

Very bold for vs! Take a friend 5! or several...

Tim Ducker 15/Jun/10 AltLd O/S
Trisha Murphy 15/Jun/10 AltLd O/S
Hidden 15/Jun/10 Lead O/S
Webster 15/Jun/10 AltLd O/S

led second pitch, most enjoyable lead to date at time of climbing.

Jess patel 15/Jun/10 AltLd
Richie Rich 12/Jun/10 Lead O/S

second pitch only after dives better things start

Pete Colley
Andrew Lester 09/Jun/10 AltLd O/S
Dizz 06/Jun/10 Lead O/S

Led both pitches. It rained mid way so top pitch wet for added excitement.

Hidden 06/Jun/10 2nd rpt
Hidden 03/Jun/10 AltLd O/S
david morse 02/Jun/10 Lead rpt
andy psyche
Andy Butler ?/Jun/10 Lead O/S
schof ?/Jun/10 2nd O/S
Hidden ?/Jun/10 -
mikeyg 28/May/10 Lead O/S

Both pitches, P2 is NOT 4b!

Trefo 25/May/10 Lead O/S

Awesome, little bit polished. Hardest VS I've ever done. exposed and airy, with spaced gear that can be hard to place.

Tom Waller
andy dunn 23/May/10 AltLd O/S

excellent climbing - 1st pitch felt a little bold for VS in places. 2nd pitch had some nice bridging moves. 1st of the corners ticked.

Sardien 22/May/10 AltLd O/S

LEad P1 and went off route - through the forest instead of over the wall. Pretty horrible and easy. P2 was discribed as a pleasant corner. It is indeed, but they might add committing and tricky to that

Simon Moore
PaulHarris 22/May/10 AltLd
John, Simon, Micheal
PaulHarris 22/May/10 AltLd
dan ely 20/May/10 AltLd O/S

lead p2. (lead p1 before) one to do twice but prob not 3 times

martinazando 17/May/10 AltLd O/S

The second pitch that I lead (the crack) felt harder than 4b!

Ruth L
Hidden 15/May/10 AltLd
Hidden 15/May/10 AltLd O/S
mattcyp88 15/May/10 Lead O/S
Rosie Wilson
Hidden 15/May/10 AltLd
whiting.jp 15/May/10 AltLd
Hidden 09/May/10 AltLd O/S
Noodles 03/May/10 Lead O/S

Take your extra large gear or man up on small wires. Worthwhile.

sthame 03/May/10 2nd O/S
Hidden 02/May/10 Lead O/S
Martin Stevens 01/May/10 Lead O/S

p2 only after getting behind a very slow pair on Spiral Stairs. Managed a huge runout, quite glad I didn't fall off!

Mervyn L.
Graham Westbrook ?/May/10 AltLd
Hidden ?/May/10 Lead
Hidden ?/May/10 -
mrtom 24/Apr/10 Lead O/S

Wish I'd read this first. 2nd pitch definitely bold without big cams (which I didn't have). Solid climbing tho, and very enjoyable. First pitch a bit boring.

Laurence Weil
Hidden 23/Apr/10 AltLd
Ken Applegate 19/Apr/10 AltLd O/S

Bit cold out the sun! Nice route though.

Hidden 18/Apr/10 AltLd O/S
HeatherF 16/Apr/10 2nd O/S
The Green Giant 16/Apr/10 Lead O/S

lead both pitches.

Hidden 15/Apr/10 Lead O/S
J1PEF 11/Apr/10 AltLd
stephen Rowley 10/Apr/10 AltLd dog
Andy_B39 10/Apr/10 AltLd O/S

led 1st and 3rd(last) pitches

Hidden 10/Apr/10 AltLd
Tom Vivian 10/Apr/10 AltLd
Tommy Cole ?/Apr/10 2nd O/S
M_grif 07/Mar/10 2nd O/S
Ollie Henson
ollieben 07/Mar/10 Lead O/S

awesome corner

matt griffiths
theotherpetehill 07/Feb/10 AltLd O/S

Led P1

Hidden ?/Feb/10 AltLd O/S
dan ely ??/2010 AltLd O/S

lead p1. want to go lead p2

Hidden ??/2010 -
Hidden ??/2010 -
pie_eater_pete ??/2010 -
ben smedley
Fenwick ??/2010 -
Ben Westwood
DuckingFesperate ??/2010 Lead
Hidden ??/2010 -
mcgrathr ??/2010 -
soph ??/2010 -
Liam FLeming 17/Oct/09 Lead
karen dalzell
green_bhind_da_ears 04/Oct/09 Lead O/S

Lead Second Pitch, having seconded curfew.

