Engineer's Slabs*** VS 4c
[Engineer's Slabs, 2 kb]60m, 2 pitches. No description has been contributed for this climb.

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This climb is in 158 logbooks, and on 94 wishlists.

Roger Cruse - AltLd O/S - 21/Sep/14 with Kris

Finished up the crack to the left of the top groove.
Liam Ingram - AltLd O/S - 24/Jul/14 with Clemmie Mitchell

Intended to move together but teams ahead. lead P1 to sentry box. [peg no longer here - snapped the eye completely off as it has gone through on one side, good nuts/cams so not required] Nick did P2 with the true finish up the groove which we thought was the crux of the route. Certainly seemed like cheating to avoid it!
JamieSparkes - AltLd O/S - 24/Jul/14 with Nick Bryan

Pitch 2
ollyroberts - AltLd O/S - 24/Jul/14 with Piers Newton

I lead pitch one and seconded pitch two.
ClemmieMitchell - AltLd O/S - 24/Jul/14

Hidden - 2nd - 23/Jul/14

Steven Carter - AltLd O/S - 11/Jul/14 with Trythallj

ColdAndWet - AltLd - 29/Jun/14 with Simon Rogers

Beware of loose blocks on first pitch, belayed after the traverse on pitch two on more dodgy blocks. Top pitch great although the corner is dirty and damp.
jon59 - 22/Jun/14

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 20/Jun/14

The grove is dry.
Pohil - Lead O/S - 16/Jun/14 with SP

Top groove was wet and slimy so did the rib finish which was excellent. Very strong southerly wind so it was great to be on a north face!
Graham Westbrook - AltLd O/S - 18/May/14

IanGilbertJones - 2014

mike mo - 2014

nickcj - 2014

Calder - 2nd - 08/Aug/13 with Mike B

Ed Luke lead both pitches while Silvia Murrel and myself seconded/ cleaned up remaining gear
David Woods - 2nd - Aug/13 with Silvia Murrel, Ed Luke

Classic route. Maybe the best I've done in the Lakes. Led pitch 1. Finished up the V-groove on pitch 2, which was bone dry. Good variation of bridging and back-and-footing up the groove.
Big Lee - AltLd O/S - 21/Jul/13 with Steve Gould

Felt a bit tricky for VS and a little dirty still - surprised at this given the weather. The leader a couple of parties after us took a factor 2 fall onto the (bottom) belay as a hold ripped out - fortunately he was ok, but take care!
maria85 - AltLd O/S - 21/Jul/13 with Jules

mark20 - AltLd O/S - 20/Jul/13

Jake Young - AltLd O/S - 20/Jul/13 with Mark R

amazing route with serious exposure
Wesley Orvis - 2nd - 20/Jul/13

Groove finish - best described as "traditional 4c". Must be sopping wet most of the time. Inept winter ascentionists have massacred the rock in many places, alas.
Peter Metcalfe - Lead - 17/Jul/13 with Cath Sullivan

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 16/Jul/13

Hidden - Lead - 14/Jul/13

Matt Reed - AltLd - 13/Jul/13 with Peter Stridgeon

2nd pitch only, nice clean climbing.
Alex Thompson - Lead O/S - 13/Jul/13 with Matt Marsh

Matt Marsh - 2nd - 13/Jul/13 with Alex Thompson

pete40 - AltLd - 13/Jul/13

55pete55 - 2nd - 12/Jul/13

martrin - AltLd - 10/Jul/13 with Sarah Kekus

Mark Kemball - Lead - 08/Jul/13 with Bill Kemball

Great route, top groove was abit damp hence good value.
markfairbank - Lead O/S - 07/Jul/13 with Anne Gumbley

Anne Gumbley - 2nd - 07/Jul/13 with Mark Fairbank

Hidden - AltLd - Jul/13

Hidden - AltLd - Jul/13

Dave Rumney - Jul/13 with Tanya Milner

P2 - didn't do the groove as it was dry but filthy with moss an the arete was in the sun. Walked up late t get the sunshine
lithos - 08/Jun/13 with cookie

lead p2 including top groove which was mostly dry.
colin milton - AltLd - 06/Jun/13 with shaun l

top chimney probably best described as old school 4c
johang - Lead O/S - 02/Jun/13 with catherine kenyan

