The Eternal Optimist** E2 5b
2 pitches.

Rockfax Description
Good steep climbing with an enigmatic crux. Start below a crack, close to the left-hand end of the crag, just right of Bezel's groove.
1) 5b, 35m. A steep start gains the crack/groove, climb this to the roof using some pockets near the arete. A hard move through the roof leads up to a reasonable ledge.
2) 4c, 12m. The large wide crack on the left is slightly loose and blocky, but it does lead to the top. Alternatively, abseil off a spike to avoid this pitch. © ROCKFAX

UKC Logbook Description
The obvious crack/corner line just right of Bezel, steep but with big holds on the left hand wall. Good route

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This climb is in 108 logbooks, and on 2 wishlists.

Bold and serious. I would guess that it feels like E2 if you generally climb E4. I would say E3, hard 5b
Tenntenntuihn - Lead O/S - 27/Sep/15 with Cat Higgs

Rested on the rope a couple of times but brilliant route. Lowered off.
Cat Higgs - 2nd - 27/Sep/15 with David Greenald

Bit run out in middle but may have been gear? Roof a bit tricky
mynyddresident - AltLd O/S - 15/Aug/15 with Tony P

Hidden - 2nd rpt - 06/Aug/15

pete johnson - Lead rpt - 06/Aug/15 with mike pycroft

Chris_barr - Lead O/S - 06/Aug/15 with Dave Searle

willoates - Lead O/S - Aug/15 with Luke

Hidden - Lead O/S - 28/Jun/15

Dizz - 2nd - 27/Jun/15 with EJ

robpartridge - 2nd - 04/May/15 with John Burrow

Ian craigie - Lead - 2015 with Rayer, Ross creber

irish paul - Lead O/S - 23/Aug/14 with Sarah Black

Hidden - Lead - 14/Aug/14

We then had a foray on a smeggy mammoth direct.
Rich Kirby - 2nd rpt - 30/Jul/14 with Nick Bullock

Tom Livingstone - AltLd O/S - 06/Jul/14 with Gwen Lancashire

Matthew Robinson - AltLd - 10/Jun/14 with Marcin

jamesturnbull - 2nd - 05/Jun/14 with John Crook

Rachel Slater - Lead O/S - 01/Jun/14 with Jake Young

Jake Young - 2nd O/S - 01/Jun/14 with Rachel Slater

NDD - Lead O/S - 26/May/14

Seconded Nick, ace.
James Oswald - 2nd O/S - 26/May/14 with Nick Duboust

Mark Grist - Lead O/S - 25/May/14 with Paul Tanton

PaulTanton - 2nd rpt - 25/May/14 with Mark Grist

switch - 2nd - 03/May/14 with Will, Leanne

Hidden - Lead O/S - 04/Mar/14

well good.
rbharries - 2nd dog - 04/Mar/14 with neils EW

Seymore Butt - 2014

mike mo - 2014

mike mo - 2014

mike mo - 2014

mike mo - 2014

mike mo - 2014

P1 was was lovely. Generous holds, steep with some lovely moves. Had some difficulty getting over the bulge. I lead P2, my first E2 of any description. Not technically difficult but a chossy nightmare! Gear was optimistic and every hold moved. Lead P2 clean.
leeds_belle - AltLd dog - 24/Aug/13

Really pumpy, Jon had to rest twice (warm up). Only just clean..
James Oswald - 2nd O/S - 05/Aug/13 with Jon Stewart

Hidden - Lead O/S - 2013

better than I thought it would be. There was even some good climbing on the second pitch.
WB - AltLd O/S - 26/Aug/12 with Guy

Hard 1st pitch, poor 2nd pitch, best to ab off after 1st pitch
wi11 - AltLd O/S - 20/Jul/12 with Max

Rob Pitt - Lead O/S - 07/Jul/12 with Helen Pitt

Hidden - Lead dog - 02/Jun/12

Hidden - Lead β - Jun/12

Not happy with the gear, so I backed off.
Martin Haworth - Lead dnf - 06/May/12

PaulTanton - Lead O/S - 05/May/12 with Helen Fawcett

Full fat E2.
Dave Foster - Lead O/S - 14/Apr/12 with Si 2

Hidden - Lead β - 14/Apr/12

sam820 - 2nd - 12/Apr/12 with Murdoch

Owain Llewelyn - Lead rpt - 11/Apr/12 with Doddy

First pitch is never the stated 37m in the select guide, sandbagged myself into stringing p1 + p2 together as thought I hadn't gone far enough. Some big gear would have been useful for top pitch.
saintlade - 2012

