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Something Better Change* E2 5b.

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[Andrew300169 on Something Better Change. Roaches May 1990, 3 kb]10m. The centre of the delicate slab on small but improved holds. The exit is very rounded and avoiding the crack to the left requires will-power especially near the top. A (sensible?) side runner in Yong lowers the grade a couple of notches. © ROCKFAX
FA. Gary Gibson 1978

Ticklists: ROCKFAX Western Grit Grade List.

Photo: Andrew300169 on Something Better Change. Roaches May 1990 © andrew300169
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This climb is in 243 logbooks, and on 6 wishlists.

Mike Turner - TR - 18/Jul/14 with Marc Isambart

Andrew Abraham - Lead rpt - 11/Jun/14 with Ky

Easy on a top rope!
jamie ward - TR O/S - 25/May/14 with Steve Smith

No side runner.
LakesWinter - Lead O/S - 05/May/14 with Phil B

Hidden - TR - 04/May/14

Hidden - Lead RP - 27/Apr/14

Really enjoyed this - probably because I don't climb many routes of this type - I also enjoyed the moves
tom bre - 2nd O/S - 27/Apr/14 with Paul Deane

Dan Vaj - TR O/S - 13/Apr/14 with Dave Minshall

with Ben Edwin and Dylan Burgess. Worked it a couple of times on TR then solo'd it. My first E2.
warrygallace - Solo - Apr/14

Used a runner at about half height because Im sensible. So definitely not E2.
MSchobitz - Lead O/S - 30/Mar/14 with Tom

Great little route, climbing on little bosses and so feels much more solid than other grit slabs. Fun last move, especially with no side runners.
Teappleby - Lead - 30/Mar/14 with Micki Schobitz

WhipperSnapper - TR O/S - 01/Mar/14 with Maxie

Hidden - TR - 2014

Supadeano86 - 2nd O/S - 29/Sep/13

Good test of gritstone grip!
JamesColeman - TR O/S - 29/Sep/13 with Dean

Paul Hy - TR O/S - 28/Aug/13 with Dean

Lead, clean on-sight but with a low side runner. Probably HVS/E1 given that. Really precarious top out, hard 5a/easy 5b would seem fair.
Malt_Loaf - Lead O/S - 20/Aug/13

Hidden - TR O/S - 08/Aug/13

Had top rope on Yong. Obviously different on the lead (solo) but didn't think it was too hard.
Matt Smith - TR O/S - 08/Aug/13 with Zoe Taylor

Dave138 - Solo rpt - 27/Jul/13

Mike Turner - TR - 19/Jul/13 with Robert Ellam, Jeremy Hall

ClimbMad - 2nd - 14/Jul/13

Bold without side runner
ipegg - Lead O/S - 06/Jul/13 with Bryan

cragant - TR - 02/Jun/13

sam corbett - Solo O/S - Jun/13

TRd afeter Yong. Felt quite hard as had brand new shoes on. Didn't really fancy the solo, for what is after all a bit of an eliminate.
Tom Last - TR O/S - 31/May/13 with Chester

Dennis999 - TR O/S - 26/May/13

Hidden - TR O/S - 12/Apr/13

Hidden - 2nd - 01/Mar/13

to lead will be ballsy but doable at the moment!
peteramsden - 2nd O/S - 27/Feb/13

saffy - 2013

good to get the head in gear.
willoates - Solo rpt - 08/Oct/12

timmsy - 2nd - 16/Sep/12 with Neil

jstringer - TR O/S - 09/Sep/12 with Jamie Williams, Martin Bowyer

Jonny M - TR O/S - 18/Aug/12 with Craig Perkins, Karen Chalmers

Hidden - TR O/S - 18/Aug/12

MichaelGallimore - TR O/S - 11/Aug/12

kez1 - TR O/S - 24/Jul/12 with mike jones, james davies

WillDoyle - Lead O/S - 22/Jul/12

Hidden - TR O/S - 11/Jul/12

Hidden - TR dog - 26/Jun/12

Rope already there afte brother led Yong so though it would give it ago, Nice moves, will have to solo it oneday
Killianmurphy - TR O/S - 26/Jun/12

Rope was there after doing yong, so gave it a go. Nice moves.
CLedden - TR O/S - 02/Jun/12

jdawg_85 - 2nd O/S - 21/Apr/12 with michael burrows

with side runners
michael burrows - Lead rpt - 21/Apr/12 with Jay, phil biglands

With a side runner in Yong, placed on lead. HVS?
MarkRoe - Lead rpt - 05/Apr/12 with Matt Breakell

matty123 - 2nd - 05/Apr/12 with Mark Roe

andy_e - TR O/S - 24/Mar/12

DanChad - TR O/S - 2012 with Paul Deane, Chris Murray

Cake - 2nd O/S - 06/Nov/11 with John Cooper

LJC - Lead O/S - 24/Oct/11 with ben.richards

First E grade, no side-runners just a big cam behind the block on the bottom right.
ben.richards - Lead O/S - 24/Oct/11 with Luca Celano

