55m, 2 pitches.

Rockfax Description
Another Pass classic. The top pitch requires a certain love of wide cracks. Start at a corner by a small tree, 4m right of Dives/Better Things.
1) 4c, 32m. Climb the corner, then head right over vegetated ground to The Forest.
2) 4b, 25m. Follow the wide and sustained corner-crack to the top. Protection is a bit fiddly without very big cams, and the whole thing is awkward. © Rockfax

Ticklists: The 100 Best UK VS routes?, North Wales Rock Graded List, UK Classic Corners, North wales road to ruins HVS.

Hidden 15/Oct Lead O/S
GPN 14/Oct Lead
with Annette
net 14/Oct 2nd
with George
DavidFarrow 04/Oct Lead O/S

Got lost on the HS, had a mini epic. Had to add sn extra pitch because route was longer than tge HS and the ropes may not have reached. Interesting and complex route, but gear was disgusting and i did the top 8m without any.

with Neil Turner
mariannekhoo 03/Oct AltLd O/S

Led P1. Vince placed our DMM Size 6 cam about halfway up the wide crack and then ran it out to the top.

with Vincent Lister
Pete_Frost 03/Oct AltLd rpt

Led p1 - oddly, the gorse and heather don't really get in the way. Top pitch is good fun, with a handy abseil station at the belay. It's a good idea to carry the rope down in a bag, or lap-coiled over a sling if you're abseiling, as there's a lot of traffic across the route of the descent.

with Chris Gardener
AngelaC 03/Oct AltLd
Hidden 28/Sep Lead O/S
jalqazzaz 28/Sep 2nd O/S
Hidden 27/Sep AltLd rpt
Hidden 19/Sep AltLd rpt
Liam Ingram 19/Sep AltLd O/S


with Jake Dowell
annep11 19/Sep AltLd O/S
with Morgan
JamieSparkes 19/Sep Lead O/S

Great top pitch, scrappy lower half.

Hidden 19/Sep AltLd
Dogwood 11/Sep Lead O/S

Ro lead the first pitch of Dives HS then we migrated to Sabre Cut. I missed some gear and ended up with a pretty ballsy run out.

Bodiggo 11/Sep 2nd O/S
SenzuBean 06/Sep AltLd O/S

Rikki led P1. I led P2 - found it fairly challenging, but superb in every way. :) My first proper route on the Cromlech too :D

with Rikki, Paul C
dkd 07/Aug Lead O/S
with Al
bob johnson 19/Jul AltLd
with Rich Ball
PeteMc 11/Jul AltLd
tom0french 11/Jul AltLd O/S
Stickle Tarn 10/Jul Lead O/S
noemie5438 10/Jul AltLd O/S
with Mark
Ian Stirrups 10/Jul AltLd
with Sue
Andrew Lodge 10/Jul AltLd O/S

Led P2, a great pitch but not the easiest to protect without a rack of huge cams

with Dave
jordana86 10/Jul 2nd dnf
ndraper1 03/Jul Lead

dan meandered round to the right towards spiral stairs giving a bolder start (hvs/e1). The second pitch has very little in terms of reliable gear but climbing easy and interesting. Rapped off in one 60m.

Brendan 03/Jul Lead O/S

I would strongly recommend taking a size four Camelot or a similarly big cam, the second pitch was very bold without one.

with Del
rfdl100 ?/Jul AltLd O/S
with Rikki
Albachoss 29/Jun Lead O/S
with Amy
Little Amy 29/Jun 2nd O/S
with Alex
omaskrey 27/Jun AltLd O/S

Tom lead the first pitch and I lead the second. Definitely would have been easier with big cams. A testing but brilliant route

twill 27/Jun AltLd O/S
catrin289 23/Jun AltLd O/S

Lead pitch one, felt hard with new shoes on polished footholds. Second pitch looks like an intimidating wide crack but jugs/crimps everywhere on the side, don't need to crack climb at all

with Rona
Gav Williams 19/Jun 2nd

Pitch 2 only

Jules Lane 19/Jun Lead O/S

P2 only as P1 looked a bit crappy, so did Dives first, which made for an excellent combo. P2 is a 'big pitch' up the stunning line of the slightly curving corner high above the valley. This is NOT your standard 4b outing ! I had to have a word with myself before committing to the middle section where enforced calmness and careful planning of moves meant that it all worked out nicely.

Matthew Ferrier 18/Jun 2nd
amccann 18/Jun Lead O/S
minty1984 15/Jun 2nd O/S

On a guided day with Libby Peters. Abbed in and climbed the 2nd pitch only. Great route

Hidden 13/Jun Lead O/S
Tom Pillow 13/Jun 2nd O/S

Not sure we did the first pitch right but the second one was great and Andy made it look easy.

with Andy McCoy
alexm198 04/Jun AltLd O/S
ASchwirtz 27/May Lead O/S

Not much gear on second pitch, probably hard 5a

Ed Booth 26/May AltLd rpt
with nick scott
wynniemandela 23/May 2nd

Very awkward bridging and few good gear palcements.

Hidden 23/May Lead O/S
davebrox 21/May -
with Vanders
AndrewP 13/May AltLd rpt
Maywood96 04/May AltLd

Lead 2nd Pitch. Tough but very exciting. Quite interesting in the Very wet and cold but nice to pretty much have the crag to ourselves on a bank holiday!

Hidden 04/May Lead
JenShelley 10/Apr 2nd

Really enjoyed this route. Day 5 of PYB "Moving Out" course. Feels like being miles above the Pass and some moves that made me think!

Hidden 10/Apr 2nd
Teappleby 10/Apr Lead
Hidden 10/Apr 2nd
Hidden 08/Apr 2nd
Stanners 21/Mar AltLd O/S

P1. Great to be be back at the pass! Cracking second pitch, but sustained and awkward with care needed for the gear. Good lead from Giles getting his lead head back on and a good start to the weekend trip

with Giles
Sam Husband 21/Mar AltLd rpt

Lead pitch 1 after having accidently done P2 as my second lead! Much more pleasant three years on and good to see I've made some progress!

with Tom
ian Wignall 21/Mar AltLd O/S
adi bryant 21/Mar AltLd O/S

Lovely climb. . A bit too much after the night we'd had.

tombushell 21/Mar AltLd
Hidden 15/Feb AltLd O/S
Hidden ??/2015 -
mzk ??/2015 -

Managed to get off-route and do the bottom pitch of Dives/ Better Things, and the top pitch of this. Bold pitch, good lead by Alex!

tomlevett ??/2015 -
Hidden ??/2015 AltLd
Hidden 15/Nov/14 AltLd O/S
bencoope 15/Nov/14 Lead O/S
Knut 15/Nov/14 AltLd

Lead 1st pitch. Second pitch was harder, although the guide book seems to think otherwise.

Martin Bagshaw 13/Oct/14 Lead O/S
with Ed Green
aljones91 12/Oct/14 AltLd O/S

Lead corner pitch, tough but fun! Most of my blind placed gear fell out which was worrying but a great route!

with Ben hester
Hidden 11/Oct/14 AltLd O/S
Hidden 28/Sep/14 2nd O/S
mjeffery 22/Sep/14 AltLd O/S
largejason 22/Sep/14 AltLd O/S
Pero 21/Sep/14 Lead
Hidden 17/Sep/14 AltLd
stuart34 15/Sep/14 2nd
Peter Metcalfe 14/Sep/14 AltLd
with Roger Chaldecott
Hidden 13/Sep/14 Lead O/S
Rory Shaw 13/Sep/14 2nd
Alex the Alex 09/Sep/14 Lead O/S

very good despite the polish, but 4b on the upper pitch? really?! had a serious wobble on the second pitch after a foot slipped...

bomtall 06/Sep/14 AltLd O/S
jeddb 06/Sep/14 AltLd O/S

Lead second pitch

with bomtall
David_Gledson 05/Sep/14 AltLd O/S

I led p1. P2 is simply amazing. What a pitch!!