Hidden - 2012

Hidden - AltLd - 13/Nov/11

Ewan Russell - Lead O/S - 13/Nov/11 with Connor

dan ely - Lead O/S - 29/Jul/11 with helen

Hidden - Lead O/S - 10/Jul/11

Adam Lincoln - Lead O/S - 30/May/11 with Joe Bertalot

2 rests due to total arm failure. Good climbing, but steeeeeeep.
victim of mathematics - 2nd dog - 20/May/11 with Sophie Whyte

laurelfan - AltLd - 14/May/11 with Tania

Only climbed the first pitch. Tough one. Tried to lead but backed down. Seconded clean.
Jonas Paulsson - 2nd - 11/May/11 with Jacques Lepesant

Hidden - May/11

Some quality climbing, good and tricky to sort gear. i wouldnt argue with E3 but i had no big gear. The thing about big holds out left is pretty bollocks. lowered off first pitch. could do with re-threading soon. you would need to cut the old stuff and take some thin tape.
Alex Mason - Lead O/S - 12/Apr/11 with Thomas Martin

centurion05 - 2nd rpt - 01/Mar/11 with Owain

Owain Llewelyn - Lead - 01/Mar/11 with Andy

Hidden - 2011

Rory Shaw - 2011

Hidden - 2011

Hidden - 2011

Hidden - Lead O/S - 15/Aug/10

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 24/Jun/10

Hidden - Lead O/S - 23/May/10

khawk - Lead O/S - 03/May/10 with DT

datoon - 2nd O/S - 03/May/10 with K

barni - Lead O/S - 13/Apr/10 with long jon

soph - Lead - 2010 with Colin Angus

soph - Lead - 2010 with Colin Angus

switch - Lead rpt - 20/Sep/09

Hidden - Lead O/S - 18/Jun/09

Dave Rumney - Lead - 25/May/09 with Tanya Milner

brilliant climb, gets a bit spicy if you get pumped on the runout on the first pitch
anguskille - Lead O/S - 02/May/09 with Alex Bromhead

Sgt. Vest - Lead dog - 22/Feb/09 with sophie wilmes

Hidden - 2nd dog - 22/Feb/09

Hidden - Lead - 20/Sep/08

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 30/Jun/08

crag_monster - AltLd - Jun/08

Matt Vigg - 2008

tigertiger - 2008

Al Evans - 2008

Rob Greenwood - UKClimbing - Lead O/S - 2008

Hidden - 2nd dog - 27/Aug/07

i thought id cruise this - no sir! this felt hard at E2 but it doesnt warrant E3. very very good and quite pumpy / sustained, good value. big gear - hexes of use.
ksjs - Lead O/S - 26/Aug/07 with goosebump

Rich Kirby - AltLd O/S - 17/Jun/06 with Nige

nige - Lead - 17/Jun/06 with richard kirby

frost - 2nd - Jun/06 with N Griffiths

NeilGriffiths - AltLd - 18/Jul/04 with Simon Frost

Hidden - 2004

Very tough!
ian caton - Lead O/S - Oct/03 with Abi

Hidden - Lead O/S - 07/Jun/03

Pulled a huge boulder on myself at the very top. Petrified all the climbers on lower tier when it fell off.
TimJM - Lead O/S - May/01 with Dave Reynolds

Hidden - Lead O/S - 22/Aug/99

Roget - Lead O/S - 17/Jun/99 with jim

Hidden - AltLd - 16/Jul/98

Ched - Lead O/S - 1997 with Glanfor

Hidden - Lead rpt - 20/May/95

Dave Musgrove - Lead O/S - 09/Apr/90 with David

Dave Musgrove Jnr - 2nd - 09/Apr/90 with Dad

Hidden - Lead - 1990

andy gittins - 1985

Hidden - Lead O/S - Sep/84

Ian Jones - AltLd O/S - 1983 with Dave Greenald, Billy Jones, Chris Gore, Tom Jones, Paul Stott, 'Flog'

steve L - Lead O/S - 14/Jul/77 with sharpie

Hidden - AltLd - 11/Apr/77

Users with this climb on their wishlist are:
Ewan Russell, Dr Fran (Vagabond MC)

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