Zig Zag** VS 4b
[Sue on Zig Zap, Castle Rock of Triermain, 1st pitch, 4b, 3 kb]No description has been contributed for this climb.

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Photo: Sue on Zig Zap, Castle Rock of Triermain, 1st pitch, 4b © Steve Orrell
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This climb is in 289 logbooks, and on 6 wishlists.

ajsburns - 2nd - 25/Aug/14

Conan - AltLd - 24/Aug/14 with KMC

Pitches 1 and 2 of OB
Steve Lenartowicz - Lead - 05/Jul/14 with Clare

John Brayshaw - Lead rpt - 01/Jun/14 with Eleanor Greenwood

Hidden - AltLd - 21/May/14

David Smith - 2014

Varied climb, good VS lead.
Matt Poole - Lead O/S - 29/Sep/13 with Paulina Pilarska

Hidden - 2nd - 20/Jul/13

Rather dirty, suffering from lack of traffic.
Shaw Brown - AltLd - 14/Jul/13 with Judith Neaves

Hidden - AltLd - 14/Jul/13

Hidden - 2013

Hidden - 2013

Hidden - Lead - 2013

Hidden - 2013

Hunter72 - 2nd - 2013

Hunter72 - 2nd - 25/May/12 with Peter Ibberson

A slight variation - went up to the pinnacle belay of Overhanging bastion, then downclimbed to get back on route, missing the hand traverse
Nick Russell - AltLd O/S - 22/Apr/12 with Charlie Beard

Linking pitches, as expected produced horrendous rope drag! First pitch was the best, with great exposure, gear and airy moves. Overshot the hand traverse on pitch two, instead climbing up to the pinnacle on Overhanging Bastion. Final slab was very mossy and had water running down it. Thankfully this pitch was pretty easy!
cbeard - AltLd O/S - 22/Apr/12 with Nick Russell

Ian Hinkins - 2012

Hidden - 2012

Callum Anderson - 2012

Charlie Zephyr Booth - 2012

JonG - 2012

cballard - 2012

Stone Idol - 2012

Nice and varied, but beware of the loose block hold on the first crack on p3 - I avoided it when leading, which made it somewhat harder. Jane used it for seconding, and it didn't come off... lovely weather and nice view.
Little B - Lead O/S - 14/Jul/11 with Jane

Hidden - Lead O/S - 13/Jul/11

I led P2 and P4
clairepoppett - AltLd O/S - 11/Jul/11 with John F

i did the easy pitches
martrin - AltLd - 12/Jun/11 with Sarah Kekus

Led p2 and p3. P1 is nice, p2 nice and easy traverse, p3 dirty with loose holds, p4 nice and easy slab. Major faff at belay at the end of p2 due to not realising its shared with Overhanging Bastion. Another faff at the belay ledge at end of p3 due to exposed undersoil (has a tree fallen down?). Overall, a mixed bag. Wouldnt rush back to do it again.
climberuk - AltLd O/S - 05/Jun/11 with Niall

Led p1 and p4. Good fun pitches, marred by the earthy belay on p3.
niallk - AltLd O/S - 05/Jun/11 with Steven Harris

Hidden - Lead - 02/Jun/11

Hidden - Lead O/S - 27/May/11

meandering and fun, bit mossy and wet in places
darren hudson - AltLd O/S - 25/May/11 with David Ford

oliverk - AltLd - 21/May/11 with Tim Lukins

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 21/May/11

Climbed to the top of pitch 3 and back down again! Lots of debris from the belay ledge, looked as though a bit of digging is required!
Shaw Brown - Lead - 15/May/11 with Judith Neaves

Hidden - 2nd - 14/May/11

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 02/May/11

tom heaney - Lead - 27/Apr/11

jess - AltLd O/S - 23/Apr/11 with martin

bob johnson - 2nd O/S - 22/Apr/11 with Rich Ball

Hidden - AltLd - 19/Apr/11

Led the first two pitches - up the diagonal and the traverse. Really enjoyed both. Pitch 3 was a bit muddy, pitch 4 was a good slab to finish.
Emma-Louise Anderson - AltLd O/S - 18/Apr/11 with James Lear