Martin Lilley 04/Oct/09 2nd O/S

Pitch 2 only after leading Curfew for pitch 1. Huge Chimney, art to climbing...

Sparky!!!3 27/Sep/09 AltLd
rd20 26/Sep/09 AltLd O/S

RD P1, Martin P2

smolders 26/Sep/09 AltLd O/S

P2 a struggle but worth it

JulesV 26/Sep/09 Lead O/S
Shauna Cunningham
Shauna 26/Sep/09 2nd O/S
r_findlay 25/Sep/09 Lead
The_Boy_ODwyer 20/Sep/09 AltLd rpt

Lead P1 this time

g1m147 20/Sep/09 Lead
Abi Chard 18/Sep/09 Lead O/S
ian caton 18/Sep/09 2nd β
Hidden 16/Sep/09 AltLd O/S
Hidden 13/Sep/09 AltLd O/S
Hidden 13/Sep/09 AltLd O/S
Tomprusk 12/Sep/09 AltLd O/S
blueroly 09/Sep/09 Lead rpt
Oleg Makarov
Hidden ?/Sep/09 AltLd
Hidden 16/Aug/09 AltLd O/S
blueroly 14/Aug/09 2nd O/S
Oleg Makarov
sgl0jd 06/Aug/09 AltLd

The top pitch is brilliant

Hidden 05/Aug/09 2nd
climbing_wiggy 02/Aug/09 2nd O/S

2nd pitch only as we started up Dives/better things

Paul Cox
jelaby 04/Jul/09 AltLd O/S
Dave Ross, Thom Allen
beci tointen ?/Jul/09 Lead O/S
my uncle carl
Owen W-G 13/Jun/09 AltLd O/S

Led top pitch. Tricky to protect but good right thigh jams. Never 4b and not easy at VS.

Tony Seale
Hidden 10/Jun/09 Lead O/S
mattyork2 05/Jun/09 2nd O/S

First pitch only into Foil

Johnny Richard
victim of mathematics 31/May/09 Lead O/S


ksjs 30/May/09 AltLd rpt

P2 led. ive now done this several times and there is no way on this earth that the top pitch (4b) is easier than the bottom pitch (4c). plus, it really is quite hard to confidently protect unless you have very large friends. much of the gear (wires in a crack on the right wall) is placed blind. anyway, still a cracking pitch if a touch windy today.

Hidden 30/May/09 AltLd
John Roe 30/May/09 AltLd

Led 2nd pitch

Rob Patchett
Hidden 30/May/09 AltLd
Hidden 13/May/09 Lead
Hidden 02/May/09 2nd O/S
Hidden ?/May/09 AltLd
Hidden ?/May/09 AltLd
Glyn Davidson 20/Apr/09 AltLd O/S

Mike lead pitch 1, I lead pitch 2. Second pitch seemed very tricky for VS 4b.

bigbobbyking 19/Apr/09 AltLd O/S

I led first pitch, Chris second. Second pitch pretty steep and a bit bold. Polished small holds.

Chris Allan
chrisallan 19/Apr/09 AltLd O/S
richardhopton 05/Apr/09 AltLd O/S
simonp ?/Apr/09 Lead O/S
Nicki Hearne
Hidden 20/Mar/09 Lead dnf
Hidden 15/Mar/09 AltLd
Hidden 15/Mar/09 AltLd
Hidden ??/2009 -
Kenemo ??/2009 -
SMc ??/2009 Lead O/S
Seymore Butt ??/2009 -
Rich35 ??/2009 Lead
jonka ??/2009 -
Gibson27 ??/2009 AltLd O/S
Wayne S ??/2009 -
dycotiles 02/Nov/08 AltLd O/S

Led second pitch

EmmanuelF 02/Nov/08 Lead

1st pitch

Mark Walter 12/Oct/08 AltLd O/S
Jon Bleiker
ducle 27/Sep/08 AltLd dog

Tried to lead 1st pitch of Curfew ("Sabre Cut Direct") but dnf. Partner led this, then I went up the corner.