Hidden 05/Sep/14 2nd O/S
KKilroy 04/Sep/14 Lead O/S
with james hales
Hidden 02/Sep/14 2nd
handofgod ?/Sep/14 2nd O/S

only did 1st picth then abed off

Hidden 14/Aug/14 AltLd O/S
HB-Pencil 08/Aug/14 2nd O/S
JamesLloyd 28/Jul/14 AltLd O/S
kenneM 25/Jul/14 Lead
with Nick Murray, Davey Luke
jsmcfarland 20/Jul/14 Lead O/S

I led the first pitch which felt a little run out in places though I'm pretty sure I went a little off route. Though that the second pitch would be nice for my partners first trad lead, BIG mistake! He put in a heroic effort then gave up and I lowered him off his gear 1/3 up the big crack, we swapped rope ends then I went up and finished it. Really awesome climbing but yet another sandbag VS in the pass in my opinion :P

with Alan
alanblyth 20/Jul/14 AltLd
spenser 18/Jul/14 AltLd O/S

Ross led P1, I led P2, crux on the first pitch took a bit of working out although apparently I missed a jug. Stepping across from the ramp on P2 is pretty interesting, the route is fairly well protected without needing massive gear in a crack on the right, but all of the gear is placed blind and you can't really make sure it is seated fantastically. Easily worth 3 stars!

with Ross
rosiehawker 05/Jul/14 AltLd O/S
with Geoff Hannis
Dizz 01/Jul/14 AltLd rpt
with Martina
Ben Briggs ?/Jul/14 Lead O/S
with Abs
maria85 29/Jun/14 Lead O/S

Led both pitches.

with Ronnie
Hidden 29/Jun/14 2nd
mistymarsh 28/Jun/14 2nd

PS leading rob and I seconding. A wonderful climb

Nigel Coe 24/Jun/14 AltLd
with Pete Kelly
planetmarshall 22/Jun/14 AltLd

Led P2. Tremendous. First pitch very steep. 2nd pitch just has to be experienced. Look for hidden jugs and take the largest cams you have (Size 4 camalot minimum)

with Ned
ned_85 22/Jun/14 AltLd
steve phillips 21/Jun/14 Lead O/S

lead 2nd pitch which is 4c! and used internal crack for pro

with Alison
Alison Cairns 21/Jun/14 2nd
with steve phillips
davewsargent 20/Jun/14 AltLd O/S
with andy neath
charlielow 18/Jun/14 2nd

Did first pitch of Dives/Better Things then accidentally ended up on the second pitch of this! Ellie had a mini epic leading and got her leg wedged in the crack, had to be rescued via an abseil and a lot of pulling!

Ella7 18/Jun/14 Lead dnf

Foolishly ended up on this after Dives/Better this. Got my leg firmly and painfully wedged in the steep crack that was too big for any of my gear... twice!so much so the second time that I had to be rescued by ab. Lessons were learnt!

Hidden 17/Jun/14 AltLd O/S
darcan 15/Jun/14 Lead O/S
with beau
Senna 14/Jun/14 Lead O/S

Didn't have big enough gear for crack of second pitch so ran it out all the way. Felt safe though

jtree03 13/Jun/14 2nd

Good route, both pitches should be 4c

with Col, Brother Al
Col Kingshott 13/Jun/14 AltLd
grrrrrrrh 05/Jun/14 AltLd O/S

Led first pitch

with Rosie Hawker
Sardien 31/May/14 Lead rpt
with Phine, Sophie Ackermann
davkeo 30/May/14 AltLd O/S

Lead P1. First 5m were lovely. Fantastic 2nd pitch.

cearbhalld 30/May/14 AltLd O/S

Led P2

alaster tonge 30/May/14 Lead O/S

Sustained corner climbing; crack too big for gear but some placements in smaller internal crack and wall. High adrenaline, good, thinking climbing on p2 with probably good small wires placed half blindly so a little faith is good. Hard to fall off from.

with Lailah, Assad Lahlou
tobydunford 30/May/14 AltLd O/S
with Harry Martin
RyanOsborne 18/May/14 2nd
Diggler 17/May/14 AltLd O/S
with stemill
stemill 17/May/14 AltLd

Led P2 - not 4b!

with Mark
Hidden 17/May/14 AltLd O/S
steve_gibbs 17/May/14 AltLd O/S
with Ollie Stevens
John Nuttall 17/May/14 Lead
with Andy H
Sol Armer 15/May/14 AltLd O/S

Ended up leading this instead of 'Better Things' by accident. Definitely not 4b! 5a climbing, maybe 4c if your good in offwidths.. Felt very serious, and very run out; didn't have any big gear. Also couldn't see how good my placements were and kicked out and essential nut.

JanBella 06/May/14 2nd O/S
with matt
Tom Redmond 02/May/14 AltLd O/S
with joe cossey
chancer 02/May/14 AltLd O/S
with Fraser Campbell
Morris123 21/Apr/14 AltLd
jack 9895 20/Apr/14 AltLd O/S
Richardlake 19/Apr/14 AltLd O/S
Jonathan Richardson 19/Apr/14 AltLd O/S

Lead P1

with Russ
will_lake 19/Apr/14 AltLd O/S
pravski 16/Apr/14 Lead
deejmonkey 13/Apr/14 AltLd
with Damian
Daymo 13/Apr/14 AltLd O/S
with DJ
Hidden 12/Apr/14 AltLd O/S
jezb1 11/Apr/14 2nd
will moy 11/Apr/14 Lead O/S
with Jez
carl_123 10/Apr/14 AltLd O/S
Hidden ?/Apr/14 Lead O/S
Julesthe1st 15/Mar/14 AltLd O/S
with Andrea, Mike
Hidden 11/Mar/14 AltLd O/S
djking1983 11/Mar/14 AltLd O/S

Led p2

David Kay 08/Mar/14 AltLd O/S
Hidden 08/Mar/14 AltLd O/S
Hidden ?/Mar/14 AltLd
Hidden ??/2014 -
Si ??/2014 -
mike mo ??/2014 -
Alfie Conn ??/2014 -
Allanfairfechan ??/2014 -
mileshill540 ??/2014 Lead
Dan Hostford 30/Nov/13 Lead O/S

Second pitch harder of the two

with Fudge
andrew549 24/Nov/13 2nd O/S
onlyfoddington 09/Nov/13 AltLd

This climb has earned me two nicknames: trango Dave and Dave the pooh. I managed to get my knee stuck for half an hour after going to a deliberate knee jam on lead. Very painful. The first pitch was damp with one tricky move. I lead the second pitch which seemed hard for 4b and I struggled to protect. Memorable nonetheless.

will_benfold 09/Nov/13 Lead O/S
tcn_2002 09/Nov/13 AltLd
Hidden 09/Nov/13 2nd
alpinismo.uk 28/Sep/13 2nd
Simon Cahill 28/Sep/13 Lead rpt

lead both pitches, pt 2 is harder pitch despite given grades.

malteserEd 22/Sep/13 Lead
Adrianw 22/Sep/13 2nd
with Adam Spiller
Dr Toph 20/Sep/13 Lead O/S

Maybe I didnt find the hidden holds inside the crack, but even still, P2 was no 4b. Technical 4c/5a IMHO. Enjoyable climbing though, like an easy Cenotaph Corner.

with Emily
Hidden 02/Sep/13 AltLd
GOS 31/Aug/13 AltLd O/S

GC P1; GOS P2 - sustained corner climbing; crack too big for gear but some placements in smaller internal crack. High adrenaline

Hidden 31/Aug/13 AltLd O/S
Hidden 31/Aug/13 -
Freshprintce 29/Aug/13 Lead O/S
with Will Warrington
Andre Clarke 29/Aug/13 Lead O/S

Protection fiddly in back of crack but nice climb

with jamster
Craigyboy13 26/Aug/13 AltLd O/S
Double Knee Bar 26/Aug/13 AltLd O/S

L 2nd pitch. Awkward climbing. Nice.

Hidden 26/Aug/13 AltLd O/S
Mouse5 24/Aug/13 2nd β

Awesome route, plenty of pockets and crimps inside the crack to use. Hard work but really enjoyable.

with Tom Hatt
andycash 20/Aug/13 AltLd O/S

Lead P1 which went no problem, Second pitch no technically hard but need very big gear to protect.

with Ash
Ash Sayers 20/Aug/13 AltLd O/S
Simon Cahill 10/Aug/13 AltLd rpt

Lead pt 1, Ray lead pt 2, still found pt 2 the harder pitch despite the guidebook suggesting pitch one is 4c and pitch two 4b, Note crack (Pt2)doesn't take much gear unless you have huge cams, side wall takes a range of nuts.