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 17/Apr/11

Ellie79 - Lead - 17/Apr/11 with Helen M

55pete55 - 2nd - 14/Apr/11

Nice route. The link pitches are very enjoyable as well as the 4b pitches. Rubble and mud at the top of P3 was pretty bad - care is needed with rope management to avoid showering the bottom of the crag with rocks
jonny taylor - AltLd O/S - 09/Apr/11 with Will C

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 09/Apr/11

Stephen Shaw - AltLd - 27/Mar/11 with Nick

nickcj - AltLd rpt - 27/Mar/11

Led 2nd and 4th pitch.
Smithy Smith - AltLd O/S - 23/Mar/11 with Francis Charlsworth

Hidden - Lead O/S - 23/Mar/11

Hidden - AltLd dnf - 21/Mar/11

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 19/Mar/11

Hidden - 2011

platt2000 - Lead - 2011

Danny Bags - 2011

Hidden - 2011

Hidden - AltLd - 2011

Hidden - 2011

Adi Hooper - AltLd - 10/Oct/10 with Tom M Greenwood

Hidden - AltLd - 09/Oct/10

jwpil - AltLd O/S - 11/Sep/10 with Ben

benscarter - AltLd O/S - 11/Sep/10 with Jack

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 01/Sep/10

martrin - AltLd - 01/Sep/10 with Adam Young

Palindrome - 2nd - Sep/10

P3 felt stiff at VS, stop moaning about the loose hold, I pulled on it hard (on second) and it didn't come off, therefore it's fine!
ablackett - Lead O/S - 31/Aug/10 with Andy Wallace

Lead p2 and p4. Top crack on p3 was very soily as half of the grassy platform (belay ledge) at top of p3 had fallen down. Some climbers passing at the base of the crag earlier in the day, mentioned it looked like there had been a rockfall and major gardening session going on, and now we knew why. Must have been 2 foot wide, 15 long and 5 foot worth depth of ledge consisting of soil and rocks had gone south.
Alaric - AltLd O/S - 04/Aug/10 with Neil

williamsd79 - Lead O/S - 27/Jun/10

Rog Wilko - AltLd - 26/Jun/10 with Debbie Wilkinson

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 19/Jun/10

wheelo - AltLd - 10/Jun/10 with foggy

Led P1, backed off P3 (put off by the aforementioned loose hold) & led P4.
Becky E - AltLd - 31/May/10 with Jenny Brindle

AndyT1151 - 2nd - 24/May/10

Led 2+4 (the easy bits!) Brilliant.
stouffer - AltLd - 23/May/10

mark v - 2nd O/S - 20/May/10 with Mike Norbury

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 16/May/10

sk8world19 - AltLd O/S - 11/May/10 with Tom Oliver

King Kong Climbing Walls - Lead - May/10

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 24/Apr/10

Hidden - AltLd - 24/Apr/10

frume - AltLd O/S - 20/Apr/10 with Ian

Hidden - Lead O/S - 15/Apr/10

The big hold on Pitch 3 is really loose. I used it on lead, but was seriously unhappy about it. Looking through the notes, I'm surprised it's stuck around as long as it has. Regardless this was a fun route. Pitch 3 is the crux, but I thought 2 was the most enjoyable, a fantastic exposed traverse. Pitch 4 was a good yomp up the slab into the sunshine. Lovely.
perfectlynormalbeast - AltLd - 11/Apr/10 with Adam, Goldie

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 02/Apr/10

A bit damp in places, Conan led the waterfall!
Shaw Brown - AltLd - 02/Apr/10 with Steve Wray, Conan

3rd pitch was amazingly wet!
Conan - AltLd rpt - 02/Apr/10 with Steve Wray, Shaw Brown

Felt hard for the grade!
DaveAtkinson - 2nd - Apr/10 with M.Lawton

3 in the group.
chelsea1 - 2nd - 18/Mar/10

darlolad - AltLd rpt - 16/Mar/10

J1PEF - AltLd - 10/Mar/10

Hidden - 2010

Hidden - 2010

Duncan D - 2010

cosmicray - 2010

Hidden - 2010

tmawer - AltLd rpt - 04/Oct/09 with Glynn

Hidden - Lead O/S - 17/Sep/09

Simon led the 1st and 4th pitch, I led 2nd and 3rd. a good climb at this grade
jayme - AltLd O/S - 17/Sep/09 with Simon Raven