Hidden 24/Sep/08 2nd O/S
Hidden 23/Sep/08 Lead O/S
jcurley 23/Sep/08 AltLd O/S
sara n 23/Sep/08 AltLd O/S

Led pitch 2 - take a size 5 cam (or three of them!) next time!!!

Glyn 21/Sep/08 AltLd O/S
jade Edwards Leaney 21/Sep/08 AltLd
barni 14/Sep/08 Lead
Matt Tranter 12/Sep/08 Lead O/S
Ryan Hanvey
jam tart 23/Aug/08 AltLd

led 2nd (4b) pitch

Peter Reynolds ?/Aug/08 AltLd O/S
RCrockford 27/Jul/08 Lead O/S

Very nice second pitch - half my gear bailed out down the rope in the upper section though (oops!)

Simon Holden (LCandCC) 27/Jul/08 AltLd O/S
Matt Grodon
Ewan Russell 23/Jul/08 Lead O/S
dan gibson 22/Jul/08 Lead rpt
sam read
cliffy 13/Jul/08 AltLd

Started this thinking it was Dives/ Better Things, same as 2 years ago but managed to complete the route this time.

Pilar Martinez, Oli Dorrell
Hidden 07/Jul/08 Lead O/S
Hidden 24/Jun/08 AltLd O/S
Danos 14/Jun/08 Lead O/S

P1 only, then onto Foil

HIGHTOWER 14/Jun/08 Lead O/S

Great climb. Possibly the best VS I can remember doing. Hard to protect 2nd pitch as I didn't have any friends big enough for the main crack.

hazatgym 13/Jun/08 2nd
Joe Herbert
hazatgym 13/Jun/08 2nd
Joe Herbert
Guy Wilson 08/Jun/08 Lead O/S
markfairbank 08/Jun/08 Lead O/S

First pitch was easier than the second with difficulties short lived on the steep crack - 2nd pitch was more sustained and hard to protect. Used 2 friends that I moved up the crack with me - a friend 4 which was too small for most parts and my camalot 4 which was right at the top of its range!

Ed Babs 07/Jun/08 Lead O/S
John Vet
irish paul 02/Jun/08 AltLd O/S
Sarah Joyce
ritchierich 13/May/08 AltLd rpt
Hidden 13/May/08 AltLd O/S
Hidden 11/May/08 AltLd
alexharv3y 06/May/08 Lead O/S
psychicbread 06/May/08 AltLd O/S

Lead the first pitch

davidwright 05/May/08 2nd rpt
AntWallace ?/May/08 Lead O/S
Chris and Andy
zchael6 ?/May/08 Lead
jon clayton ?/May/08 Lead
adam06 16/Apr/08 AltLd

lol, did this thinking it was dives/better things... thought it was solid for a HS! and i dont have any small cams never mind big ones

stefan7n 16/Apr/08 AltLd O/S


Jim Slater 05/Apr/08 Lead O/S

Led both pitches

EeFu 05/Apr/08 2nd
johniebriggs ?/Apr/08 AltLd

First VS lead

Theeni 09/Feb/08 2nd O/S


nathan_kelly 14/Jan/08 2nd

Amazing climb.

Matt Vigg ??/2008 -
Al Evans ??/2008 -
lee richards ??/2008 Lead O/S

fantastic second pitch definately the harder of the to. very hard to place wires had no big cams.

Will1 ??/2008 -
kingholmesy ??/2008 Lead O/S

First pitch only on the way to Foil.

Hidden ??/2008 AltLd
Stone Muppet ??/2008 -
peter myers ??/2008 AltLd O/S
Simon Bennet
Marcus ??/2008 -
Rob Greenwood - UKClimbing ??/2008 Lead O/S
Claire Tetley
Mark D 20/Oct/07 AltLd O/S
@ndyM@rsh@ll 20/Oct/07 AltLd O/S
Hidden 20/Oct/07 Lead
sazzle86 13/Oct/07 AltLd O/S

Lead 2nd pitch.

