Another superb classic taking the exposed grooved arete above Hobson's Choice on perfect rock by way of some varied and absorbing climbing. A must do.

Ticklists: Victim Of Mathematics' Ticklist of Extreme Justice, Classic safe Lake District E2/E3, Very good routes in the UK, Allan Austin Classics, Kendal Wall's Best 100 climbs in Britain, Ultimate E2 ticklist, UK Lonely Leads.

fuzzysheep01 04/Oct AltLd O/S

Led 5a pitch.

DubyaJamesDubya 04/Oct AltLd O/S

I led pitch 1: Bold but steady, difficult to say where the crux was. Two sublime pitches; stellar route.

with Joe Norris
tunnah 01/Oct AltLd O/S
Hidden 15/Sep AltLd O/S
Rachel Slater 06/Sep AltLd O/S

Lead the crux pitch. Lovely moves but short! Wanted to carry on up the next pitch.

tim newton 06/Sep AltLd rpt
Chrismoore94 16/Aug AltLd
DavidR 08/Aug AltLd O/S

I led the crux 5c pitch; Hol led the wandering approach pitch and the top 5a pitch.

Climbster 03/Jul AltLd O/S

P 2 - Nice climb.

with Ian
MFB 27/Jun AltLd

me - top easy pitch (5a) only, the climb to the start (hobsons choice) should not be underestimated

with MB
Hidden 16/Apr Lead O/S
Dave Rumney ??/2015 -
Dave Rumney ??/2015 -
Dave Rumney ??/2015 -
lost.arrow 20/Sep/14 AltLd
with Stu Sherwood
ollyroberts 15/Sep/14 AltLd O/S

Approach pitches and Pitch 2. Esther managed to string the crux pitch and slab together. Left me with the short top corner.

with Esther Seddon
soph 14/Sep/14 AltLd O/S
with Tony Stone
Liam Ingram 13/Sep/14 AltLd O/S

Led main pitch. Not hard but committing and a touch bold.

climbingpixie 13/Sep/14 AltLd O/S

Superb! Enough gear for the hard moves, enough holds on the run out.

with Andy
Hainsy 13/Sep/14 AltLd O/S
with Liam Ingram
Stuart Walker 08/Sep/14 2nd
esther ?/Sep/14 AltLd
DavidEvans 11/Jul/14 AltLd O/S

I thought the crux pitch was quite serious. The climbing is easy enough but it's a long way between the gear. Absolutely cracking route!

with John Helme
ned_85 02/Jul/14 AltLd
Gudge 02/Jul/14 AltLd O/S

P1 & 3. Absolutely brilliant route - all the more spicy for not being able to find the hidden pocket at top of first pitch!

bigdrew 28/Jun/14 AltLd O/S
Hidden 23/Jun/14 AltLd O/S
John Pickles 23/Jun/14 AltLd O/S
barni 22/Jun/14 AltLd O/S
with luke
Luke Brooks 22/Jun/14 AltLd O/S
with Barni
cobweb 16/May/14 AltLd rpt
with martyn hopson
john lynch 19/Apr/14 AltLd O/S

Led the 5c pitch - very absorbing and cold. classic.

with Joe Holden
Hidden ??/2014 -
Alastair R 28/Sep/13 AltLd
with Steve and Pete
Hidden 14/Sep/13 Lead
Paul Figg 10/Jul/13 AltLd

Top quality climb on fab rock.

Pay Attention ?/Jul/13 2nd
GPN 18/Jun/13 AltLd

Lead the main pitch this time. Wonderful route!

Shaw Brown 18/Jun/13 AltLd
Hidden 10/Jun/13 AltLd
Malcolm Bass 10/Jun/13 AltLd O/S
with Adrian Mellor
Rachel Somerville 09/Jun/13 AltLd O/S

P1, P2 and P3.

with Cal
WB 09/Jun/13 AltLd O/S

Not sure its worth 3 stars

with Chris
Lessworkmoreclimbing 08/Jun/13 AltLd O/S

I led pitch 4 which was lovely. Pitch 3 was great. Not too hard but quite out there in position and gear would have focussed my mind!

with Kev
chrishedgehog 07/Jun/13 AltLd O/S

Felt quite friendly for E2 I thought.

with James Rees
Hidden 07/Jun/13 Lead
Stig 07/Jun/13 AltLd O/S
with Chris
Hidden 04/Jun/13 Lead O/S
Hidden 26/May/13 AltLd O/S
JanBella 02/May/13 2nd O/S

some of the best climbing i have ever done. it's got it all - exposure, great views and superb climbing.

