23m. As for "The Brothers" pitch 2a.
70 feet 5b. From the belay above pitch 1 of the brothers, move right of the overhang to the foot of a crack system and climb this to an obvious undercut at an overlap.
A long reach gains rounded holds and easier ground.
The line shown as Brothers Direct number 76 in the new (2010) guide is actually Oblatron E3 and is considerably harder and poorly protected

Ticklists: Stared Tremadog E1's.

Charlotte Nelson 15/May 2nd
with Heather
Heather Osborne 15/May Lead O/S

Really enjoyed both pitches. Found p2 committing, didn't look like anything in the way of holds or gear when I moved up from the Shadrach block

with Charlotte Nelson
emgroves 14/May 2nd
SAF 26/Apr 2nd O/S
with Phil
Hidden 26/Apr Lead O/S
Pete_Frost 17/Apr AltLd rpt

Led P1 again this time. The top pitch just gets better and better.

with Blake Williams
wi11 05/Apr Lead O/S
with Rene
Ewan Russell 25/Mar AltLd O/S

johnny lead the first pitch

with Johnny Hyde
Hidden 19/Mar Lead O/S
shed_hed 19/Mar AltLd

Led P1, felt hard for VS! Flake was very loose on P2 and looked bold!

with Jonny Schofield
Martin Haworth 13/Mar Lead O/S
with Andy
Andrew Sloan 13/Mar 2nd O/S

The diagram in the Tremadog guide shows the line incorrectly.

Hidden ??/2016 -
joedean ??/2016 -
Pete_Frost 27/Sep/15 AltLd O/S

Led the direct finish correctly this time, instead of following Oblatron as in the new guide! Really nice climbing, good gear and a reachy move that isn't that reachy.

with Scott G
Hidden 27/Sep/15 AltLd O/S
kirsten 06/Sep/15 2nd

Supposed to the warm up climb but it went a bit wrong - backed off Leading P1 when I saw the offwidth, and than seconded up E3 as we went way off route!

with pete
spragglerocks 05/Sep/15 2nd O/S
David Kay 05/Sep/15 AltLd O/S
leethebee 05/Sep/15 AltLd β
with Bob Tyn Y Coed
Hoyes 05/Sep/15 Lead dnf

Attempted to climb the line shown in the 2010 CC guide. Got two thirds of the way up but backed off (soon after the pro ran out) and finished up the normal route. Thought about trying the line shown as Oblatron in the 2010 CC guide but was wary of getting committed on an E3 (the irony). All very confusing – and that’s before you try to work out where What Ever goes?

keitht 01/Sep/15 AltLd

Independent finish in CC guide.

Rory Shaw 12/Jul/15 Lead

Fairly steady climbing but felt a bit bold towards the top. Lovely rough rock. Not sure about confusion with Oblatron. Definitely not an E3

Hidden 12/Jul/15 AltLd O/S
KeenClimber 06/Jun/15 Lead O/S
Hidden 04/May/15 Lead
Hidden 04/May/15 2nd O/S
Hidden 19/Apr/15 AltLd O/S
Rachel Slater 19/Apr/15 AltLd O/S


with Anna Gilyeat
tmawer 06/Apr/15 2nd O/S
with Bram
BTphonehome 06/Apr/15 Lead O/S

As one big pitch. Nice steady climbing to finish the weekend.

with Tony
steveboote 06/Apr/15 Lead
with Adam graham, Megan beaumont
pete johnson ?/Mar/15 -
with monsieur hibbert, dai
Dale ?/Aug/14 Lead O/S

An excellent route did it in one big 47m pitch I'm enjoying these big pitches on this wall at the mo. Nothing went very smoothly got confused where to go on first pitch on brothers the off width crack felt hard for 4b then got confused where I was ment to be as the picture in the guide book is wrong was on the E3 for abit. Glad I took guide book with me soon sorted it out with the description. When Anna came to second, it started to rain so I had to abb off using a very spikey bush and leaving a sling lots of cuts. All good fun

with Anna
davenev 18/Jul/14 -
with luke
joeruckus 08/Apr/14 AltLd O/S
Mowglee 10/Nov/13 AltLd O/S
Will Hunt 10/Nov/13 AltLd O/S

Led P2. Very nice.

Hidden 28/Sep/13 AltLd O/S
woody0606 16/Aug/13 Lead O/S

Very nice climbing. Crux is protected by nuts behind a thin and hollow sounding flake, wouldn't fancy taking the fall...

Kyle87 16/Aug/13 2nd O/S
Alex Riley 07/Aug/13 Lead O/S
with Emma T
ema 07/Aug/13 2nd
Sophie Nunn 16/Jun/13 AltLd O/S

Maybe Oblatron instead if the topo is that???

with Rich P, Martin
Hidden 31/May/13 Lead O/S
Hidden 23/May/13 TR
Dizz 20/Apr/13 AltLd O/S

At Tremfest - while route cleaning :) Led this pitch, seconded first pitch.

with Hugh T
willoates 12/Mar/13 Lead O/S

erm dunno what i did, was it e3? who knows :S

Hidden 11/Mar/13 AltLd O/S
Hidden 03/Mar/13 Lead O/S
Abi Chard 05/Aug/12 AltLd O/S
with Ian
Hidden 04/Aug/12 2nd O/S
Ollie B 12/Jun/12 AltLd O/S

P2. Good E1 on this bit of the crag. Rough rock and enjoyable. Dont let the guide description of slopeyness put you off its not that bad.

with A.Eccles
Shauna 26/May/12 2nd O/S
with Jules
JulesV 26/May/12 Lead O/S
Hidden 26/May/12 2nd rpt
martinazando 06/May/12 AltLd O/S

Lead top pitch. Got confused with the route finding. Good climb!

with Dunx
Dunx 06/May/12 AltLd O/S
with Martina
Hidden 06/May/12 Lead O/S
nic42 06/May/12 2nd O/S
with chris t
Hidden 05/Apr/12 Lead O/S
Sardien 22/Jan/12 2nd O/S

Loved it! Glad I didn't lead it tho with the wet bits and pretty spaced gear

with Andy Scott
Hidden ??/2012 -
CRiddiford 15/Oct/11 2nd
with Pete Graham
Alex Mason 16/Feb/11 Lead O/S

Another great pitch in a oner from the floor.Superb positive edge climbing, then a big move on slopers to finish.

Rory Shaw ??/2011 -
PAJames ??/2011 -
HeatherF 27/Nov/10 2nd O/S
with Bubbles
mr mills 17/Oct/10 Lead O/S
with paul3d
rustaldo 13/Oct/10 AltLd O/S

i lead the first pitch.. alasdair took his time on the E1 but sorted it in the end! a pretty decent variation

Hidden ?/Jun/10 -
Hidden 11/Apr/10 Lead rpt
Wayne S ??/2010 2nd O/S


jelaby 04/Oct/09 Lead O/S

CoffeePot led P1 of The Brothers (which I thought was pretty hard for VS!). The direct finish was lovely, though it is quite a reach.

coffeepot 04/Oct/09 2nd β

Super stuff, great end to a brilliant day, i led teh first pitch of the brothers

with jelaby
cem 24/Jan/09 Lead O/S
Hidden 22/May/08 Lead O/S
ritchierich 04/Feb/07 AltLd O/S

Phil did E1 finish,surprisingly good finishing pitch.

Hidden 27/Mar/04 AltLd O/S
zero six ??/2000 Lead O/S
Hidden 11/Jun/95 AltLd
ewar woowar ??/1987 -
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