/ Camping how much is too much
6 pounds per night seems like a good deal to me and anything under a tenner reasonable.
What do others think?
If they charge by the tent then get a second person into it and you are down to 6-7 quid a night. Result.
I think that anything more than £7-8 per person per night for a basic (loo and shower block, nothing fancy) site is too much. After all, what are you paying for? Access to a small patch of grass and some water? On sites with more facilities (I'm thinking, for example, the site in Eskdale with a kids adventure playground, tumble driers etc etc) I'm prepared to pay more since I'll be there to use those facilities.
I do think it's reasonable to maybe charge on size of tent rather than number of occupants, since you can fit more small tents on the site, assuming it doesn't have marked pitches. As someone else said on another thread, my biggest gripe is charging more for a campervan than a tent. If not using any hook ups etc, surely there shouldn't be a difference?
Oh, and if more campsites had good drying rooms, or any drying room at all, I'd pay a quid or so more per night!
sorry but I don't like sharing a tent when car camping (unless its with my GF)
This is why I wild camp as much as possible or stay in huts. Campsites are a ripoff especially when compared to abroad.
Care to give us a like-for-like campsite price comparison between "ripoff Britain" and "abroad"?
In south wales they all seem to be in cahoots (Gower and northern Wye Valley areas anyway) and it's quite hard to find cheaper campsites.
Not sure that's possible. Most of the european camp sites I have stayed on have been quite expensive and really nice.
even in chamonix we were only paying 10 euro a night
I think this is generally a problem when camping at popular seaside destinations - pricing is really geared to much larger tent / car occupancy and often for more than just a weekend.
Gower seems to be particularly problematic as there don't seem to be the slightly inland farmers field options you find most places.
Yes, we struggled to find a basic campsite on the north yorkshire coast. It's all geared up for families with big sites with loads of facilities.
£12-16 is the going rate in NW Scotland
I think a lot of them tend to charge what the market will bear. If their target market is genteel walkers or families with kids who would otherwise be stuck forking out X amount for B&Bs they'll tend to be more expensive than if their target market is skinflint climbers who'll otherwise kip in the van in a layby or book into a club hut or a cheap bunkbarn. Also if their target market is families, their "per tent" charge might be assuming an 8-man monster with a load of kids in, and they can't be bothered implementing some sort of complicated sliding scale for the benefit of people in little two-man tents.
It'd be nice if all campsites had some sort of rational and consistent charging scale where different sizes of tent, camper van etc pay based on their use of the available resources, but it's their business and if they want to pick something simple and stick with it then it's my choice to lump it or go elsewhere if I feel like it's not worth what they're charging. And it doesn't seem worth getting huffy that someone with a different setup is getting an unfairly better deal if I'm still paying a decent price for what I get.
I've always found that British campsites seem to charge quite a lot and offer relatively poor facilities when compared with those in other places I've stayed at in Europe.
What annoys me is that often in the uk they kick up a stink about my van, and say that its a commercial vehicle, which they don't allow on site, but are quite happy to allow tatty old transits with a side window as that is deemed to be a camper.
On some sites, if you tell them you are going to be sleeping in the van, you get charged motor home rates.
Through experience, I try to avoid these kind of places.
Camping is not really a cheap option these days.
That's not my experience. Most recently (May this year) Morvich (Glen Shiel) were charging £10 for tent/1-person/car. Dunvegan was £7pppn regardless of number of tents/cars. Even the Ullapool site, one of the most expensive I've stayed at, would only charge £11.
Those are the current rates for Clachtoll , Ardmair and Achilitibue
I've never really tried the whole van thing.
I've generally ended up staying places that cost about £4 to £10 per person, which compares favourably with almost anything except wildcamping.
In any case, it's not something I can really work myself up into a state of righteous indignation about because pretty much every campsite I can remember staying in has felt like a farmer or a pub or some other locals making a bit of money on the side, with a tariff that feels like they've arbitrarily picked out some numbers that are simple to administer and seem to work. There's never the impression of being a finely tuned corporate machine for cynically extracting as much money out of you as they can. With the possible exception of that place associated with the Cwellyn Arms in Rhyd Ddu.
> What do others think?
Off the top of my head, places I stay regularly:
Tom's Field - £7 pppn
Hardhurst Farm, Bamford - £5 pppn
Chapel House Farm, Borrowdale - £6 pppn
Hot And Cold Showers, Nant Peris - about £5 pppn
Hen Cloud - £4 ppn
Gwern Gof Uchaf, Ogwen - £5 pppn
About a tenner for two nights accommodation in an amazing location doesn't seem too upsetting - it's a lot less than I'll spend on beer on an average trip for starters.
Mostly with fairly basic facilities, but then I usually hope not to spend too much of my trip in the toilet block anyway. Not sure where all you lot are going?
Yeah these type of prices are what I usually pay but as mentioned the south wales site I've visited seem very expensive ( I looked around for cheaper too)
I'd agree with you.
I consider £10 a rip-off. £14-£16 is unbelievable!
