/ Can you identify these pictures?

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Phil Kelly - on 22 Mar 2013
Hi

I have some photos from the late 1950s/early 1960s that I need to identify.

They are at: http://www.philkelly.com/galleries/unknowns

If anyone can help identify the people and/or the routes I would be really grateful.

Thanks!

Phil
simon c on 22 Mar 2013
In reply to Phil Kelly:

last two are promontory traverse at Black Rocks by the look of it.
Gus - on 22 Mar 2013
In reply to Phil Kelly:
wow, amazing photos!!!!
Phil Kelly - on 22 Mar 2013
In reply to simon c: In reply to simon c: I should have said, the final 2 are Birch Tree Wall and Promontory Traverse (both at Black Rocks; it's the limestone routes and climbers I'd really like to identify.

One of the limestone shots is a route called Memnon at Stoney Middleton.

Phil
Gus - on 22 Mar 2013
In reply to Phil Kelly:
Is number 4 raven tor??
999thAndy on 22 Mar 2013
In reply to Phil Kelly: #5 looks like Ilam Rock - don't know what route though - was white edge originally a peg route?
Baron Weasel - on 22 Mar 2013
In reply to Phil Kelly: The pinnacle looks a bit like Symonds Yat, but I'm not certain.

BW
In reply to Phil Kelly:

5 is Pickering Overhang,


Chris
Rog Wilko on 22 Mar 2013
In reply to Phil Kelly: I'm pretty sure the 4th one is Ilam Rock in Dovedale. Appears to be what is now The Gladiator E4 6a - being aid-climbed in the picture isn't it? Possibly no 5 also Ilam Rock, but I'm uncertain.
Rog Wilko on 22 Mar 2013
In reply to Chris Craggs:
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> 5 is Pickering Overhang,
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> Chris

Are you sure, Chris? It's hard to reconcile with the picture in my guidebook (Peak Limestone South 1987).
Rog Wilko on 22 Mar 2013
In reply to Rog Wilko: As for the first one, I have a hazy memory of a small cave like that near Gymnic, Ravensdale, though it's unlikely anyone would have lugged their bike up there. The bike may suggest it's quite close to a road.
In reply to Rog Wilko:

I think so - isn't that the flake of Chunky Punky on the right?


Chris
In reply to Phil Kelly:

The 1st one might be the Celestial Twins?

The 3rd one might be the old aid route to the left of West Window Groove?

No 5 - High Tor or Raven's Tor?

No 6 - White Edge?


Chris
flaneur - on 22 Mar 2013
In reply to Phil Kelly:

Is Number 3 aiding what is now 'Twilight of the Tired Gods' at Thor's Cave?

Phil Kelly - on 22 Mar 2013
I've added a couple more.

Shot 009 is clearly High Tor, but what route?

Phil
SteveSBlake - on 22 Mar 2013
In reply to Phil Kelly:

High Tor, Debauchery?

Steve
In reply to SteveSBlake:
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> High Tor, Debauchery?
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> Steve

Deffo. I have seen that photo somewhere before (old Southern Limestone guide?), might be Jack Street on the sharp end.


Chris
Mark Harding - on 22 Mar 2013
In reply to Chris Craggs:
The pic of Debauchary is in Hard Rock (maybe just the old edition)? The climber is either Chris Jackson or Jack Street.
Andy Say - on 22 Mar 2013
In reply to Mark Harding:
Its Debauchery and its Chris Jackson Photo by Bob Keates
Andy Say - on 22 Mar 2013
In reply to Andy Say: But not quite the same photo as in Hard Rock - slightly earlier in the sequence I think
blurty - on 22 Mar 2013
In reply to Chris Craggs:
> (In reply to Phil Kelly)
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> The 1st one might be the Celestial Twins?
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> Chris

The cave at Celestial twins has a 4' step up to it, I think it's either the cave next to Ilam rock, by the footbridge, or possibley the cave at the bottom of Pickering Tor, taken from a starge angle.

The bike rider must have come down the dale, from Milldale. (Something I do most Tuesday nights!)
Lankyman - on 22 Mar 2013
In reply to Phil Kelly: in picture 008 the man on the left MIGHT be Colin Kirkus http://www.wayfarersclub.org.uk/the_wayfarers_club_origins.html
mark20 - on 22 Mar 2013
In reply to Chris Craggs:
004 is The Flake. Pickering Overhang is futher to the left.
unclesamsauntibess - on 22 Mar 2013
In reply to Phil Kelly: Picture three looks like it might be Face Route at Gordale?
Rob Exile Ward on 22 Mar 2013
In reply to Karl Lunt: Sadly not in the 1950s.
Phil Kelly - on 22 Mar 2013
In reply to Rob Exile Ward: (in reply to Karl Lunt)

Picture 008 is actually much earlier than the rest. It could date from anywhere around 1925 onwards, so it *could* be Kirkus but that would be doubtful.

There is a possibility that the chap at the back of the group could be Philip A Barnes who took a lot of photos published in the early gritstone guidebooks.

Phil
Mark Harding - on 23 Mar 2013
In reply to Andy Say:
> (In reply to Andy Say) But not quite the same photo as in Hard Rock - slightly earlier in the sequence I think

I think the first edition used exactly the same photo but the second edition used a slightly different one from the same sequence.
Al Evans on 23 Mar 2013
In reply to Phil Kelly: great, where did you get them from Phil?
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Phil Kelly - on 23 Mar 2013
In reply to Al Evans: Hi Al

They're just some of the photos that have come in whilst I've been looking for pics.

It's the group of 3 climbers that I'd really like to get identified.

Phil
Gordon Stainforth - on 23 Mar 2013
In reply to Phil Kelly:

I think about your best bet would be go get in touch with one of the old timers in the Oread Mountaineering Club, like Derrick Burgess, because Black Rocks, High Tor, Dovedale etc was very much their patch.
dominic lee - on 24 Mar 2013
In reply to Andy Say:
> (In reply to Mark Harding)
> Its Debauchery and its Chris Jackson Photo by Bob Keates

Stylish use of the rope over the top of the peg...
dominic lee - on 24 Mar 2013
In reply to dominic lee:
#5 white edge.
#8 no idea but nice hats. The guy at the back could be Bill Sykes from Oliver..

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