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 17/Sep/09

Hidden - AltLd β - 16/Sep/09

Hidden - 25/Jul/09

Climbed with Mick and Ja. Mick led first pitch. I led second pitch of Zig Zag to the big ash then headed left up pitch 3 of Overhanging Bastion. Ja lead final pitch of Bastion up to the right.
moose ridd - AltLd - 19/Jul/09 with M.Sadler

Hidden - AltLd - 19/Jul/09

jason - AltLd rpt - 18/Jul/09 with manmike

Mountain Llama - Lead - 12/Jul/09 with John B

The slanting ledge was a bit awkward. The traverse (hidden below end of the grassy ledge) was airy but well-endowed with small ledges and good flake hand-holds. I used the loose rock as a hold for the hardest move on pitch 3.
johnjb - 2nd O/S - 11/Jul/09 with Dave Brown

simon kimber - Solo O/S - 22/Jun/09

Led P1&4, a lovely route
victim of mathematics - AltLd O/S - 13/Jun/09 with crossdressingrodney

P2,P3
crossdressingrodney - AltLd O/S - 13/Jun/09 with victim of mathematics

Conan - AltLd O/S - 12/Jun/09 with Steve Douglas

I led the ungraded pitches...
Sdouglas - AltLd O/S - 12/Jun/09 with Conan Harrod

Hidden - AltLd rpt - 02/Jun/09

Actually led the slabby ramp to the top, but Stu led the difficult pitches.
Ghastly Rubberfeet - 2nd - Jun/09 with Stuart Halford

Sean Bell - AltLd O/S - 25/May/09 with col

jeffb - AltLd O/S - 25/May/09 with andy c and richard

@ndy - AltLd - 25/May/09 with RCrockford

Loose block still in situ - avoidable with care.
RCrockford - AltLd O/S - 25/May/09 with jeffb, Andy C

Hidden - AltLd - 11/May/09

stuartmunn - AltLd O/S - 25/Apr/09 with Shane

Daniel Sutherland - AltLd O/S - 19/Apr/09 with Chris

GPN - AltLd - 12/Apr/09 with Annette

Led p1, backed off p3 due to it being so dirty, wet and minging. The shame!
net - AltLd - 12/Apr/09 with George

Wet!!
dannymoo99 - AltLd - 08/Apr/09 with Tom Shooter

Spence22 - AltLd O/S - Apr/09 with Jo

ShaneHoubart - AltLd - Apr/09 with Stu

j_turner023 - Apr/09

Hidden - AltLd - 22/Mar/09

nakedave - 17/Mar/09

Hidden - 2009

Seymore Butt - 2009

flatnose - 2009

Peter Metcalfe - AltLd - 28/Sep/08 with Simon Blyth

The Bad Cough - AltLd O/S - 16/Aug/08 with Lee Bonner

Well, the large loose hold is *still* there. Not confidence inspiring, but it has stuck around long enough to be commented on in people's notes for a couple of years now. Mrs W led Pitches 1 and 4.
JiveWeasel - AltLd - 02/Aug/08 with Mrs Weasel

Led pitches 1 and 4. Found a slug halfway up 1.
Mrs Weasel - AltLd - 02/Aug/08 with JiveWeasel

IanJackson - Solo - 14/Jul/08

suess - Lead - 10/Jun/08

Superb varied climb - awkward slabs, flakes, steep cracks, bits of tree. Brilliant third pitch with slightly awkward move onto slab then steep crack climbing to finish. Went down the north gully descent - nasty. Dave led first 3 pitches, I led last one (easy slab climbing).
sjbutterworth - AltLd O/S - 05/Jun/08 with Dave Fletch

Stephen Shaw - AltLd - 26/May/08

Hidden - Lead - 24/May/08

Hidden - Lead - 23/May/08

RichardMc - AltLd - 18/May/08 with Dave Langmead

Neil Pacey - 2nd O/S - 13/May/08 with Tanya Savage

Ken Taylor - Lead - 13/May/08 with Richard Munro

Karl Cookson - 2nd O/S - 13/May/08 with Tanya Savage

absolutely brilliant. Loose block at bottom of lower crack on pitch 3 worrying - just about avoidable as handhold but used it for foot, OK.
Tanya Savage - Lead O/S - 13/May/08 with Neil Pacey

