one of the most grotty places on the enitire planet!i believe we were the first people to climb the route out of the winter since the previous century according to the mountain guide it hasnt been done since 1899!is that true i wonder.dangerous with no solid rock or gear placements so when climbing in the wet its climb or fall and die.NOT FUN! jon_gill1 - Lead O/S - 06/Nov/10 with jigi