Ray Sparks 10/Aug/13 AltLd O/S
Jim Brooke 10/Aug/13 Lead

both pitches, to remind me how wires work after a couple of years off... would have helped if half the placements hadn't been blind... Friend 4 would also have helped!

with Rich
Hidden 10/Aug/13 2nd O/S
SimonvanDam 10/Aug/13 AltLd
roberts1234567890 10/Aug/13 AltLd
robgixer ?/Aug/13 Lead
grakgrak 28/Jul/13 AltLd O/S

Lead 2nd pitch with rich. Very exposed long runout at top

with Richard hughes
Dan Vaj 27/Jul/13 AltLd O/S
with Khalid
Shone 27/Jul/13 Lead

Lead the corner, placed cams 3, 4 & 5. Plenty of wires, some placed blind inside the wide crack but they felt good. It's a long pitch with serious feel.

with Rob
khalidq 27/Jul/13 AltLd O/S

Great second pitch. Avoided the run out with big cams and moved them as I went along. Also good wires. Didn't feel that it was so run out.

martin c 26/Jul/13 Lead O/S

No choice but to run that bad boy top crack out!

Hidden 24/Jul/13 AltLd
wild_nomad 20/Jul/13 Lead O/S

Very good but incredibly bold 2nd pitch which had a very long run out section (possibly 15m). Falling near the top would be very serious! No way 4b climbing either more like 4c / 5a.

with Dean, Kevin
Helen Gibson 16/Jul/13 AltLd
with Max
Hidden 08/Jul/13 2nd
Big Lee 06/Jul/13 AltLd O/S

Led the fantastic pitch 2. Bridged virtually the whole pitch with almost no jamming. No gear in the upper half despite ample time dedicated to trying to find placements in the cracks within the wide crack. Maybe used my only number 4 friend too early low down as ground fall potential by the top of the pitch.

Sam Simpson 05/Jul/13 AltLd O/S
Hidden 05/Jul/13 AltLd O/S
CurlyStevo ?/Jul/13 AltLd

I lead pitch 1

with Lee H
jack adams ?/Jul/13 AltLd O/S
with craig lukins
ifletcher 25/Jun/13 2nd O/S
tgeh 25/Jun/13 AltLd O/S

Don't see why people think p2 is bold i laced the route with mainly nuts, didn't use a big cam

with imogene, dan geh
Dan Geh 25/Jun/13 AltLd O/S
Kevin Robert Jones 20/Jun/13 Lead O/S
woody0606 19/Jun/13 AltLd O/S


Goodstuff 19/Jun/13 AltLd O/S

Pitch 1. First pitch is good fun, but second is amazing- gets pretty bold near the top because of the widening crack.

Kyle87 19/Jun/13 AltLd O/S


Hidden 18/Jun/13 Lead
Nigel R Lewis 18/Jun/13 2nd
with Steve Kedward
miles01 09/Jun/13 Lead O/S

small nuts not big cams, stitched up the crack on the inside right.

Jenny Hall 08/Jun/13 2nd O/S

second pitch definately not 4b

with Louis
Louis Hume 08/Jun/13 Lead

P1 = a right steep sausage, P2 = toughest 4b I ever did see, ran that puppy out cos I wanted out of there.

with Jenny
Bert 08/Jun/13 Lead O/S

Lead 1st pitch

bobpilgrem 04/Jun/13 Lead rpt
with Bob/Nic
Hidden 02/Jun/13 AltLd O/S
BeckyS 01/Jun/13 2nd
Brannock 01/Jun/13 AltLd O/S

With Bunny and stu, Led 1st pitch, second pitch burly.

Hidden 01/Jun/13 2nd O/S
MPSBunny 01/Jun/13 AltLd O/S

John led the first pitch which felt intimidatingly steep. I led the second pitch which was a wide crack in a corner which was wider than my largest piece of gear (blue cam placed low down). Ended up running out the top of the pitch as I couldn't find gear and became very committed.

steve prior ?/Jun/13 AltLd
with Roger C
rbharries 31/May/13 AltLd O/S

I shat myself on the second pitch

with Greg Edwards
JenRoberts 31/May/13 2nd O/S
with Lee
Goose4 31/May/13 AltLd O/S
Pero 26/May/13 AltLd O/S
Hidden 25/May/13 AltLd O/S
Hidden 25/May/13 AltLd O/S
redshapedfriday 24/May/13 AltLd O/S
with Bram
BTphonehome 24/May/13 AltLd O/S
with Graham H
Rachel Somerville 19/May/13 AltLd O/S
with David
AndrewP 05/May/13 AltLd O/S

I lead P1, Gareth lead P2. Top pitch is great.

FelixPeterken 05/May/13 2nd O/S

A very pleasurable climb, with a lot of bridging on the top pitch.

Gareth T 05/May/13 AltLd O/S
with AndrewP
jameslam 04/May/13 Lead O/S
with Dom Wild, Bosh
Hidden 02/May/13 AltLd O/S
leeoftroy ?/May/13 Lead O/S

Lead top section with no gear....big cams essential!

Hidden ?/May/13 Lead O/S
Hidden 30/Apr/13 Lead
Hidden 30/Apr/13 2nd
Bex_M 25/Apr/13 AltLd O/S
with Gianluca
Johnywilks 22/Apr/13 Lead O/S

Great climb, stiff second pitch, more 4c than 4b. Big cams required for second pitch.

JonesJ 22/Apr/13 2nd O/S
Johnywilks 22/Apr/13 Lead O/S
tim newton 20/Apr/13 AltLd O/S
with george
herman0055 20/Apr/13 AltLd
shed_hed 20/Apr/13 Solo O/S
magicdougie 10/Apr/13 Lead

Bring Gear big enough for the crack or be ready for one hell of a runout

JCAshman 08/Apr/13 AltLd O/S
georgedunton 03/Mar/13 AltLd O/S

led pitch 2

with Ryan Lang
Hidden 03/Mar/13 AltLd
RKirke 02/Mar/13 AltLd O/S
Ben1983 02/Mar/13 Lead O/S
67hours 02/Mar/13 AltLd O/S

Lead P2. Ran it all out at the end, good route!

with Steeeeeve
tombushell 02/Mar/13 AltLd O/S
with Roger Kirke
Hidden 02/Feb/13 Lead
Sam Melville ??/2013 -
Hidden ??/2013 -
Richard Kinsman ??/2013 Lead O/S
rob16 ??/2013 -
tim20 ??/2013 -
Andy Chadwick ??/2013 -
neilh ??/2013 -
Tony Kartawick ??/2013 -
Ian craigie ??/2013 Lead
Hidden 18/Nov/12 -
Danjones 21/Oct/12 2nd rpt

With 1st pitch of dives/better things. Top pitch, good corner pitch.

with George, Steve Keys
Hidden 21/Oct/12 AltLd O/S
tomwheeler 07/Oct/12 AltLd

Lead P2. Hard for 4b, tricky to protect. Ran out instead.

Hidden 06/Oct/12 Lead O/S
helenstuart 08/Sep/12 AltLd O/S
with Mike
papashango 08/Sep/12 AltLd


with Rob
Hidden 08/Sep/12 Lead β
Hidden 07/Sep/12 2nd
Hidden 05/Sep/12 AltLd O/S
stuart34 05/Sep/12 AltLd O/S
David Robinson 11/Aug/12 Lead
Steve Vincent 11/Aug/12 2nd
with David Robinson
jon_ridley 10/Aug/12 Lead O/S
Emily Cropton 10/Aug/12 2nd
tomparrott 28/Jul/12 AltLd O/S

Led the second pitch and managed to get my fingers well and truly stuck in a crack. Apart from that minor setback cracking crack climbing.

with DJ
deejmonkey 28/Jul/12 AltLd
with Tom
The Bad Cough 27/Jul/12 AltLd rpt
jon22 27/Jul/12 AltLd
Kevster 21/Jul/12 2nd
tonevert 12/Jul/12 Lead O/S
with Kevin Faux
jonleighton 26/May/12 Lead O/S
Hidden 26/May/12 2nd O/S
Yong_Welsh 25/May/12 Lead O/S

Pitch 2. 4b?

with Jason
jason reeve 24/May/12 AltLd O/S
with iwan
Ross.Cooper 22/May/12 AltLd O/S

Led pitch 1, good upper crack.

jezb1 16/May/12 AltLd

Ld P1. Thought the climb was pretty straight forward and P2 had plenty of gear on the inner crack.