Those are my sort of sites. If you go somewhere that looks expensive then it probably is.
Learned the hard way.
The one on Hen Cloud was 40p / night in 1985, hasn't gone up much and is more than adequate. (Have they got a water tap on the field yet)?
Based on what ? understanding the business case of the site concerned or because it seems too high ? I would imagine if that I were trying to make a living out of something as seasonal as running a campsite (rather than supplementing a living)I suspect £16 is very believable.
> Based on what ?
Based on value for money.
> Care to give us a like-for-like campsite price comparison between "ripoff Britain" and "abroad"?
Going rate for a campsite in the Frankenjura is around 7 Euros per person per night. Regardless of how many tents. With good showers and washing facilities, generally somewhere under cover to cook & eat in the rain too.
More than double in the Alps though.
Glad to hear it, I'm going there next week.
Perhaps it is believable in the eyes of the business person, but not a normal punter.
If I were a local with a field near one of these glamping sites, I would be very opportunistic.
They can only charge so much before they out price themselves?
Austerity and all that?
But, since the national parks are riddled with 'posh pound punters', I can't see prices lowering.
Two sorts of customer - families who want to go on holiday for a week somewhere nice and probably not stray far from the tent, and climbers who just want somewhere to sleep, shit and maybe wash and eat. The problem I think is where the climbers have no choice but to stay in the campsites geared towards the families.
I like the sound of "riddled with posh pound punters" Skol.
In reply to xplorer on the other thread.
In reply to Skol:
National trust site
Tent pitch (includes car/motorbike, 1 adult, small tent) £8.25 (low)
£10.25 (mid) £12.50 (high)
Campervan Basic (includes 1 adult) £8.25 (low) £10.25 (mid)
Electric hook up (tents and campervans) £4
Pod (includes maximum 2 adults + 1 child, 1 car/motorbike)
£30.00 (low) £45.00 (mid) £50.00 (high)
Family Pod (includes maximum 2 adults + 3 children, 1 car/motorbike)
£35.00 (low) £50.00 (mid) £55.00 (high)
Medium tent supplement £3.00 (mid) £6.00 (high)
Large tent supplement £6.00 (mid) £10.00 (high)
Adults (16 and over) £5.50
Children (5 to 15) £2.50
Extra car/motorbike £5.00
Gazebo / mess tent / pup tent* £5.00
Dog (must be kept on lead at all times and max. 2 per pitch, not allowed inside pods) £1.50
Non-refundable booking fee £5.00
That would be decision made for me!
>be in NW Scotland
>stay at Torridon free campsite
>stay behind the kings house for free, because only a Clachaig worshipping daftie would stay at the dead squirrel.
>wild camp loads
>don't pay anything for campsites
>occasionally pay for a campsite when I need a shower.
Good lord, where do you camp apart from slumming it at Eichlers? The going rate is €8-8.50 p.p. €3 per tent. €1-2 for a car at least in the sites I use.
Hen Cloud is an exorbitant (tongue firmly in cheek) £3 per person per night now, but alas no running water on the site itself yet.
Robert Taylor: Why the hatred for Red Squirrel? Driving to Glencoe as students the Invercoe campsite charged a small fortune and we moved to red squirrel for the rest of our week and I admit for one the water taps piped into trees and atmosphere all made it worth the while, and if I can't remember it being expensive while living as a perpetually cash strapped student then it can't be that bad can it?! Or has it gone up, I'm heading up in a few weeks so any nasty surprises in store on the finance front?
All the best
Hi. First campsite was hen cloud in the 80's. 40p?
Squirrel is ok for a night after a few wildcamps, and is ok at ? £8.00.
The trust site across the main road is truly exorbitant. Charged me for bivvying for 8 hrs. They need to be more flexible for people's needs. Ie if you arrive after 10 and go early it's £5?
I remember reading your previous post about your 10pm 5am stay in a different thread. Not sure I agree with you on the almost pay per hour view but I can see how you're miffed by it though.
If I make use of shower and all the facilities at Red Squirrel I feel £8 isn't too much of a gripe for a night or two. After that I agree wild camp! Although good wild camping practice obviously at all times.
Anyone know the going rate at Glenbrittle campsite at the moment? Planning on spending a few nights there soon too!
All the best.
do you not still have to pay to actually use the hut though?
OK I'll remember beaches farm for next time I'm in the area, there is another one nearer to the seven estury that's quite basic but pretty cheap too.
Camping on the Gower is just a con as most of the sites are expensive, have minimum stay limits of 2 nights on the weekends, and the facilities are normally crap/dirty.
I live in Swansea so we usually drive home after a day on the Gower.
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It has nothing to do with what you are paying for and everything to do with what people will pay. The recent rise in popularity in camping driven by camping supermarkets and the like has driven up prices. You only have to look at the high prices charged by Langdale campsite these days. Given they are still continuously booked out, why wouldn't they charge more?
£7 each for two of us, small tent and car two weeks ago.
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