Hidden 10/Oct/07 AltLd
drewish ?/Oct/07 Lead O/S
Peter Hooker
Hidden ?/Oct/07 Lead O/S
Hidden 18/Sep/07 AltLd O/S
Carly 18/Sep/07 AltLd O/S
Hjort 09/Sep/07 AltLd O/S
jambomotamops 09/Sep/07 AltLd O/S
The Bad Cough 08/Sep/07 AltLd O/S
Dale ?/Sep/07 AltLd O/S
adamscottthomas 28/Aug/07 Lead O/S

Good route. I led both pitches, meeting with rather too much gorse bush on the first and then an alarming run out on the second. Quite exciting.

Ellen Taylor and Mike Kean
ellentaylor 28/Aug/07 2nd O/S

Steep first section with foliage near top. 2nd pitch crack felt harder than 4b. No need to get into the crack.

intersection996 27/Aug/07 AltLd
PanzerHanzler 26/Aug/07 AltLd O/S

Led 1st pitch

Hidden 24/Aug/07 AltLd O/S
John HW 04/Aug/07 AltLd O/S
Hidden ?/Aug/07 -
mje1398 10/Jun/07 AltLd
Barry D 09/Jun/07 AltLd
Chris M
Hidden 09/Jun/07 Lead
nigel pearson 26/May/07 AltLd O/S

Great climb. I led the second pitch. Quite hard second pitch due to sparse protection and at times having to place wires blind.

The_Boy_ODwyer 26/May/07 AltLd

Wow, scary corner... Succeeded in not having any protection up the entire corner, was quite relieved to finish (and had to have a little sit down) Excellent fun :-)

Tom C
Paddy_The_Fascist 29/Apr/07 AltLd O/S

I did 2nd pitch, Andy did 1st.

Andy Morris
Xav 28/Apr/07 AltLd O/S
Chris Phillips
Toby Dunn 26/Apr/07 2nd
Hidden 26/Apr/07 Lead O/S
Hidden 18/Apr/07 AltLd O/S
Hidden 17/Apr/07 2nd
dave o 16/Apr/07 AltLd O/S
Mattyk 08/Apr/07 AltLd O/S

Too many people on the belay ledge, about 3 routes converge.. totally contrasting pitches. i got no 2 which is a fun but straight forward crack

MikeLeeds 08/Apr/07 AltLd
John Forrester
chris sm 06/Apr/07 AltLd O/S
Pippa Froggatt
AngelaC 02/Apr/07 AltLd
NickST ?/Apr/07 AltLd O/S
Greg Grace
MikeDowsett ?/Mar/07 Lead

2nd pitch after 1st pitch of Dives

Geoff Williams
Hidden 06/Feb/07 Lead O/S
Hidden 06/Feb/07 AltLd O/S
Hidden ??/2007 Lead
jepotherepo ??/2007 Lead

windy in the pass today. Led second pitch. straightforward.

timmy-ts ??/2007 -
Hidden ??/2007 AltLd
Hidden ??/2007 Lead
tom.e 04/Nov/06 AltLd O/S
mark4344 29/Oct/06 Lead
Matt Payne
Dan 85 15/Oct/06 Lead O/S

Felt like HVS, protected with wires in the corner crack, which I couldn't see.

PenCox 15/Oct/06 2nd O/S
My Gravity 15/Sep/06 AltLd O/S

Bit boring - but perhaps this is because I could protect it well with cams...

Patrick H
Hidden ?/Sep/06 Lead O/S
Hidden 20/Aug/06 Lead
Nicos 05/Aug/06 Lead O/S
kp64zl ?/Aug/06 AltLd
Philip S
kjbix 06/Jul/06 AltLd
Richard Beech
Hidden 13/Jun/06 Lead O/S
Hidden 11/Jun/06 2nd O/S
crossdressingrodney 30/May/06 AltLd O/S
sophie whyte
Hidden 30/Apr/06 2nd
Brown 15/Apr/06 AltLd O/S
Hidden ?/Apr/06 Lead O/S
davidgent ?/Jan/06 Lead O/S