Hidden 16/May/12 AltLd O/S
paddy1024 15/May/12 Lead O/S
Hidden 13/May/12 Lead O/S
Frank Blakeley 12/May/12 AltLd O/S

2nd Pitch no way is this 4b, hard to protect without large cams (which i didnt have)

Mike Turner 12/May/12 AltLd O/S
John Lewis 12/May/12 AltLd O/S

Led Pitch 2

with Barra, Simon
Hidden 12/May/12 AltLd O/S
Hidden 06/May/12 Lead O/S
UncleMephisto ?/May/12 Lead O/S
with Joe Newport
pete87abs 14/Apr/12 AltLd O/S

dont get your get stuck

with Rosie Crossley
namagnall 14/Apr/12 2nd
Hidden 01/Apr/12 2nd O/S
Hidden 01/Apr/12 AltLd O/S
Hidden ?/Apr/12 Lead O/S
Hidden 30/Mar/12 AltLd
Dan724 29/Mar/12 Lead O/S
with Dan Ely
Hidden 28/Mar/12 AltLd
joe_lancs 27/Mar/12 Lead O/S
Hidden 26/Mar/12 Lead
Danny Crump 24/Mar/12 Lead O/S
Sam Husband 19/Mar/12 AltLd O/S

Second pitch only after first two pitches of Spiral Stairs. Lovely climb, limited protection!

with Tom
Hidden 02/Mar/12 -
ldadams ?/Mar/12 AltLd O/S
with Nigel
tombushell ?/Mar/12 2nd
Hidden ?/Mar/12 -
davidtrelawnyross ??/2012 -
Ian JL ??/2012 -
alan moore ??/2012 -

Ugly beast.

Hidden ??/2012 -
Josh Dickerson ??/2012 2nd O/S
with Andy Lawrence
Stewart Armstrong ??/2012 -
captain dringo ??/2012 -
Hidden ??/2012 -
Hidden ??/2012 -
Tony Kartawick ??/2012 -
cmarsden5 ??/2012 -
with Nathan Magnall
Stone Idle ??/2012 -
Hidden ??/2012 Lead
wi11 14/Nov/11 Solo rpt

down p2

adam 24 05/Nov/11 Lead O/S
FrenchOlly ?/Nov/11 Lead O/S
pete_fewings 15/Oct/11 Lead O/S
fizzychewitt 02/Oct/11 AltLd

Excellent climb, both pitches good quality

with Jayne
Adam Booth 30/Sep/11 Lead O/S
Ellen Cobby 30/Sep/11 2nd dog
wi11 28/Sep/11 AltLd O/S


with Meg
Hidden 01/Sep/11 Lead
Simon Cahill 22/Aug/11 AltLd

Climbed with Lee but not logged at time, repeated 12th May 2012 as second with Frank & Mike, wet hands, so so cold, wouldn't have wanted to lead.

Blurgy319 18/Aug/11 AltLd O/S

Led P1, Pete led P2 in the rain, really enjoyable route, will do again in the dry. All this was after Pete decided to do his own thing on the face, lowered off then handed me the rack, at the stance on actual sabre cut lowered him to get his gear, good times haha

with Peter Williams
Hidden 18/Aug/11 Lead O/S
fizzychewitt 06/Aug/11 AltLd dnf

Started 2nd pitch in drizzle, turned to downpour half way up so retreated and abbed off. Great 1st pitch though.

with Jayne
Adi Hooper 05/Aug/11 AltLd

Led 1st pitch

mikeshewring 03/Aug/11 Lead O/S
alexjz 30/Jul/11 Lead O/S

lead both pitches. Found second pitch harder, but also a lot better than first pitch

with Matt
Hidden 26/Jul/11 2nd O/S
Hidden 26/Jul/11 AltLd
martrin 24/Jul/11 AltLd
with Sarah Kekus
robman 24/Jul/11 Lead O/S
Matthew Scott-Chalmers 23/Jul/11 2nd

Nice 1st pitch for a 4c?? 2nd pitch very scrappy lot's of bridging and shuffling with one harder move just below the top, I used my heel on the edge of the huge (lose your leg huge) crack to gain further holds before topping out.

with Robert Evans
Didymus 14/Jul/11 Lead O/S

p1 only to get to Foil

with Rich
mfisher 13/Jul/11 AltLd O/S
ollyroberts 13/Jul/11 AltLd O/S

Pitch 1

with Matty
Hidden 12/Jul/11 AltLd O/S
vertically_challenged 04/Jul/11 2nd O/S

climbed in from the v diff that crosses it then did the second pitch. nice climb, a bit bold for vs.

cem 03/Jul/11 AltLd O/S

Led p2

with Peter Murphy
petegruf 03/Jul/11 AltLd
with charles m
catblack 01/Jul/11 AltLd O/S

lead 2nd pitch - very good and quite intense for VS

daveyji ?/Jul/11 Lead

Led pitch 2. Quite hard and a bit run out at crux.

with Linda Williamson
ajeakins ?/Jul/11 AltLd O/S

Led second pitch.

with Elliot
icTris ?/Jul/11 AltLd O/S

Lead p1, p2 made for a fun second

with Fresher
Elliot Carrington ?/Jul/11 AltLd O/S

Elliot P1, Adrian P2

J.Wells 29/Jun/11 AltLd O/S

great second pitch, terrible first

blueroly 25/Jun/11 2nd O/S

A tough climb on a rainy day. We were the only climbers out all day... I wonder why!!! I love this route.

with Oleg Makarov
Hidden 19/Jun/11 Lead
iwanap 13/Jun/11 AltLd O/S

Found the last pitch tiring, changed leads on the last pitch

with Gerwyn
simon1965 11/Jun/11 AltLd O/S
with dom
Tom Keaveny 04/Jun/11 AltLd O/S

led 2nd pitch

matty123 04/Jun/11 AltLd
Hidden 04/Jun/11 Lead O/S
Lev 02/Jun/11 AltLd O/S
Hidden 02/Jun/11 AltLd O/S
JasTaplin ?/Jun/11 AltLd O/S
Hidden ?/Jun/11 AltLd
chrism225 28/May/11 Lead O/S
with Nat
selbs83 15/May/11 Lead O/S
Ceridwen 25/Apr/11 AltLd O/S

My guide (ground up) says the first pitch is 4c but the second is definitely harder.

with Phil
Hidden 25/Apr/11 2nd O/S
mksmith35 20/Apr/11 AltLd O/S

Led 1st pitch.

iwebster59017 20/Apr/11 AltLd O/S
psychomansam 19/Apr/11 AltLd

led first pitch. Second is harder with a few lovely moves, but bit polished.

Katex 19/Apr/11 AltLd O/S

Si led pitch 1 and I led pitch 2.

with Simon Edwards
Ashley Hold 19/Apr/11 AltLd rpt
with Ruth Littlejohn
Hidden 19/Apr/11 AltLd O/S
andrewlyons14 18/Apr/11 2nd O/S

was a really good climb. climbed really well

with Andy Mcque
ian d f 18/Apr/11 AltLd O/S
with Mark
markfromstoke 18/Apr/11 AltLd
with Ian
Hidden 13/Apr/11 Lead O/S
Lenny 10/Apr/11 AltLd O/S
with John
DKaye 09/Apr/11 AltLd O/S

We started up Spiral Stairs, but it was my turn to lead the second pitch and I was drawn to the corner crack that forms the top pitch of this route, for which it would later transpire I was woefully ill-racked in terms of big cams. All I'll say is it's pretty sandbagged at VS 4b! That's not to say I didn't love every second though! Pretty wonderful climbing.

with Matt Ringrose
Hidden 09/Apr/11 Lead O/S
matt_ringrose 09/Apr/11 AltLd
with Duncan Kaye
Andy Peak 1 06/Apr/11 Lead

windy and damp

with Dom pipe
stargazer85 ?/Apr/11 AltLd
Greenman28 ?/Apr/11 -
Hidden ?/Apr/11 AltLd O/S
Monkey_Alan 27/Mar/11 Lead O/S

Nice route. The top corner is steeper than it looks. Managed to wedge my knee in at one point, great for getting a rest, not so good for upward progress! Plenty of small nut placements, the main crack being just larger than my largest cam.

with Steve Wales
uncontrollable 27/Mar/11 AltLd O/S

Max P1, me p2 not much gear on pitch two which adds to the character. Nice route

with Max
Max Streeton 27/Mar/11 AltLd O/S
hfac 06/Mar/11 Lead O/S

Led top pitch after straying off route from Dive/Better things, worth it though :P

mikespooner 05/Mar/11 Lead O/S

Lead both pitches, absolutely awesome top pitch!! smaller gear is there if you want to hang round long enough to find it

with Keith Jackson
Lunar25 20/Feb/11 AltLd O/S

Pretty much soloed top pitch due to lack of bigger gear. Confident though. Nice bridging too!

with Titi
Matt Smith 20/Jan/11 AltLd O/S

Lead pitch 1 (though got a sling stuck). Bold lead by chris on pitch 2 as didn't have much big gear.