Enjoyable slab work, I managed it barefoot second time around. If I was with anyone else but my mum I might have considered going for the solo.
MarkRoe - TR O/S - 14/Sep/11 with Helene Roe

Hidden - Lead O/S - 10/Sep/11

ross brinson - TR - 01/Sep/11

With side runner
gingerwolf - Lead O/S - 14/Aug/11

Hidden - TR - 29/Jul/11

nice route, not alltogether sure i climbed the right route though?
PeteWilson - TR O/S - 29/Jul/11

Ky - Lead RP - 26/Jul/11 with Dan Timmis

michael burrows - TR rpt - 24/Jul/11 with margaret

donkster - Lead rpt - 29/Jun/11 with neil, mudders

simonward - Solo rpt - 27/Jun/11

Hidden - TR - 20/Jun/11

Hidden - TR O/S - 15/Jun/11

Hammy - TR - 04/Jun/11 with Shunt

Hidden - 2nd - May/11

With side runners
Spidermunkie - Lead O/S - 26/Apr/11

danielwalker716 - 2nd - 26/Apr/11

Dan Geh - TR O/S - 22/Apr/11 with Thomas Geh

tgeh - TR O/S - 22/Apr/11 with dan geh

AMarchant - Solo O/S - 19/Apr/11 with Ally Hurst

low side runner.
donkster - Lead rpt - 06/Apr/11 with ki

Ky - 2nd - 06/Apr/11 with Donk

climbed the clean chalked line- and avoided crack on left- but did not feel like 5B. Great route despite the 'improved holds'.
bobpilgrem - TR O/S - 25/Mar/11 with Bob/Nic

John Mckeating - 2011

smear test with sketchy top out
ragabond007 - TR - 2011

Roped solo to bring up seconds. Done previously ('95).
jshields - Solo - 09/Oct/10 with Liam Weaver, Ed James

Had followed a friend up yong, and had a look. Went back down and did it. Nice steady moves, avoided crack :)
drewish - Solo β - 24/Sep/10

muwasi - TR O/S - 21/Sep/10

parker236 - TR - 12/Sep/10 with Peter Parker

With Siderunner
marclloyd77 - Lead O/S - 22/Aug/10 with Dean Bucknall

with side runner hvs
dean79 - Lead O/S - 22/Aug/10 with Marc Lloyd

Hidden - TR rpt - 16/Aug/10

dja - TR O/S - 16/Aug/10 with Andy Smith

matthomas79 - 2nd dog - 02/Aug/10

Hidden - TR O/S - 13/Jul/10

charley - TR O/S - 03/Jul/10 with Steve Fletcher, Ange, Kev

Tithe Technique - TR O/S - 03/Jul/10 with Steve Fletcher, Angela Paul, Charley Fell

Nice climb..would be a solo rather than a lead without a toprope.
valentinesbabe - TR O/S - 03/Jul/10 with Charley Fell, Kevin Tithe, Steven Fletcher

chumleywarner - TR O/S - 03/Jul/10 with Angela Paul

on slack top rope, but top rope nonetheless. Did not find too hard but different proposition without that rope - top would be very nervy
jonathan watt - TR - 01/Jul/10

LittleClimbingMaria - 28/Jun/10

Ade7 - TR O/S - 19/Jun/10 with Leah

Hidden - TR O/S - 19/Jun/10

Nicola - TR O/S - 19/Jun/10

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 19/Jun/10

Did it cleanly this time, just using the "holds" up the middle.
mmalbon - TR - 16/Jun/10 with Mick

Looks far to gearless and scary to lead. I'm half tempted to try now though...
Kelly D - TR O/S - 12/Jun/10 with Richard King

Gearless, therefore top-rope. Two tricky moves. Otherwise mild. Wouldn't solo it though - slip potential is too great!
graphiclunarkid - TR β - 12/Jun/10 with Kelly D

with side runners
michael burrows - Lead rpt - 05/Jun/10 with margaret

Lallylandslider - 2nd - 05/Jun/10 with michael burrows

grady - Lead O/S - Jun/10

Bobbyonrock - TR O/S - 30/May/10 with Matt

gd303uk - TR O/S - 20/May/10 with Dave Bennet

daveyb - TR O/S - 20/May/10 with gd303uk

I did the Hvs version
Alistair Corbett - Lead O/S - 19/May/10 with john corbett, sam corbett

szelest - TR β - 19/May/10

willson - Lead - 15/Mar/10 with Phil Stubbs

GF - Lead - 2010

Hidden - Lead - 2010

aharbey - TR - 2010

With side runners (HVS)
monsteratt - Lead O/S - 03/Oct/09 with Matt, Nic and Andy