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 03/May/08

lead pitches 3 and 4
tomboyle - AltLd O/S - 03/May/08 with mark boden

TiffTiff - AltLd O/S - 03/May/08

Hidden - Lead - Apr/08

Hidden - 2008

Led 1st and 3rd pitch. John led 2 & 4.
djmystic82 - 2008 with John Pattison

Hidden - 2008

tom.t. - 2008

nickcj - Lead - 2008

Hidden - 2008

Good to get nick climbing again.
Dave Warburton - AltLd O/S - 04/Nov/07 with Nick Warburton

Great first multi-pitch
John84 - AltLd O/S - 26/Oct/07 with Jon Punshon

Led p 3 & 4
cem - AltLd O/S - 20/Oct/07 with Steve Gould

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 18/Oct/07

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 15/Sep/07

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 15/Sep/07

TonyP - AltLd - 04/Sep/07 with Coolio

KevB - AltLd - 04/Sep/07 with Tony P

Hidden - AltLd - 02/Sep/07

VS4b - 2nd dnf - 01/Sep/07

Shaw Brown - AltLd - 19/Jun/07 with cliff brown

freerangecat - 2nd O/S - 09/Jun/07 with Chris

Hidden - Lead - 05/Jun/07

Adam1973 - AltLd O/S - 02/Jun/07 with Ian

Hidden - Jun/07

Led P1, P3. P1 good value for 4b.
Different Steve - AltLd O/S - 27/May/07 with Martin Hore

Hidden - Lead O/S - 05/May/07

Hidden - AltLd rpt - 04/May/07

Hidden - AltLd - 04/May/07

Stephen Shaw - AltLd - 20/Apr/07

Hidden - Lead - 15/Apr/07

Loose jug hold on top of the ramp on pitch 3
Batty - AltLd - 07/Apr/07

Hidden - AltLd rpt - 06/Apr/07

jason - AltLd O/S - 06/Apr/07 with manmike

Hidden - AltLd O/S - Apr/07

Hidden - Lead O/S - Feb/07

swmackey - AltLd - 2007 with simon hills

petegunn - AltLd - 2007

innesmac - 2007

Mike Hargreaves - Lead - 03/Nov/06 with Heather Meek

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 08/Oct/06

Led top pitch in the twilight - went off route leading 2nd pitch, oops, involving much reversing! Quality exposure on the ramp.
kevinknights - AltLd O/S - 23/Sep/06 with matt, scott

I led all but last pitch which Kev led.
Matt Bill Platypus - Lead O/S - 23/Sep/06 with Scott and Kev

bfreeman - AltLd O/S - Sep/06 with Jon Freeman

Nice route, avoiding the loose hold on the steep 3rd pitch made it a bit trickier. Finished in the pouring rain
andybeanland - AltLd O/S - 30/Aug/06 with Dad

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 04/Jul/06

Hidden - AltLd O/S - Jul/06

ginger_lord - 2nd O/S - 11/Jun/06 with Liam Dangerfield

wushu - 2nd O/S - 11/Jun/06

Wonderful climb, although there is a loose rock on the third pitch that if not used would make the route harder.
Sam Judson - Lead O/S - 10/Jun/06 with Caroline Judson

mark4344 - AltLd O/S - 07/Jun/06 with Andy Philipson

Hammy - AltLd - 05/Jun/06 with Joe Gittens

and Phil Steadman Fabulous day and first VS lead where I got the best pitch, 1st, 4b, as well as the last pitch up the lovely slab in great sunshine. Steve lead pitch 2 - traverse across to ramp and Phil lead pitch 3 steep crack to base of slab. Bomber gear all the way and deservedly gets its stars
snowcat - AltLd O/S - 03/Jun/06 with Steve Orrell

joe king - AltLd O/S - Jun/06 with Chris Wynn

Wet, but then it was winter.
Matt crawford - AltLd O/S - Feb/06 with Taba

jim robertson - 2006

ewen - 2006

Justin Tracey - Lead - 2006

Hidden - AltLd - 2006

innesmac - 2006

beaumap - 2nd - 10/Jul/05 with Peter Camp

I led pitches 1,3&5 (the scrambly pitches).
Phil West - AltLd O/S - 09/Jul/05 with GMan