Hidden ??/2011 -
Rory Shaw ??/2011 -
Hidden ??/2011 -
adie84 ??/2011 -
ollieben ??/2011 -
Hidden ??/2011 -
Hidden ??/2011 -
PAJames ??/2011 -
PAJames ??/2011 -
bsmedz ??/2011 AltLd
with Peter Sargent
bsmedz ??/2011 -
MHutch ??/2011 -
alasdair19 ??/2011 -
Rob Evans ??/2011 Lead

1st pitch easy, no friends big enough for the crack so blind bits of gear all the way, oh what fun!!! Noahs Warning so much better

pasbury ??/2011 -
Hidden ??/2011 -
Ian Andrews ??/2011 AltLd O/S
with Martin Worthy
Hidden ??/2011 -
Hidden ??/2011 Lead O/S
Rob Laird 07/Nov/10 AltLd O/S
mr random 07/Nov/10 AltLd O/S
Hidden 11/Oct/10 AltLd O/S
tri-nitro-toulumne 11/Oct/10 Lead O/S


with Rich Guest
Darrell Read 09/Oct/10 2nd
31770 09/Oct/10 Lead O/S
Hidden ?/Oct/10 Lead
Hidden 26/Sep/10 Lead
gd303uk 25/Sep/10 2nd O/S
with John Rogers
Hidden 25/Sep/10 Lead rpt
Hidden 22/Sep/10 2nd
Hidden 22/Sep/10 2nd
GarethHall 18/Sep/10 AltLd O/S
garywong 18/Sep/10 AltLd O/S
davidwright 05/Sep/10 AltLd
with Simon B
Hidden 05/Sep/10 AltLd O/S
tompilgrem 01/Sep/10 2nd O/S
with Dad
bobpilgrem 01/Sep/10 Lead O/S

Take large friends to protect P2.I only had one and kept moving it up the crack as i climbed !

with Bob/Tom
Hidden 30/Aug/10 AltLd O/S
Hidden 28/Aug/10 AltLd
metal arms 16/Aug/10 AltLd O/S

Pitch 2

chris smith 05/Aug/10 AltLd O/S
Hidden 23/Jul/10 -
katiep 05/Jul/10 AltLd O/S

Led P2. First pitch was a bit wet!

Robin Head 05/Jul/10 AltLd O/S

I've lead the first pitch

with Katie
LoopyLou 03/Jul/10 AltLd

My first climb in N Wales for years, and at first at Cromlech. The only clue Alison gave about the second pitch was that it was "classic style". Thankfully not classic grit thuggery or thrutching, but steady thoughtful climbing, and very commuting if you don't have any big bits of gear on you or don't get into the crack to find some hidden holds at the back of the crack on the right. Very enjoyable.

with Alison Cairns
Hidden 30/Jun/10 AltLd O/S
Hidden 23/Jun/10 Lead O/S
Hidden 20/Jun/10 2nd O/S
Hidden 19/Jun/10 Lead O/S
Hidden 19/Jun/10 2nd
Hidden 17/Jun/10 Lead O/S
liamoloughlin 16/Jun/10 AltLd O/S

Very bold for vs! Take a friend 5! or several...

Tim Ducker 15/Jun/10 AltLd O/S
Trisha Murphy 15/Jun/10 AltLd O/S
with jess
Hidden 15/Jun/10 Lead O/S
Webster 15/Jun/10 AltLd O/S

led second pitch, most enjoyable lead to date at time of climbing.

Jess patel 15/Jun/10 AltLd
Richie Rich 12/Jun/10 Lead O/S

second pitch only after dives better things start

with Pete Colley
Andrew Lester 09/Jun/10 AltLd O/S
Dizz 06/Jun/10 Lead O/S

Led both pitches. It rained mid way so top pitch wet for added excitement.

with jt
Hidden 06/Jun/10 2nd rpt
Hidden 03/Jun/10 AltLd O/S
david morse 02/Jun/10 Lead rpt
with andy psyche
Andy Butler ?/Jun/10 Lead O/S
schof ?/Jun/10 2nd O/S
Hidden ?/Jun/10 -
mikeyg 28/May/10 Lead O/S

Both pitches, P2 is NOT 4b!

Trefo 25/May/10 Lead O/S

Awesome, little bit polished. Hardest VS I've ever done. exposed and airy, with spaced gear that can be hard to place.

with Tom Waller
andy dunn 23/May/10 AltLd O/S

excellent climbing - 1st pitch felt a little bold for VS in places. 2nd pitch had some nice bridging moves. 1st of the corners ticked.

with J
Sardien 22/May/10 AltLd O/S

LEad P1 and went off route - through the forest instead of over the wall. Pretty horrible and easy. P2 was discribed as a pleasant corner. It is indeed, but they might add committing and tricky to that

with Simon Moore
PaulHarris 22/May/10 AltLd
with John, Simon, Micheal
PaulHarris 22/May/10 AltLd
dan ely 20/May/10 AltLd O/S

lead p2. (lead p1 before) one to do twice but prob not 3 times

with rich
martinazando 17/May/10 AltLd O/S

The second pitch that I lead (the crack) felt harder than 4b!

with Ruth L
Hidden 15/May/10 AltLd
Hidden 15/May/10 AltLd O/S
mattcyp88 15/May/10 Lead O/S
with Rosie Wilson
Hidden 15/May/10 AltLd
whiting.jp 15/May/10 AltLd
Hidden 09/May/10 AltLd O/S
Noodles 03/May/10 Lead O/S

Take your extra large gear or man up on small wires. Worthwhile.

sthame 03/May/10 2nd O/S
Hidden 02/May/10 Lead O/S
Martin Stevens 01/May/10 Lead O/S

p2 only after getting behind a very slow pair on Spiral Stairs. Managed a huge runout, quite glad I didn't fall off!

with Mervyn L.
Graham Westbrook ?/May/10 AltLd
Hidden ?/May/10 Lead
Hidden ?/May/10 -
mrtom 24/Apr/10 Lead O/S

Wish I'd read this first. 2nd pitch definitely bold without big cams (which I didn't have). Solid climbing tho, and very enjoyable. First pitch a bit boring.

with Laurence Weil
Hidden 23/Apr/10 AltLd
Ken Applegate 19/Apr/10 AltLd O/S

Bit cold out the sun! Nice route though.

Hidden 18/Apr/10 AltLd O/S
HeatherF 16/Apr/10 2nd O/S
with Alex
The Green Giant 16/Apr/10 Lead O/S

lead both pitches.

with Heather
Hidden 15/Apr/10 Lead O/S
J1PEF 11/Apr/10 AltLd
stephen Rowley 10/Apr/10 AltLd dog
with Andy
Andy_B39 10/Apr/10 AltLd O/S

led 1st and 3rd(last) pitches

Hidden 10/Apr/10 AltLd
Tom Vivian 10/Apr/10 AltLd
Tommy Cole ?/Apr/10 2nd O/S
M_grif 07/Mar/10 2nd O/S
with Ollie Henson
ollieben 07/Mar/10 Lead O/S

awesome corner

with matt griffiths
theotherpetehill 07/Feb/10 AltLd O/S

Led P1

Hidden ?/Feb/10 AltLd O/S
dan ely ??/2010 AltLd O/S

lead p1. want to go lead p2

with terry
Hidden ??/2010 -
Hidden ??/2010 -
pie_eater_pete ??/2010 -
with ben smedley
Fenwick ??/2010 -
with Ben Westwood
DuckingFesperate ??/2010 Lead
Hidden ??/2010 -
mcgrathr ??/2010 -
soph ??/2010 -
Liam FLeming 17/Oct/09 Lead
with karen dalzell
green_bhind_da_ears 04/Oct/09 Lead O/S

Lead Second Pitch, having seconded curfew.