with simon
Hidden ?/Apr/13 -
simon_D 11/Aug/12 Lead O/S


with Karen Mc
Kazza91 ?/Aug/12 -
Hidden 15/Jul/12 Lead
disposition62 ?/Jun/12 2nd O/S
Hidden 27/May/12 Lead
Hidden 26/May/12 AltLd O/S
david morse 26/May/12 AltLd O/S

Lead p2, didnt find the pocket above the crack...felt nails without this! Best route I've done in the lakes to date

with todd
Hidden 26/May/12 AltLd O/S
Hidden 14/Apr/12 Lead O/S
Pohil 26/Mar/12 AltLd
with John Crook
nakedave 25/Mar/12 Lead
Bob Windsor ?/Mar/12 2nd
with Pete Graham
JonG ??/2012 -
cballard ??/2012 -
cballard ??/2012 -
Stone Idle ??/2012 -
Stone Idle ??/2012 -
Hidden 01/Sep/11 AltLd O/S
Hidden ?/Aug/11 AltLd O/S
Hidden ?/Aug/11 AltLd O/S
Misha 30/Jul/11 AltLd O/S
with Tom
ellis 24/Jul/11 AltLd rpt

Also failed on nearby route...

with Tom Bridgeland
Hidden 10/Jul/11 AltLd O/S
C coldwell-storry 02/Jul/11 Lead O/S
with rob lay
Rob1988 02/Jul/11 AltLd
with Cal
Andrew Wilson 12/Jun/11 AltLd O/S

Tony linked first 2 pitches. i led 5c pitch, then tony the 5a to the top. amazing route, quite a run out after the flake.

with Tony Womersley
Hidden 27/Apr/11 AltLd O/S
whispering nic 22/Apr/11 AltLd O/S

Very warm. Excellent.

with Buzz
buzby78 22/Apr/11 AltLd
with Nic
Hidden ??/2011 -
alkira ??/2011 -
Hidden ??/2011 -
tim newton 25/Sep/10 AltLd O/S

main pitch easier than i was expecting. 2 cruxes both well protected, with 5a-ish climbing in between getting steadily more run out

nia ?/Sep/10 AltLd
Ahab 15/May/10 AltLd O/S

Got the crux pitch. Seriously committing moves and felt very sparse on gear. Felt considerably harder than an E2 round the corner (bracken clock).

Hidden ??/2010 -
khawk 13/Sep/09 AltLd
with DT
datoon 13/Sep/09 AltLd O/S
with K
Hidden ?/Sep/09 -
Tom Briggs - Jagged Globe 30/May/09 Lead
with Rachel Hassall
HamishD 01/Apr/09 2nd O/S
with Luketheape
lukehunt 01/Apr/09 Lead O/S

Cold and Wet, but great climbing!

with Hamish Dunn
Hidden ??/2009 -
Seymore Butt ??/2009 -
Chad123 28/Sep/08 AltLd O/S

Seemed quite tough for E2, must have been having a bad day - the first tricky section is moving away from your gear and the middle section felt pretty bold. Top crux well protected though and last pitch lovely groove climbing in great postion...shame about first 2 pitches!

with Jo
ewen 31/May/08 Lead O/S
with jeb
Alex Mason 14/May/08 Lead O/S

soloed first two pitches, lead next two seconded, top. Amazing route with exposure too rival anything ive done before.

with Tom Martin
dannyboy83 06/May/08 Lead O/S

Brilliant route

GPN ?/May/08 AltLd
with Simon
Hidden 21/Oct/07 AltLd O/S
Hidden 21/Oct/07 AltLd O/S
IanJackson 09/Sep/07 Lead O/S

Good Climbing in a great position, on amazing rock!

with ShaunL
Hidden 31/Jul/07 AltLd
Hidden 31/Jul/07 AltLd O/S
Graham Iles 10/Jun/07 AltLd

Cooperman lead the main pitch.