Boy - Oct/09

Hidden - TR O/S - 13/Sep/09

Clean twice, next time no rope
ben__day - TR O/S - 29/Aug/09 with Martin Parmitter

(Had top rope set up in case I chickened out!)
BeccaSnowden - Solo β - 25/Jul/09

With Side-runner (HVS)
MattT88 - Lead O/S - 25/Jul/09 with Becca Snowden

Should Have soloed the first time
MattT88 - Solo rpt - 25/Jul/09 with Becca Snowden

sgl0jd - Solo - 10/Jul/09

neilpotter - TR O/S - 23/Jun/09

and ryan
Lallylandslider - 2nd - 12/Jun/09 with michael doyle

mic_b - Lead O/S - 31/May/09

fruitcake72 - 2nd O/S - 31/May/09 with mic_b

stevemcg - TR - 09/May/09

soft touch
Glyn Davidson - Solo β - 09/May/09 with Ian andrews

lead with side runners, felt about HVS
michael burrows - Lead O/S - 09/May/09 with margaret

Lallylandslider - 2nd - 09/May/09 with michael burrows

TiffTiff - Solo β - 25/Apr/09

garburn - Solo O/S - 25/Apr/09

Ed Westwood - Solo β - 25/Apr/09 with nilsamelinckx

dan gibson - Solo O/S - 12/Apr/09

JonBrown - Solo O/S - 2009

Mr Wild - Solo - 2009

willackers - 2009

I veered slightly left of centre but didnt touch Yong.. used one big pocket to step into before the top
richardhopton - Lead O/S - 25/Sep/08 with Matt Thombs

towdman - TR - 20/Sep/08 with Mark Senior

An enjoyable jaunt up a featureless face. Wouldn't have been quite as nice without protection.
hugh2002 - TR O/S - 26/Jul/08 with Si & Gavin

siah - TR O/S - 26/Jul/08 with gav nixen and hugh munro

RichieJ - TR O/S - 16/Jul/08 with Mike Jones

quantized - TR rpt - 16/Jul/08 with Rich Jones

Don't usually top rope but seconded Yong and got lowered down. Always easy on a TR.
jcurley - TR O/S - 06/Jun/08 with Malcolm rr

Didn't think it was as hard as 5b, maybe we cheated? Didn't go into the crack on Yong but used some "larger" slopers towards the left at one point.
mmalbon - TR - 21/May/08 with Mick and Simon

Thought of soloing this but thankfully thought again
quantized - TR O/S - 18/Mar/08 with Phil Kirk

daveagriff - Lead - 2008

Hidden - TR - 2008

Lev - TR rpt - 04/Nov/07 with Rob Horton & Jon Crouch

Hidden - TR - Oct/07

Worrying.
John_Hat - Solo O/S - 30/Sep/07

A high crux and VERY sloped top out mean the lead may have to wait for another day.
Will Hunt - TR O/S - 10/Sep/07

wimpy side runner...
Col Allott - Lead O/S - 08/Sep/07 with Alex Sturrock

Mike W - Solo O/S - Sep/07

djking1983 - Solo - 14/Aug/07

Hidden - Solo - 04/Aug/07

JWB - Solo - 04/Aug/07 with Rob Lillywhite

Hidden - Lead O/S - Aug/07

tom - TR O/S - 29/Jul/07 with Dan Leach

Dan Leach - TR β - 29/Jul/07 with Tom Bellfield

did yong with a couple of begginers so had a bash a this, great climb.
RETICENTFISH - TR O/S - 20/Jul/07

Hidden - TR O/S - 14/Jul/07

cheeky low side runner.
donkster - Lead O/S - Jun/07 with dennis

prof_vague - TR dog - 06/May/07 with monita

placed a couple of runners in yong so HVS
gb83 - Lead - 05/Apr/07 with chriscopps

chriscopps - 2nd - 05/Apr/07

mattyork2 - Lead O/S - 04/Feb/07 with Ally Smith

tim87dj - TR O/S - 04/Feb/07

alaan - Solo O/S - 03/Feb/07

Hidden - Solo β - 26/Sep/06

With Siderunners so HVS
Whitt - Lead rpt - 07/Sep/06 with Andy

Hidden - TR O/S - 07/Sep/06

Hidden - TR rpt - 07/Sep/06

Hidden - Lead rpt - 07/Sep/06

Whitt - TR O/S - 06/Aug/06 with Michael Whittaker

Hidden - TR O/S - 17/Jul/06

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 17/Jul/06

kendogcatchy - TR - 19/Jun/06 with Paul Martindale

flyboy86 - TR O/S - Jun/06 with Nick (kendogcatchy)