Martin Lilley 04/Oct/09 2nd O/S

Pitch 2 only after leading Curfew for pitch 1. Huge Chimney, art to climbing...

Sparky!!!3 27/Sep/09 AltLd
rd20 26/Sep/09 AltLd O/S

RD P1, Martin P2

with Martin
smolders 26/Sep/09 AltLd O/S

P2 a struggle but worth it

JulesV 26/Sep/09 Lead O/S
with Shauna Cunningham
Shauna 26/Sep/09 2nd O/S
with Jules
r_findlay 25/Sep/09 Lead
The_Boy_ODwyer 20/Sep/09 AltLd rpt

Lead P1 this time

with Rob
g1m147 20/Sep/09 Lead
with Steve
Abi Chard 18/Sep/09 Lead O/S
with Ian
ian caton 18/Sep/09 2nd β
with Abi
Hidden 16/Sep/09 AltLd O/S
Hidden 13/Sep/09 AltLd O/S
Hidden 13/Sep/09 AltLd O/S
Tomprusk 12/Sep/09 AltLd O/S
with Nick
blueroly 09/Sep/09 Lead rpt
with Oleg Makarov
Hidden ?/Sep/09 AltLd
Hidden 16/Aug/09 AltLd O/S
blueroly 14/Aug/09 2nd O/S
with Oleg Makarov
sgl0jd 06/Aug/09 AltLd

The top pitch is brilliant

with Luke
Hidden 05/Aug/09 2nd
climbing_wiggy 02/Aug/09 2nd O/S

2nd pitch only as we started up Dives/better things

with Paul Cox
jelaby 04/Jul/09 AltLd O/S
with Dave Ross, Thom Allen
beci tointen ?/Jul/09 Lead O/S
with my uncle carl
Owen W-G 13/Jun/09 AltLd O/S

Led top pitch. Tricky to protect but good right thigh jams. Never 4b and not easy at VS.

with Tony Seale
Hidden 10/Jun/09 Lead O/S
mattyork2 05/Jun/09 2nd O/S

First pitch only into Foil

with Johnny Richard
victim of mathematics 31/May/09 Lead O/S


ksjs 30/May/09 AltLd rpt

P2 led. ive now done this several times and there is no way on this earth that the top pitch (4b) is easier than the bottom pitch (4c). plus, it really is quite hard to confidently protect unless you have very large friends. much of the gear (wires in a crack on the right wall) is placed blind. anyway, still a cracking pitch if a touch windy today.

Hidden 30/May/09 AltLd
John Roe 30/May/09 AltLd

Led 2nd pitch

with Rob Patchett
Hidden 30/May/09 AltLd
Hidden 13/May/09 Lead
Hidden 02/May/09 2nd O/S
Hidden ?/May/09 AltLd
Hidden ?/May/09 AltLd
Glyn Davidson 20/Apr/09 AltLd O/S

Mike lead pitch 1, I lead pitch 2. Second pitch seemed very tricky for VS 4b.

bigbobbyking 19/Apr/09 AltLd O/S

I led first pitch, Chris second. Second pitch pretty steep and a bit bold. Polished small holds.

with Chris Allan
chrisallan 19/Apr/09 AltLd O/S
richardhopton 05/Apr/09 AltLd O/S
simonp ?/Apr/09 Lead O/S
with Nicki Hearne
Hidden 20/Mar/09 Lead dnf
Hidden 15/Mar/09 AltLd
Hidden 15/Mar/09 AltLd
Hidden ??/2009 -
Kenemo ??/2009 -
SMc ??/2009 Lead O/S
with Anne
Seymore Butt ??/2009 -
Rich35 ??/2009 Lead
jonka ??/2009 -
Gibson27 ??/2009 AltLd O/S
Wayne S ??/2009 -
dycotiles 02/Nov/08 AltLd O/S

Led second pitch

with Emmanuel
EmmanuelF 02/Nov/08 Lead

1st pitch

with Mario
Mark Walter 12/Oct/08 AltLd O/S
with Jon Bleiker
ducle 27/Sep/08 AltLd dog

Tried to lead 1st pitch of Curfew ("Sabre Cut Direct") but dnf. Partner led this, then I went up the corner.

Hidden 24/Sep/08 2nd O/S
Hidden 23/Sep/08 Lead O/S
jcurley 23/Sep/08 AltLd O/S
sara n 23/Sep/08 AltLd O/S

Led pitch 2 - take a size 5 cam (or three of them!) next time!!!

with CS
Glyn 21/Sep/08 AltLd O/S
with Jade
jade Edwards Leaney 21/Sep/08 AltLd
with glyn
barni 14/Sep/08 Lead
with Jack
Matt Tranter 12/Sep/08 Lead O/S
with Ryan Hanvey
jam tart 23/Aug/08 AltLd

led 2nd (4b) pitch

Peter Reynolds ?/Aug/08 AltLd O/S
RCrockford 27/Jul/08 Lead O/S

Very nice second pitch - half my gear bailed out down the rope in the upper section though (oops!)

with Gail
Simon Holden (LCandCC) 27/Jul/08 AltLd O/S
with Matt Grodon
Ewan Russell 23/Jul/08 Lead O/S
with Celyn
dan gibson 22/Jul/08 Lead rpt
with sam read
cliffy 13/Jul/08 AltLd

Started this thinking it was Dives/ Better Things, same as 2 years ago but managed to complete the route this time.

with Pilar Martinez, Oli Dorrell
Hidden 07/Jul/08 Lead O/S
Hidden 24/Jun/08 AltLd O/S
Danos 14/Jun/08 Lead O/S

P1 only, then onto Foil

with Ben
HIGHTOWER 14/Jun/08 Lead O/S

Great climb. Possibly the best VS I can remember doing. Hard to protect 2nd pitch as I didn't have any friends big enough for the main crack.

hazatgym 13/Jun/08 2nd
with Joe Herbert
hazatgym 13/Jun/08 2nd
with Joe Herbert
Guy Wilson 08/Jun/08 Lead O/S
with Paulo
markfairbank 08/Jun/08 Lead O/S

First pitch was easier than the second with difficulties short lived on the steep crack - 2nd pitch was more sustained and hard to protect. Used 2 friends that I moved up the crack with me - a friend 4 which was too small for most parts and my camalot 4 which was right at the top of its range!

with Mick D
Ed Babs 07/Jun/08 Lead O/S
with John Vet
irish paul 02/Jun/08 AltLd O/S
with Sarah Joyce
ritchierich 13/May/08 AltLd rpt
Hidden 13/May/08 AltLd O/S
Hidden 11/May/08 AltLd
alexharv3y 06/May/08 Lead O/S
psychicbread 06/May/08 AltLd O/S

Lead the first pitch

with Ben
davidwright 05/May/08 2nd rpt
AntWallace ?/May/08 Lead O/S
with Chris and Andy
zchael6 ?/May/08 Lead
jon clayton ?/May/08 Lead
with cherry
adam06 16/Apr/08 AltLd

lol, did this thinking it was dives/better things... thought it was solid for a HS! and i dont have any small cams never mind big ones

stefan7n 16/Apr/08 AltLd O/S


Jim Slater 05/Apr/08 Lead O/S

Led both pitches

EeFu 05/Apr/08 2nd
johniebriggs ?/Apr/08 AltLd

First VS lead

Theeni 09/Feb/08 2nd O/S


nathan_kelly 14/Jan/08 2nd

Amazing climb.

with hightower
Matt Vigg ??/2008 -
Al Evans ??/2008 -
lee richards ??/2008 Lead O/S

fantastic second pitch definately the harder of the to. very hard to place wires had no big cams.

with robbo84
Will1 ??/2008 -
kingholmesy ??/2008 Lead O/S

First pitch only on the way to Foil.

with Sarah
Hidden ??/2008 AltLd
Stone Muppet ??/2008 -
peter myers ??/2008 AltLd O/S
with Simon Bennet
Marcus ??/2008 -
Rob Greenwood - UKClimbing ??/2008 Lead O/S
with Claire Tetley
Mark D 20/Oct/07 AltLd O/S
with Sazzle
@ndyM@rsh@ll 20/Oct/07 AltLd O/S
Hidden 20/Oct/07 Lead
sazzle86 13/Oct/07 AltLd O/S

Lead 2nd pitch.

