In reply to Wry Gob: Respect, but High Tor is not a trad (only?) venue, having a relatively long history of mainly trad mixed with some sport and the two co-exist very comfortably. The elimination of the last aid points on Squeezing Out Sparks and Limelight, by Jon, has provided 2 excellent challenges for anybody interested (and good enough) with no effect on the High Tor trad only experience of others.