Wet and very slippy. Not the conditions for VS.

mattyork2 ?/Jan/06 Lead O/S
dan gibson ??/2006 -
jim robertson ??/2006 -
Hidden ??/2006 -
Jon_Warner ??/2006 2nd O/S
Bry ??/2006 AltLd
Hidden ??/2006 -
mikelaing ??/2006 -
arin78 ??/2006 2nd
Hidden ??/2006 AltLd O/S
spoony84 ??/2006 AltLd O/S

with john sellers

alpinismo.uk ??/2006 AltLd
Hidden 19/Nov/05 AltLd O/S
alaan ?/Nov/05 Lead O/S
Hidden 16/Oct/05 Lead O/S
david morse ?/Oct/05 2nd
chris todd
Hidden 24/Sep/05 AltLd O/S
Ben Griffiths ?/Sep/05 2nd β
Adam Booth 22/Aug/05 AltLd O/S
Ed Booth 22/Aug/05 AltLd
Hidden 18/Aug/05 AltLd O/S
GScot38 09/Aug/05 Lead O/S

One of the hardest VS 4c's I've ever done! Been told aafterwards that it's eaasier wiith one boot and one sticky lol.

maybe_si ?/Aug/05 Lead O/S
My Gravity 02/Jul/05 AltLd O/S
Tom Last ?/Jul/05 AltLd
Chesh 27/Jun/05 Lead
Derek Ryden 18/Jun/05 AltLd O/S
Matt Gordon
mikeyjbs 09/Jun/05 AltLd O/S
Gman ?/May/05 AltLd O/S
Si dH 02/Apr/05 AltLd O/S

Awesome route, great line, great climbing, but pretty scar yfor VS! Second pitch is definitely the crux despite what the PW guide says...

Alison Ingleby
kato'sdad 30/Mar/05 AltLd
RobSimmo 30/Mar/05 AltLd O/S
Shaw Brown ??/2005 AltLd O/S

Can get busy on the belay shared with spiral stairs

David Jones
centurion05 ??/2005 Lead O/S
andy haigh
a_radiohead_fan ??/2005 -
Christian Beck ??/2005 AltLd O/S
Rob84 ?/Oct/04 Lead dog
A Crook 19/Aug/04 AltLd O/S
Haglington ?/Aug/04 Lead O/S
Crystal Compton
joe c ook ?/Jul/04 Lead O/S
Hidden ?/Jul/04 AltLd
IanD353 ?/Jun/04 Lead O/S
SteveM 15/May/04 AltLd
Hidden 13/May/04 AltLd
Hidden 02/May/04 AltLd O/S
Bella 01/May/04 Lead O/S
Richard Horn ?/May/04 AltLd O/S
Rob84 ??/2004 Lead β
Alex Triffin
Hidden 26/Aug/03 2nd
samwelli 19/Jul/03 AltLd O/S
Steve Hobbs
jimshrimp 23/Jun/03 Lead

Ended up on the second pitch of Sabre Cut, after a navigational error looking for Better Things.

James B 21/Jun/03 -
BIgYeti86 ?/Jun/03 Lead
Chris the Tall ?/May/03 AltLd

Ian led first pitch, I led second. Both felt like 4c

Ian Fones
DavidR 05/Apr/03 AltLd O/S
John Marston
hangon 05/Apr/03 Lead O/S
Urgles ?/Apr/03 AltLd O/S
Mick B
keith leonard ??/2003 -
Hidden ??/2003 AltLd
Hidden ??/2003 AltLd O/S
Hidden 29/Sep/02 AltLd O/S
Hidden 26/Sep/02 2nd O/S
Hidden 11/Sep/02 Lead
PenJD 21/Jul/02 Lead O/S
Jon Ascroft
Different Steve ?/Jun/02 Lead rpt
Cathy Tye
Hidden ??/2002 Lead O/S
Hidden ??/2002 AltLd O/S
John Roe 10/Aug/01 AltLd
Tim Sugars
Hidden 30/Jun/01 Lead O/S
Hidden 30/Jun/01 Lead
Hidden ??/2001 AltLd O/S
Hidden ??/2001 Lead
Hidden ??/2001 Lead O/S
MoWalker3 01/Jan/00 AltLd
Paul Boardman ??/2000 AltLd O/S
Iain Boardman
Hidden ??/2000 -
pigeonjim ??/2000 Lead O/S
Ed Booth ??/2000 Lead O/S
marcoleptic ??/2000 Lead
VPJB ??/2000 -
Duncan I ?/Jul/99 AltLd
Si Coles
gonggashan ?/Jun/99 -
Dave Musgrove Jnr 01/May/99 AltLd
Sam Dew
Andrew Barker ??/1999 Lead