Hidden 10/Oct/07 AltLd
drewish ?/Oct/07 Lead O/S
with Peter Hooker
Hidden ?/Oct/07 Lead O/S
Hidden 18/Sep/07 AltLd O/S
Carly 18/Sep/07 AltLd O/S
with sophie
Hjort 09/Sep/07 AltLd O/S
jambomotamops 09/Sep/07 AltLd O/S
The Bad Cough 08/Sep/07 AltLd O/S
Dale ?/Sep/07 AltLd O/S
with johny
adamscottthomas 28/Aug/07 Lead O/S

Good route. I led both pitches, meeting with rather too much gorse bush on the first and then an alarming run out on the second. Quite exciting.

with Ellen Taylor and Mike Kean
ellentaylor 28/Aug/07 2nd O/S

Steep first section with foliage near top. 2nd pitch crack felt harder than 4b. No need to get into the crack.

intersection996 27/Aug/07 AltLd
with Tim
PanzerHanzler 26/Aug/07 AltLd O/S

Led 1st pitch

with Guy
Hidden 24/Aug/07 AltLd O/S
John HW 04/Aug/07 AltLd O/S
with Cath
Hidden ?/Aug/07 -
mje1398 10/Jun/07 AltLd
with John M
Barry D 09/Jun/07 AltLd
with Chris M
Hidden 09/Jun/07 Lead
nigel pearson 26/May/07 AltLd O/S

Great climb. I led the second pitch. Quite hard second pitch due to sparse protection and at times having to place wires blind.

with Robin
The_Boy_ODwyer 26/May/07 AltLd

Wow, scary corner... Succeeded in not having any protection up the entire corner, was quite relieved to finish (and had to have a little sit down) Excellent fun :-)

with Tom C
Paddy_The_Fascist 29/Apr/07 AltLd O/S

I did 2nd pitch, Andy did 1st.

with Andy Morris
Xav 28/Apr/07 AltLd O/S
with Chris Phillips
Toby Dunn 26/Apr/07 2nd
with Ruth
Hidden 26/Apr/07 Lead O/S
Hidden 18/Apr/07 AltLd O/S
Hidden 17/Apr/07 2nd
dave o 16/Apr/07 AltLd O/S
with Julia H
Mattyk 08/Apr/07 AltLd O/S

Too many people on the belay ledge, about 3 routes converge.. totally contrasting pitches. i got no 2 which is a fun but straight forward crack

MikeLeeds 08/Apr/07 AltLd
with John Forrester
chris sm 06/Apr/07 AltLd O/S
with Pippa Froggatt
AngelaC 02/Apr/07 AltLd
NickST ?/Apr/07 AltLd O/S
with Greg Grace
MikeDowsett ?/Mar/07 Lead

2nd pitch after 1st pitch of Dives

with Geoff Williams
Hidden 06/Feb/07 Lead O/S
Hidden 06/Feb/07 AltLd O/S
Hidden ??/2007 Lead
jepotherepo ??/2007 Lead

windy in the pass today. Led second pitch. straightforward.

with rob
timmy-ts ??/2007 -
Hidden ??/2007 AltLd
Hidden ??/2007 Lead
tom.e 04/Nov/06 AltLd O/S
with Pete
mark4344 29/Oct/06 Lead
with Matt Payne
Dan 85 15/Oct/06 Lead O/S

Felt like HVS, protected with wires in the corner crack, which I couldn't see.

with Pender
PenCox 15/Oct/06 2nd O/S
with Dan
My Gravity 15/Sep/06 AltLd O/S

Bit boring - but perhaps this is because I could protect it well with cams...

with Patrick H
Hidden ?/Sep/06 Lead O/S
Hidden 20/Aug/06 Lead
Nicos 05/Aug/06 Lead O/S
kp64zl ?/Aug/06 AltLd
with Philip S
kjbix 06/Jul/06 AltLd
with Richard Beech
Hidden 13/Jun/06 Lead O/S
Hidden 11/Jun/06 2nd O/S
crossdressingrodney 30/May/06 AltLd O/S
with sophie whyte
Hidden 30/Apr/06 2nd
Brown 15/Apr/06 AltLd O/S
with Ralph
Hidden ?/Apr/06 Lead O/S
davidgent ?/Jan/06 Lead O/S

Wet and very slippy. Not the conditions for VS.

with Uha
mattyork2 ?/Jan/06 Lead O/S
with ben
dan gibson ??/2006 -
jim robertson ??/2006 -
Hidden ??/2006 -
Jon_Warner ??/2006 2nd O/S
Bry ??/2006 AltLd
Hidden ??/2006 -
mikelaing ??/2006 -
arin78 ??/2006 2nd
with Mark
Hidden ??/2006 AltLd O/S
spoony84 ??/2006 AltLd O/S

with john sellers

alpinismo.uk ??/2006 AltLd
Hidden 19/Nov/05 AltLd O/S
alaan ?/Nov/05 Lead O/S
with Chris
Hidden 16/Oct/05 Lead O/S
david morse ?/Oct/05 2nd
with chris todd
Hidden 24/Sep/05 AltLd O/S
Ben Griffiths ?/Sep/05 2nd β
Adam Booth 22/Aug/05 AltLd O/S
Ed Booth 22/Aug/05 AltLd
Hidden 18/Aug/05 AltLd O/S
GScot38 09/Aug/05 Lead O/S

One of the hardest VS 4c's I've ever done! Been told aafterwards that it's eaasier wiith one boot and one sticky lol.

maybe_si ?/Aug/05 Lead O/S
My Gravity 02/Jul/05 AltLd O/S
with Rick
Tom Last ?/Jul/05 AltLd
with Clive
Chesh 27/Jun/05 Lead
with Lawrence
Derek Ryden 18/Jun/05 AltLd O/S
with Matt Gordon
mikeyjbs 09/Jun/05 AltLd O/S
Gman ?/May/05 AltLd O/S
with Steve
Si dH 02/Apr/05 AltLd O/S

Awesome route, great line, great climbing, but pretty scar yfor VS! Second pitch is definitely the crux despite what the PW guide says...

with Alison Ingleby
kato'sdad 30/Mar/05 AltLd
RobSimmo 30/Mar/05 AltLd O/S
Shaw Brown ??/2005 AltLd O/S

Can get busy on the belay shared with spiral stairs

with David Jones
centurion05 ??/2005 Lead O/S
with andy haigh
a_radiohead_fan ??/2005 -
Christian Beck ??/2005 AltLd O/S
Rob84 ?/Oct/04 Lead dog
with Alex
A Crook 19/Aug/04 AltLd O/S
Haglington ?/Aug/04 Lead O/S
with Crystal Compton
joe c ook ?/Jul/04 Lead O/S
Hidden ?/Jul/04 AltLd
IanD353 ?/Jun/04 Lead O/S
with Ailsa
SteveM 15/May/04 AltLd
with Roger
Hidden 13/May/04 AltLd
Hidden 02/May/04 AltLd O/S
Bella 01/May/04 Lead O/S
with Andreas
Richard Horn ?/May/04 AltLd O/S
Rob84 ??/2004 Lead β
with Alex Triffin
Samuel P 26/Aug/03 2nd
with Ric the Guide, Gareth
samwelli 19/Jul/03 AltLd O/S
with Steve Hobbs
jimshrimp 23/Jun/03 Lead

Ended up on the second pitch of Sabre Cut, after a navigational error looking for Better Things.