Memorable!
john lynch - AltLd O/S - 02/Jun/13 with Joe Holden

MDowson - AltLd O/S - 26/May/13 with Karl wood

Hidden - 2013

Andy Chadwick - 2013

andybirtwistle - 2013

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 11/Aug/12

Fantastic route. I can't believe people miss out the top groove - it's THE feature of the route IMO. I'd also recommend belaying after the short traverse as the belay in the sentry box is uncomfortable and the gear isn't great.
GPN - Lead - 11/Aug/12 with Annette

Great route!
net - 2nd - 11/Aug/12 with George

moose ridd - AltLd - 11/Aug/12 with M.Sadler

Jack Loftus - AltLd - 20/Jun/12 with Nick

Hidden - AltLd - 26/May/12

Ian Hinkins - AltLd - 28/Mar/12 with Steve Shaw

Nery nice, blue sky, no wind & dry. Did arete finish.
Stephen Shaw - AltLd O/S - 28/Mar/12 with Ian

Ian JL - 2012

Hidden - 2012

Stewart Armstrong - 2012

Stewart Armstrong - 2012

JonG - 2012

JonG - 2012

JonG - 2012

Stone Idol - 2012

Stone Idol - 2012

Hidden - 2012

led second pitch
Tom Phillips - AltLd O/S - 24/Jul/11 with martyn

Finished left up the arete, exposure all the way. Great route.
Lee Sheard - AltLd O/S - 13/Jul/11 with Steve hancock

Glorious day and views both walk in and on top. It is a cold crag but the climb had plenty of atmosphere.
Hanky - AltLd O/S - 13/Jul/11 with Lee

Pitch 1
oliverk - AltLd - 02/Jul/11 with Serge

Climbed pitch 2, went out onto flake and climb straight up. Forget about chimney section, the flake is excellent!
sergio46 - Lead O/S - 02/Jul/11 with Ollie

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 02/Jul/11

Hidden - AltLd - 02/Jul/11

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 04/Jun/11

joe_lancs - AltLd - 04/Jun/11

Enjoyable climbing in a great location but not that great a route considering its in Hard Rock. The groove was wet and slimy so I finished up the crack and arete which had the most interesting climbing on the route.
Chris wilson - AltLd O/S - 04/Jun/11 with Ed, Ross

Matthew Robinson - 04/Jun/11 with Joe F

led firt pitch
RossT - AltLd - 04/Jun/11 with Chris, Andrew Edwards

chris smith - Lead O/S - 03/Jun/11

Led first pitch which was great. Martyn had an epic on the top pitch as his first lead in 12 months. He had to dump a half rope as it got tangled, gear ran out and he climbed the grim groove instead of the dry arete. great fun!
disturbed_one51 - AltLd - 22/Apr/11 with Martyn Grayson

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 18/Apr/11

Hidden - 2011

Hidden - 2011

David Smith - 2011

Emma Cairns - 2nd - 2011

Glenn Sutcliffe - 2011

rurp - Lead O/S - 2011

pasbury - 2011

Hidden - 2011

In the mist (I could barely see Dave when he reached the top of p1) & rain. Led p2
cem - AltLd O/S - 24/Jul/10 with Dave Amos

tim newton - AltLd O/S - 03/Jul/10 with chris gooder

petegunn - AltLd - 27/Jun/10 with Davina

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 27/Jun/10

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 26/Jun/10

Hidden - AltLd - 20/Jun/10

Hidden - Lead O/S - 12/Jun/10

Hidden - AltLd - 31/May/10

Lead the first pitch.
rockrat - AltLd O/S - 24/May/10 with Tristan Semple

Hidden - 2010

westaway - AltLd O/S - 17/Sep/09 with Imelda Neale

Hidden - AltLd - 17/Sep/09

Pete did very well leading the very bold start to pitch 1. I could see no reason for grovelling up the groove at the top of pitch 2 when there was a superb crack and pillar up which to finish. Apologies to FRCC. Although weather was very good (over 105F on Centre Court!) it was so cold here that my fingers were all dead by the time Pete had reached the mid height belay! An inspiring route.
Rog Wilko - AltLd - 25/Jun/09 with Pete Nugent