2nd pitch lead on PyB course, 1st lead in 2004.

belay bunny turned bad ??/1999 Lead
Hammy 22/Sep/98 AltLd
Nick Banks
Paul-Michael 19/Sep/98 AltLd O/S

Lead 1st pitch.

David Jupp
Hidden ?/Sep/98 Lead
Hidden ?/Jul/98 Lead
Hidden ??/1998 -
Ched ??/1998 Lead O/S
WB ??/1998 Lead O/S
John Pickles 19/May/97 AltLd O/S
smudge 21/Sep/96 Lead O/S
Russell Lovett 29/Jul/96 Lead O/S
andrew haigh
buxtoncoffeelover 07/Jul/96 2nd
Hidden 16/Jun/96 Lead O/S
five ?/Jun/96 AltLd O/S
Hidden ?/May/96 AltLd
Tim Bateman 10/Mar/96 AltLd
Rob Smith
Julian Wedd ??/1996 Lead
I. Raynor
NeilGriffiths ??/1996 Lead
Rog Wilko ?/Aug/95 AltLd

Finished up Better Things.

Debbie Wilkinson
Hidden 19/Jul/95 Lead
BenTiffin ?/Jan/95 2nd
Andy Bissell
Hidden ??/1995 AltLd O/S
Hidden ??/1995 -
switch ??/1995 AltLd O/S
Tom Vivian 15/Aug/94 Lead
James Moyle ?/Aug/94 2nd O/S
jamiev 30/Jun/94 Solo O/S
ruth snape
colin milton 16/Jun/94 AltLd
eric milton
Hidden ??/1994 AltLd
nai 02/Sep/93 2nd
Roger Devy
Chris Ellis 18/Aug/93 2nd
Alice Henderson
IanGilbertJones 01/Aug/93 2nd O/S
John Simpson ?/Aug/93 2nd O/S
Ian Roberts
Marti999 ??/1993 Lead
Pete_Frost ??/1993 AltLd O/S
Just Another Dave ??/1993 Lead O/S

My first VS!

Jo Bertalot
ellie macpherson ?/Jun/92 AltLd

Top pitch is superb

Lawrence Jarvis
Hidden ?/Sep/91 AltLd
Iain Thow 14/Aug/91 AltLd

Led pitch 2, gear? What gear?

Rob Ivens
Hidden 02/May/91 Lead
Hidden ?/Apr/91 Lead
DubyaJamesDubya ??/1991 Lead O/S
Roger Howarth
Hidden 28/Jun/90 2nd
whispering nic ?/Apr/90 -
Sammy PYB
ChrisJD 17/Mar/90 Lead
Hidden ??/1990 Lead O/S
Hidden ??/1990 Lead
Tom V ??/1990 -
Hidden ??/1990 -
andy gittins ??/1990 -
Steve Lenartowicz ??/1990 -
Hidden ??/1990 -
Hidden ??/1990 AltLd
Hidden ??/1990 Lead O/S
OMSKB ?/Aug/89 Lead

scary no gear placed in the whole of the second pitch.