James B 21/Jun/03 -
with Phil
BIgYeti86 ?/Jun/03 Lead
Chris the Tall ?/May/03 AltLd

Ian led first pitch, I led second. Both felt like 4c

with Ian Fones
DavidR 05/Apr/03 AltLd O/S
with John Marston
hangon 05/Apr/03 Lead O/S
with Sandy
Urgles ?/Apr/03 AltLd O/S
with Mick B
keith leonard ??/2003 -
Hidden ??/2003 AltLd
Hidden ??/2003 AltLd O/S
Hidden 29/Sep/02 AltLd O/S
Hidden 26/Sep/02 2nd O/S
Hidden 11/Sep/02 Lead
PenJD 21/Jul/02 Lead O/S
with Jon Ascroft
Different Steve ?/Jun/02 Lead rpt
with Cathy Tye
Hidden ??/2002 Lead O/S
Hidden ??/2002 AltLd O/S
John Roe 10/Aug/01 AltLd
with Tim Sugars
Hidden 30/Jun/01 Lead O/S
Hidden 30/Jun/01 Lead
Hidden ??/2001 AltLd O/S
Hidden ??/2001 Lead
Hidden ??/2001 Lead O/S
MoWalker3 01/Jan/00 AltLd
Paul Boardman ??/2000 AltLd O/S
with Iain Boardman
Hidden ??/2000 -
pigeonjim ??/2000 Lead O/S
Ed Booth ??/2000 Lead O/S
marcoleptic ??/2000 Lead
with Stuey
VPJB ??/2000 -
Duncan I ?/Jul/99 AltLd
with Si Coles
gonggashan ?/Jun/99 -
with James
Dave Musgrove Jnr 01/May/99 AltLd
with Sam Dew
Andrew Barker ??/1999 Lead

2nd pitch lead on PyB course, 1st lead in 2004.

belay bunny turned bad ??/1999 Lead
Hammy 22/Sep/98 AltLd
with Nick Banks
Paul-Michael 19/Sep/98 AltLd O/S

Lead 1st pitch.

with David Jupp
Hidden ?/Sep/98 Lead
Hidden ?/Jul/98 Lead
Hidden ??/1998 -
Ched ??/1998 Lead O/S
with Glanfor
WB ??/1998 Lead O/S
John Pickles 19/May/97 AltLd O/S
smudge 21/Sep/96 Lead O/S
with Alex
Russell Lovett 29/Jul/96 Lead O/S
with andrew haigh
buxtoncoffeelover 07/Jul/96 2nd
Hidden 16/Jun/96 Lead O/S
five ?/Jun/96 AltLd O/S
with TW
Hidden ?/May/96 AltLd
Tim Bateman 10/Mar/96 AltLd
with Rob Smith
Julian Wedd ??/1996 Lead
with I. Raynor
NeilGriffiths ??/1996 Lead
Rog Wilko ?/Aug/95 AltLd

Finished up Better Things.

with Debbie Wilkinson
Hidden 19/Jul/95 Lead
BenTiffin ?/Jan/95 2nd
with Andy Bissell
Hidden ??/1995 AltLd O/S
Hidden ??/1995 -
switch ??/1995 AltLd O/S
Tom Vivian 15/Aug/94 Lead
James Moyle ?/Aug/94 2nd O/S
jamiev 30/Jun/94 Solo O/S
with ruth snape
colin milton 16/Jun/94 AltLd
with eric milton
Hidden ??/1994 AltLd
nai 02/Sep/93 2nd
with Roger Devy
Chris Ellis 18/Aug/93 2nd
with Alice Henderson
IanGilbertJones 01/Aug/93 2nd O/S
John Andrew Simpson ?/Aug/93 2nd O/S
with Ian Roberts
Marti999 ??/1993 Lead
Pete_Frost ??/1993 AltLd O/S
Just Another Dave ??/1993 Lead O/S

My first VS!

with Jo Bertalot
ellie macpherson ?/Jun/92 AltLd

Top pitch is superb

with Lawrence Jarvis
FATBOYFAT ??/1992 -
Hidden ?/Sep/91 AltLd
Iain Thow 14/Aug/91 AltLd

Led pitch 2, gear? What gear?

with Rob Ivens
Hidden 02/May/91 Lead
Hidden ?/Apr/91 Lead
DubyaJamesDubya ??/1991 Lead O/S
with Roger Howarth
Hidden 28/Jun/90 2nd
whispering nic ?/Apr/90 -
with Sammy PYB
Hidden 17/Mar/90 Lead
Hidden ??/1990 Lead O/S
Hidden ??/1990 Lead
Tom V ??/1990 -
Hidden ??/1990 -
andy gittins ??/1990 -
Steve Lenartowicz ??/1990 -
Hidden ??/1990 -
Hidden ??/1990 AltLd
Hidden ??/1990 Lead O/S
OMSKB ?/Aug/89 Lead

scary no gear placed in the whole of the second pitch.

with John Roberts
Phil Ingle ?/Aug/89 Lead

I lead dad up this route

babymoac 29/Jul/89 AltLd
with Rob A & Mark
phardman 10/Jun/89 Lead O/S
Paula Hamilton-Gibson ??/1989 -
with Jean Williamson, Bill Williamson
PaulHermes ??/1989 -
rob.grafton ??/1989 -
with Bruce Perry, barry maybank
Hidden 29/Oct/88 AltLd
Hidden ?/Oct/88 -
Hidden 07/May/88 AltLd O/S
Paul Figg ?/Mar/88 Lead
robyn1 ??/1988 -
AndyB123 ?/Aug/87 Lead dnf
Hidden 05/Jul/87 Lead
hazeysunshine 25/May/87 Lead
with Jane
Hidden ?/May/87 AltLd O/S
BigHairyIan 31/Mar/87 2nd O/S
GuySummers 31/Mar/87 Lead
John Brayshaw ??/1987 2nd rpt
with Andy Farley
davemhart 18/Aug/86 Lead O/S
Backinthegame ?/Aug/86 Lead O/S
with Stephen hughes, Gary Hughes
Gary Coggon ?/Jun/86 Lead O/S
with Pete Leeming
michael burrows 04/Apr/86 AltLd O/S

led 1st pitch

with ian nettleton
Steve Crowe 15/Sep/85 Lead O/S
John HW ?/Aug/85 Lead
Steve Bell ??/1985 -
Ian Clare ??/1985 -
JamieAyres ?/Aug/84 Lead O/S

found it easy

with Gareth Williams
wynaptomos ?/Jun/84 Lead O/S
Ian Jones ?/Jul/83 Lead O/S
with Geraldine Taylor
Hidden ??/1983 -
Hidden ??/1983 -
Hidden ?/Sep/82 Solo rpt
Nic Robinson ??/1982 -
Robmwatt ??/1982 Lead
John Brayshaw 01/Jul/81 2nd O/S
with Plas-y-Brenin
AlanLittle ??/1981 Lead
Nigel Coe 05/May/80 -
with Steve Portnoi
GordonHart ??/1980 Lead
robinsi197 ??/1980 -
with Barbara
Chris Craggs ??/1980 -
Hidden ??/1980 Lead
Hidden ??/1980 Lead
Norman_P_W ??/1980 -
mikej 22/May/79 Lead
with Tony Waite
rogerskews ??/1979 AltLd
with Martin Coward
Hidden ?/Oct/78 Lead O/S
Hidden ?/Sep/78 Lead
Hammy 27/May/78 AltLd
with Jonathon Stacey
Hidden ?/Apr/78 Lead
Hidden ??/1978 Lead
telemark ??/1978 AltLd
with Jim Sutherland
Brian Wilderspin ?/Oct/77 AltLd
with Sean Curtis
jmr 14/Jul/77 AltLd
with Nigel (from Horsham)
Mike Owen 04/Jul/77 -


Falko 26/Jun/77 AltLd O/S

In the rain, in Super RDs and with big sacs. Part of a 'round trip' started because of poor morning weather in the Pass. Ended up doing Dolerite Dump, Slow Ledge, Reade's Route, Snowdon summit, Spiral Stairs, Dives, and Sabre Cut.

with Al W.
Nigel Bond 05/Mar/77 Lead
with Tony Cuddy, Dave
steve L ??/1977 -
Hidden ?/Jul/76 AltLd
Mark Kemball 19/Oct/75 Lead
with Paul Clark
Bolt Phobia 18/May/75 AltLd
with John Broadwell
Sean Kelly ??/1974 Lead

Had to talk a very nervous second up the 2nd pitch step by step, one move at a time. Her first time climbing!

with Gavin Anderson
Andy Say ??/1973 Lead
rockofades 22/Aug/70 Lead O/S
with LB
greenbuoy 11/Aug/70 2nd
with Terry Taylor
granitbahn ??/1970 Lead
tapley 29/Sep/69 AltLd
with Dave Hearnshaw
Sean Kelly ??/1969 AltLd
with Dick Curtis & Paul Chapman
Dave Musgrove 15/Sep/68 AltLd
with Bob Knapton
Gordon Stainforth 12/Aug/68 AltLd
with John Stainforth
Hidden 16/Sep/67 Lead
Hidden 16/Jul/66 AltLd
mikej 19/Jun/66 AltLd
with Mike Byles
kjacks ??/1965 2nd
with Dave Peers
uphillnow ??/1962 Lead

Used engineering nuts on line as protection - I think for the first time. Previously had used spliced slings which could be threaded or placed over spikes.

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