With side runner i.e. HVS
Chesh - Lead - 25/May/06 with Paul Lestor

Ky - 2nd O/S - 24/Sep/05 with Uni Partners

mick1jones - TR dog - Sep/05 with Andy Turner

LoopyLou - TR O/S - Sep/05 with Helen Lear

arin78 - 2nd O/S - 07/Aug/05 with Mark

Hidden - 2nd - 2005

Tom Briggs - Jagged Globe - 2005

mark s - 2005

Hidden - 2005

Andrew Barker - Solo O/S - 2005

Andy Clarke - Solo rpt - 19/Dec/04

Brian Rodgers - Lead O/S - Aug/04 with Kath

Hidden - TR - 14/Jul/04

Hidden - TR O/S - 10/Jul/04

dannyboy83 - Solo O/S - Jun/04

With side runner, HVS.
Stig - Lead O/S - 23/May/04 with Charlie Reade-Jahn

Hidden - 2004

feilx - 2004

Mark Collins - Lead O/S - 18/Oct/03 with Neil Henson

Neil Henson - 2nd - 18/Oct/03 with Mark Collins

Lev - Solo rpt - 18/Oct/03 with Spen, Si Evans

Paul Phillips - UKC and UKH - Solo O/S - 12/Oct/03

Andrew Abraham - Lead O/S - 25/Sep/03

Hidden - Lead β - Sep/03

Again!!!!!
Leofallon - Solo - 21/Jun/03

Smelly Fox - Solo rpt - 23/May/03

Lev - Solo O/S - 14/Mar/03 with Spen

BruceW - Lead O/S - 2003 with Becca

Hidden - Lead - 16/Aug/02

There's no gear in it anyway, so does it really count as an E2 solo?
Leofallon - Solo - 26/Jul/02

My first extreme lead. Very bold, but all flowed quite smoothly and didn't feel too hard for the grade. Nick belayed with some strange item from his collection of Red Army surplus equipment - which looked like it was designed more for abseiling out of attack helicopters - so didn't really matter that there's no gear! A month after leading my first VS.
Andy Clarke - Lead O/S - 19/Jun/02 with Nick

Duncan Bourne - Solo RP - 18/Jun/02

Neil Curtis - TR O/S - 16/Oct/01 with Glenn Kelly

Gus - Solo O/S - 26/Aug/01

tlr - Solo - 2000

Hammy - TR - 29/Oct/99

Hidden - Lead - 30/Aug/99

Hidden - Lead O/S - 09/Aug/99

nige - Solo - 25/Aug/97

Hidden - TR - 14/Aug/97

Hidden - TR O/S - 03/May/97

Hidden - TR O/S - 22/Mar/97

Ian Archer - 2nd O/S - 22/Sep/95 with Andy Symonds

charlesmfrench - 2nd O/S - 27/May/95 with Richard Wayte

ColinD - TR - 14/Apr/95

cragspud - Lead O/S - 1995

nai - Solo - 1995

brady - TR - 1995 with John Cameron

Put a side runner just over half way up Yong making it HVS !
stokienomad - Lead - 12/May/94

Hidden - Lead - 24/Aug/93

Hidden - Lead - 19/Aug/93

Andy Say - Solo - 19/Aug/91

Roget - Solo O/S - 17/Apr/91 with baccy

Felt easy after soloing Chalkstorm
Michael Hood - Solo - 09/Aug/90

Hidden - Lead - 22/Apr/90

andrew300169 - Lead O/S - 1990

HVS 4c? Led with side runner 17/5/89. Solo 16/4/93. Also R arete of slab 9/5/93, 5b?
Iain Thow - TR - 04/May/89 with Rob Ivens

babymoac - 2nd - 26/Nov/88 with Alan S

Hidden - Lead - 23/Jun/88

goi.ashmore - Solo O/S - 04/Apr/88

Hidden - Lead - 24/Jun/87

jamiev - Lead β - 1987 with alex veitch

Chris Ellis - TR - 28/Sep/86 with Karen Veale, Martin Veale

Hammy - TR - 27/Apr/86

Hidden - Solo - 25/Jun/85

Hidden - Solo - 01/Jul/82

Nic Robinson - Solo O/S - 01/Jul/82

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Style of ascent

Soloed46 of 243 (18.9%)
Lead59 of 243 (24.3%)
Followed27 of 243 (11.1%)
Toproped101 of 243 (41.6%)
Unknown10 of 243 (4.1%)

'Climbed'83 of 243 (34.2%)
clean O/S122 of 243 (50.2%)
clean β11 of 243 (4.5%)
clean rpt20 of 243 (8.2%)
clean RP3 of 243 (1.2%)
dogged4 of 243 (1.6%)