John Roberts
Hidden ?/Aug/89 Lead
babymoac 29/Jul/89 AltLd
Rob A & Mark
phardman 10/Jun/89 Lead O/S
Paula Hamilton-Gibson ??/1989 -
Jean Williamson, Bill Williamson
PaulHermes ??/1989 -
rob.grafton ??/1989 -
Bruce Perry, barry maybank
Hidden 29/Oct/88 AltLd
Hidden ?/Oct/88 -
Hidden 07/May/88 AltLd O/S
Paul Figg ?/Mar/88 Lead
robyn1 ??/1988 -
AndyB123 ?/Aug/87 Lead dnf
Hidden 05/Jul/87 Lead
hazeysunshine 25/May/87 Lead
Hidden ?/May/87 AltLd O/S
BigHairyIan 31/Mar/87 2nd O/S
GuySummers 31/Mar/87 Lead
John Brayshaw ??/1987 2nd rpt
Andy Farley
davemhart 18/Aug/86 Lead O/S
Backinthegame ?/Aug/86 Lead O/S
Stephen hughes, Gary Hughes
Gary Coggon ?/Jun/86 Lead O/S
Pete Leeming
michael burrows 04/Apr/86 AltLd O/S

led 1st pitch

ian nettleton
Steve Crowe 15/Sep/85 Lead O/S
John HW ?/Aug/85 Lead
Steve Bell ??/1985 -
Ian Clare ??/1985 -
JamieAyres ?/Aug/84 Lead O/S

found it easy

Gareth Williams
wynaptomos ?/Jun/84 Lead O/S
Ian Jones ?/Jul/83 Lead O/S
Geraldine Taylor
Hidden ??/1983 -
Hidden ??/1983 -
Hidden ?/Sep/82 Solo rpt
Nic Robinson ??/1982 -
Robmwatt ??/1982 Lead
John Brayshaw 01/Jul/81 2nd O/S
AlanLittle ??/1981 Lead
Nigel Coe 05/May/80 -
Steve Portnoi
GordonHart ??/1980 Lead
robinsi197 ??/1980 -
Chris Craggs ??/1980 -
Hidden ??/1980 Lead
Hidden ??/1980 Lead
Norman_P_W ??/1980 -
mikej 22/May/79 Lead
Tony Waite
rogerskews ??/1979 AltLd
Martin Coward
Hidden ?/Oct/78 Lead O/S
Hidden ?/Sep/78 Lead
Hammy 27/May/78 AltLd
Jonathon Stacey
Hidden ?/Apr/78 Lead
Hidden ??/1978 Lead
telemark ??/1978 AltLd
Jim Sutherland
Brian Wilderspin ?/Oct/77 AltLd
Sean Curtis
jmr 14/Jul/77 AltLd
Nigel (from Horsham)
Mike Owen 04/Jul/77 -


Falko 26/Jun/77 AltLd O/S

In the rain, in Super RDs and with big sacs. Part of a 'round trip' started because of poor morning weather in the Pass. Ended up doing Dolerite Dump, Slow Ledge, Reade's Route, Snowdon summit, Spiral Stairs, Dives, and Sabre Cut.

Al W.
Nigel Bond 05/Mar/77 Lead
Tony Cuddy, Dave
steve L ??/1977 -
Hidden ?/Jul/76 AltLd
Mark Kemball 19/Oct/75 Lead
Paul Clark
Bolt Phobia 18/May/75 AltLd
John Broadwell
Sean Kelly ??/1974 Lead

Had to talk a very nervous second up the 2nd pitch step by step, one move at a time. Her first time climbing!

Gavin Anderson
Andy Say ??/1973 Lead
rockofades 22/Aug/70 Lead O/S
greenbuoy 11/Aug/70 2nd
Terry Taylor
granitbahn ??/1970 Lead
tapley 29/Sep/69 AltLd
Dave Hearnshaw
Sean Kelly ??/1969 AltLd
Dick Curtis & Paul Chapman
Dave Musgrove 15/Sep/68 AltLd
Bob Knapton
Gordon Stainforth 12/Aug/68 AltLd
John Stainforth
Hidden 16/Sep/67 Lead
Hidden 16/Jul/66 AltLd
mikej 19/Jun/66 AltLd
Mike Byles
uphillnow ??/1962 Lead

Used engineering nuts on line as protection - I think for the first time. Previously had used spliced slings which could be threaded or placed over spikes.

High HVS
High VS
Mid VS
Low VS
High HS
Mid HS
Low HS
Votes cast 167
High 5a
Mid 5a
Low 5a
High 4c
Mid 4c
Low 4c
High 4b
Mid 4b
Low 4b
Votes cast 152
Votes cast 146
Style of ascent
Alt Leads
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