Led 1st pitch. 2nd pitch horrific!
Becky E - AltLd O/S - 02/Jun/09 with Phil Lee

Led 2nd pitch
andy mcc - AltLd O/S - 31/May/09 with Jason King

nakedave - 2009

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 13/Jun/08

cheeky - AltLd O/S - 08/Jun/08 with Mark Philipson

Fantastic route. Solid VS climbing, great pro and an imposing mountain feel to the route. Top pitch still green after several dry days. Made a full day out with Tophet wall and napes ridge.
mark4344 - AltLd O/S - 08/Jun/08 with Matt Payne

Hidden - AltLd - 24/May/08

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 24/May/08

tomhull - May/08 with adam noble

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 08/Sep/07

Hidden - AltLd O/S - Sep/07

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 31/Jul/07

Rich Mayfield - AltLd - 31/Jul/07 with Mark Stevenson

steveP - AltLd O/S - 05/May/07 with Paul Rowlands

joe king - AltLd - 04/May/07 with steve petit

andyandy - Lead - 29/Apr/07 with Kin

Tremendous route for a VS. Even standing at the bottom of the route, it felt eerie and formidable. Good dose of expose at the top pitch. Excellent line. I wouldn't say it's a slab.
Skinny Kin - AltLd O/S - 28/Apr/07 with Andrew Coverdale

Johann - AltLd O/S - 2007 with Jeni Robinson

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 28/Jul/06

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 07/Jun/06

Bob - 2006

Hidden - 2006

malc - AltLd O/S - 09/Sep/03 with CL

Shaw Brown - AltLd - 06/Aug/03 with simon blythe

Very saddened by all the crampon damage :(
Nigel Coe - AltLd - 06/Aug/03 with Andy March

Lead both pitches - excellent route.
PenJD - Lead O/S - 12/Jul/03 with Jenny Edwards

Hidden - 2nd - Jun/03

Hidden - Lead - 15/Apr/03

Lakesben - Lead - 2002

Jim Walton - AltLd O/S - 2001

Really good rock.
Ian Jones - Lead O/S - 2000 with Karen Ghiselli

Dave Musgrove - AltLd O/S - Aug/98 with Julian Cooper

phardman - 20/Jul/97

Hidden - Lead - 18/Aug/96

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 16/Jul/96

Hidden - AltLd - May/96

Tim Bateman - AltLd - 05/Aug/95

steve prior - AltLd - Aug/95 with Andy C

Steve Lenartowicz - 1995

Hidden - Lead - 1995

andybirtwistle - 28/Jun/92 with Sue Fells

Hidden - May/90

This was at the tail end of my "first" climbing career. Didn't record the date or anything!
BigHairyIan - AltLd O/S - 1990 with Mike Gibbison (Hairy)

Hidden - Lead - 21/May/89

mikej - AltLd - 13/Sep/86 with Mike Byles

William Robertson - Lead O/S - 1986 with Emily, Steve, Shaun etc

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 31/Jul/83

Hammy - AltLd - 08/Jun/82 with Tim Hulley

Superb. Did the arete finish because the groove was heavily verglassed.
AlanLittle - AltLd - Apr/82 with Steve Snow, John Walters

tapley - Lead - 31/Aug/81 with Dave Kent

robinsi197 - AltLd - 1980 with Barbara

Chris Craggs - 1980

Chris Craggs - 1980

Nigel Bond - Lead - 29/May/78 with Tony Cuddy

Paul Clarke - AltLd - 1978 with FMC

Ken Taylor - Lead - 16/Jun/76 with Hugh de Jongh

Marcus - 1976

Hidden - AltLd - 01/Jun/75

Tony Holdsworth - 01/Jan/70

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