J1PEF ?/Jun/07 AltLd
John Kettle 04/May/07 AltLd O/S
Lee Sheard ?/Apr/07 AltLd O/S
with richard
Hidden ?/Aug/06 Lead O/S
Hidden 08/Jul/06 AltLd O/S
fizzy_elephant 08/Jul/06 AltLd O/S

Supoib. Perhaps quite low in the grade.

with stu
Bern ?/Jul/06 -
Hidden 09/Jun/06 Lead O/S
Bella ?/Sep/05 2nd O/S
with Cio
Hidden 07/Aug/05 AltLd O/S
French Erick 08/Jul/05 AltLd O/S
with Jim Holt
Hidden ?/May/04 AltLd rpt
Hidden ??/2004 Lead O/S
Pete Graham ??/2003 2nd
with Rick Graham
Hidden 09/May/02 AltLd
bullybones ??/2000 -
simon cox ??/2000 -
Adam Lincoln ??/2000 Lead
craig matheson ??/1999 Lead
FATBOYFAT ??/1997 Lead O/S
with Jim Hatfield
phardman 21/Sep/96 2nd

Done before

D Tempest 15/Sep/96 AltLd
with Rick
Hidden ?/Aug/96 AltLd
michael burrows 01/Jul/95 Lead O/S
with richard parry
Hidden ??/1995 Lead
John Southworth 17/Jul/94 AltLd
with Andy MacNae
pingora 16/Jul/94 2nd O/S
Hidden ?/May/94 AltLd
Mick King 06/Sep/93 AltLd

Lead P1 & 3

with Simon Walsh
Jonathan Lagoe - UKC ?/Jul/93 AltLd
with Phil Poole
rob.grafton 06/Jun/93 Lead
with Bruce
NickJH ?/May/93 AltLd O/S
with NBarrowclough
Narked4fun ??/1993 -
Hidden 28/Jun/92 Lead O/S
Hidden ?/Jun/92 AltLd
Mick King 20/Jul/91 AltLd

Lead p1 & 3

with Pete Hankinson
PaulTanton ?/Jul/91 Lead O/S
with Garath Bloor
Hidden 08/Aug/90 2nd
Chris Wright 22/Jul/90 AltLd
Hidden 15/Jul/90 Lead
Hidden 14/Jul/90 AltLd O/S
Hidden ??/1990 -
Hidden ??/1990 -
Steve Lenartowicz ??/1990 Lead
Hidden 21/Jul/89 2nd
tmawer ??/1989 Lead O/S
Andy Say 11/Jun/88 Lead
Rich Kirby ??/1988 AltLd O/S
with The General (P.Henderson)
Paula Hamilton-Gibson ??/1987 Lead
with Stella Adams
steve taylor ?/Jul/86 AltLd
with Martin Stansbury
Steve Crowe 22/Jun/86 Lead O/S
John Marsland 28/Sep/85 Lead
with Tony Rex
Bob 08/Jun/85 Solo

The crux was fine, it was the blind groove at the top that was frightening.

ian caton ??/1985 -
Mike Owen 18/Jul/84 -
with Elaine Owen
Bruce Kerr 13/May/84 2nd
with Dave Simmonds
Lone Rider ?/May/84 AltLd
Hidden ??/1984 Lead
Hidden ??/1984 Lead
Ghastly Rubberfeet 21/Jul/83 Lead
with Tom Redfern
Rob Davies 21/Jul/83 Lead dnf

Couldn't do move R on to arete

with Angus McLean
DPaul 19/Jun/83 AltLd O/S
with s.brown
ewar woowar ??/1983 Lead
mark-abz 22/Jul/82 Lead O/S
with Andy W
TonyF 12/Jul/82 AltLd
with Tony Cox
Mark Kemball 29/May/82 AltLd
with Chris Calow
charlesmfrench 16/May/82 AltLd O/S


Bob 18/Apr/82 AltLd O/S
with S. Stean
Hammy 20/Mar/82 AltLd
with Fai Kwong
telemark ??/1982 Lead O/S
with Robin Sills
Campbell42 ?/Jun/81 Lead O/S
with Phil Booth
Hidden ?/Jun/80 AltLd O/S
redjerry ?/Jun/80 Lead O/S
with Roy Williamson
robinsi197 ??/1980 -
with Barbara
andy gittins ??/1980 Lead
Hidden 09/Jun/79 Lead
Ian Jones ??/1979 2nd O/S

Sure felt hard for E1.

with Tommy Curtis
Hidden 03/Jun/78 AltLd O/S
Hidden 03/Jun/78 AltLd
Mark Kemball 22/Jun/77 Lead dnf
D Tempest ?/Jan/77 AltLd
Hidden 25/Apr/76 AltLd
Marcus ??/1976 -
Dave Musgrove 23/Jun/75 AltLd O/S

A significant route at the time and one on which we had to make an early ethical decision. Should we use chalk? - We did but felt guilty about it!

Falko 18/May/75 Lead O/S
with Al W.
greenbuoy ?/Aug/74 2nd

Less difficult than expected, but superb position

jcw 20/Sep/69 -
with Gordon McNair
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