Gman - AltLd O/S - Jul/05 with Phil

petehaz - 2nd - 28/May/05 with Nikki

JiveWeasel - AltLd O/S - 21/May/05 with Flexibility Boy

nakedave - Mar/05

Tom Briggs - Jagged Globe - 2005

Pete Graham - AltLd - 2005 with Rick Graham

Hidden - Lead O/S - 2005

DM backed off after second pitch
Marq - AltLd O/S - 30/Oct/04 with Daniel Dennehy

Hidden - Lead - 30/Aug/04

John Pickles - AltLd O/S - 07/Aug/04 with Zac Poulton

Hidden - AltLd - 07/Aug/04

John Brayshaw - AltLd O/S - 16/May/04 with Chris

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 25/Apr/04

Led all pitches except the last one
Andysomething - Lead - 12/Oct/03 with Peter McGarry

Ann S - Lead O/S - 26/Jul/03 with Bill Harrison

Hidden - AltLd - 23/Jun/03

biggianthead - 30/May/03 with T

Hidden - AltLd - Apr/03

John Kettle - AltLd - 2003

David Ballantyne - AltLd O/S - 2003 with Chris ?

Hidden - 2003

Hidden - Lead - Aug/02

Shaw Brown - AltLd - 07/Jun/02 with simon blythe

MaNimal - AltLd - 12/Aug/00 with Rob Whiteman

Hammy - Lead - 11/May/00 with Richard Munro

Led 1,2&4
Iain Thow - AltLd - 07/Apr/00 with Alex Doherty

clive-greenwood - AltLd O/S - 06/Apr/00 with Stu Williams

jonka - 2000

Hidden - 2000

Stone Muppet - 1999

mikej - AltLd - 02/Aug/97 with Nick Salmon

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 01/Jun/97

Neil Conway - AltLd O/S - 12/Apr/97 with Darren Leigh

Hidden - Lead O/S - 29/Mar/97

Graham Booth - Lead O/S - May/96

Hammy - Lead - 10/Sep/95 with Penny Excel, Sue Fox

Trobbo - AltLd - 23/Aug/95 with john blower

steve prior - AltLd - Aug/95 with Gary

rainy day - very wet on the final slab
EddieA - AltLd - 30/Jul/95 with Simon W

biggianthead - 28/Apr/95 with G

Hidden - AltLd dnf - 1995

Steve Lenartowicz - 1995

Hidden - AltLd - 16/Jul/94

JohnHutch - Lead - Aug/93 with NMR

babymoac - AltLd - 29/May/93 with Pete C

Narked4fun - Lead - 23/Aug/92 with Neil Mason, Colin Binks

Hidden - 2nd - Jul/92

whispering nic - Jun/92

Hidden - Lead - 1992

Rog Wilko - AltLd - Sep/91 with Debbie Wilkinson

lithos - AltLd O/S - 03/Jul/90 with dave stokes

Hidden - Lead O/S - 08/Oct/89

Paul Clarke - 1988

biggianthead - 19/Apr/87 with F

PeteCheung - AltLd - 1986 with Alan

Hammy - Lead - 31/Oct/85 with Pete Smith

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 15/Oct/85

Tim Bateman - 2nd - 13/Oct/85

Billg - AltLd O/S - 23/Jul/85 with Richard Kirk

ewar woowar - Lead - 1983

tapley - Lead - 16/Aug/82 with Dave Kent

Hidden - Lead - 1982

Dave Musgrove - AltLd - 15/Nov/81

Hammy - AltLd - 26/Mar/81 with Fai Kwong

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 09/Mar/80

Hidden - AltLd - 1980

Hidden - Lead O/S - Aug/78

Hidden - Lead - 04/Jun/77

Hidden - 2nd - 09/Jul/76

Falko - AltLd O/S - 17/Jan/76 with Howard Lancashire

Lord of Starkness - Lead - 1975 with M Sheldon

Nigel Bond - AltLd - 30/Jun/73 with Andy Brown

Paula Hamilton-Gibson - Lead - 1973 with Will Walker

Sean Kelly - Lead - Sep/72 with John Warburton

Gordon Stainforth - AltLd - 12/Jul/71 with Tim James

mikej - Lead - 05/Jun/71 with E

Dave Musgrove - AltLd - 14/Sep/69 with Paul Long

RichardMc - Lead - 25/May/69 with Alan Thompson

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VS25 of 34
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hard 4c0 of 33
4c1 of 33
easy 4c7 of 33
hard 4b17 of 33
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