"Do you need to sort out your output settings to jpg? - looks like you are not doing your 5DIII images justice (IMO, of course)It just struck me that the foreground cairn looks way over sharpened and lacking the detail that I'm sure is there, same with grass. Looks like the image quality I'd expect out of a compact. Thought the same for the other shots you uploaded recently as well."
I agree with the over-shapening comment, I'll have another crack at it. (I have several thousand images from my 8 week UK holiday to "develop," probably rushed these a bit.)
Any thoughts on sharpening, or general development of images.
In reply to stroppygob:
You've improved the clouds, and where the light hits the mountain in the background. I agree about the foreground tho. Can you give us the original raw to have a play with.
To be honest, compared with some other shots in your gallery, I don't see that shot being worth posting on a public gallery, sharpened or not. It's just dull, and completely unengaging.
I have had the hump posting here, btw, after all the bloody faff it used to involve meeting the pixel dimensions.
Then after 2 hours work, some sodding moderator refused to allow half of them.
I believe the uploading is easier now, but I've still got the arse about the moderation.
Just to add some muddiness to the picture, do people sharpen in RAW or when converted to Jpeg?
I've never used the RAW sharpener before, but I’ve been playing about with it since ChrisJD’s comment, and it does seem to give a more “natural" sharpen.
I am far less experienced than some on here, but why sharpen in JPEG if you've got a RAW image to handle?
On development in general, I've found Jeff Schewe's "The Digitial Negative" really excellent. He has a separate book on sharpening but "The DNG" is pretty useful.
'Input' Sharpening on the RAW image (in line with a classic 'Photoshop' approach)
'Output' Sharpening - dependant on intent (print, screen) and output size/dpi etc, and desired sharpening 'strength' .
I used to use Qimage for printing - gave amazing results (probably still is better than LR fro printing), but too lazy nowadays to boot up a separate program, lol.
> D'you export from Lr into Qimage to prepare images you want to print, or do you now do everything in Qimage?
Would export a tiff from LR without any Output Sharpening and let QImage handle the sharpening optimisation for printing. (I don't use Qimage anymore though)
> (Having lots of fun with my Iceland images; will eventually get round to putting some in my gallery - cheers for the help and advice.)
One thing that might be worth mentioning is that the RAW image you prefer is *less* processed even than what a camera shows you on its screen, or what you see when you've imported a JPEG into your own computer. So the RAW image you prefer is even further from what the eye sees naturally than what the camera's computer, or your computer, has been told by its programmer the human eye sees naturally.
> FWIW, I'd read somewhere that sharpening should be the last action you apply to an image. Some more qualified on here can perhaps comment further.
See two-stage approach comment and links to books above.
In my original comment to OP about his photo(s), I was not commenting on the merit/content of the photos, just the technical image quality of the presented jpg. And only trying to help the OP.
Oh, and thanks to the guys (IainS & Dan Arkle,)who had a play about with the original RAW file, and showed me how they would do it. I learned a lot from that.
> Oh, and thanks to the guys (IainS & Dan Arkle,)who had a play about with the original RAW file, and showed me how they would do it. I learned a lot from that.
The UKC Photographic Collective at its best .... even if we are all 'lying cheating Photoshoppers' (RD, 2013)
I will now be going back to the start of my holiday snaps, and redoing teh whole bloody lot of them in the light, (scuse pun,) of the information gained here.
Will be sharpening the RAW image in CS6.
May be willing to share some here, if they look good/better.
Think about giving Lightroom a go as well (free trials from Adobe) - will help you manage your whole set of images. But another learning curve (scuse the pun).
If they are holiday snaps, and it takes lots of time/effort to mess about with the RAW files, why not just shoot in jpeg like the rest of us punters do?
On the 5d mk iii, dpreview pointed out three jpg problems:
- Destructive noise reduction results in mushy JPEGs, even at base ISO
- Visible sharpening artifacts at default settings
- Heavy-handed noise reduction leads to lack of low-contrast detail at higher ISOs
Yep, fair enough - always satisfying when you learn a new skill too although I need to put more effort into using the settings ON the camera before I need to start worrying about how to fiddle with the picture after it's in the computer!
> although I need to put more effort into using the settings ON the camera before I need to start worrying about how to fiddle with the picture after it's in the computer!
Eh? If you are shooting RAW there's not much to think about on the camera! Focal length, shutter, f.stop, ISO as low as possible. Job done.
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