Vember* E1 5b
[Dad chillin on 'The Lawn' above the crux pitch of Vember, 2 kb]The original line using the November crack to start and one of the landmark routes of the Brown-Whillans era on Cloggy. 1) 5a, 25m. As for November. 2) 5b, 30m. Go right up the ramp to gain the chimney crack. This leads to a grassy ledge. 3) 4b, 12m. Climb the wall then easier ground to the Eastern Terrace. © ROCKFAX

Ticklists: Hard Rock, Victim Of Mathematics' Ticklist of Extreme Justice, North Wales Rock Graded List, North Wales 100 Classic Climbs, Alex's Wales ticklist.

Photo: Dad chillin on 'The Lawn' above the crux pitch of Vember © Owain Llewelyn
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PUBLIC LOGBOOKS
This climb is in 165 logbooks, and on 51 wishlists.

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 23/Jul/14

R0bbie - AltLd O/S - 22/Jun/14 with Taba

Led pitches 1 and 2.
Martin Haworth - AltLd O/S - 21/Jun/14 with Andrew Jackson

Only led easy 3rd pitch. First 2 pitches long, hard and incredibly sustained.
planetmarshall - AltLd - 21/Jun/14 with Martin

Cold in the morning. Enjoy it in the evening light.
Ally Baba - AltLd - 21/Jun/14 with Gav Swinton

Hidden - Lead - 20/Jun/14

Surely **. Pitch 3 is solid HVS 5a.
Ian Jones - AltLd rpt - 13/Jun/14 with Tim Clarke

mike mo - 2014

mike mo - 2014

mike mo - 2014

mike mo - 2014

mike mo - 2014

mike mo - 2014

mike mo - 2014

mike mo - 2014

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 27/Jul/13

pie_eater_pete - AltLd O/S - 22/Jul/13 with bwestwood

Bone dry, 2nd pitch was fantastic-jamming, bridging and laybacking all there, loads of gear.
bwestwood - AltLd - 22/Jul/13

Hidden - AltLd - 22/Jul/13

Caught the last dry day of Cloggy exposure! Lead the chimney pitch (2)
cbeard - AltLd O/S - 22/Jul/13 with Jonny Hawkins

drysori - AltLd O/S - 20/Jul/13 with brannock

Led 1st and third pitches, very good.
Brannock - 20/Jul/13

Pete Rigby - AltLd O/S - 20/Jul/13 with Chasqui Patter, Kelli Roberts

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 20/Jul/13

kelliroberts3 - AltLd O/S - 20/Jul/13 with Chasqui Patter, Peter Rigby

led the last pitch of November to finish
Chazwoz - AltLd O/S - 20/Jul/13 with Kelli, Peter Rigby

Running_Board - AltLd O/S - 18/Jul/13

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 17/Jul/13

Led big pitch
The_Boy_ODwyer - AltLd O/S - 17/Jul/13 with Colin Harvey

Dan Mckinlay - Lead O/S - 15/Jul/13

did the top pitch only
Helen Gibson - 2nd - 13/Jul/13 with Ollie B

P2
wi11 - AltLd O/S - 11/Jul/13 with Brian

A reasonable route, not as good as some of the others on the crag. The 1st pitch was still a little wet. The 2nd was dry but pretty tough for E1. Great bridging and jamming. Nice
James Oswald - AltLd O/S - 11/Jul/13 with Mark Reeves

newtonmore - Jul/13

Led P2, really good climbing worth more than the 1 star it gets in the guide! Harder climbing than the troach but better protected.
Duncan Campbell - AltLd O/S - 09/Jun/13 with Ollie B

Led pitch 1 - intimidating but thankfully dry. Followed pitch 2 - very difficult to "finesse", even on a top rope: hard.
Pete_Frost - AltLd O/S - 09/Jun/13 with Kin Choi

A good route, can't quite decide whether it's 2 or 3 stars but certainly worth more than just the one give in the guide. I led P1, which was very traditional. A BD cam 4 or similar is handy though probably not essential as I think there is a placement for a cam 3 just above (can't vouch for that though as didn't use it). The crack was wet and slimy deep inside but on the whole it was perfectly climbable. Phil did P2, which was even more traditional and pretty tricky and sustained, though with some good rests and not that physical if you do it right.
Misha - AltLd O/S - 09/Jun/13 with Phil

John Nuttall - 2nd - 09/Jun/13 with Andy H

Pete led P1+P3. Still a little damp inside the crack after a week of Indian summer. Bone dry on the face. Superb fiction. P2 was well dry and well sustained 5b here and there. Looking down from mid pitch on P2, it was like climbing a big wall route. Immense exposure. Awesome. Very testing for E1. There are easier E1s out there. Good value for money though.
Skinny Kin - AltLd O/S - 09/Jun/13 with Pete Frost

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 08/Jun/13

Lead P1. A little damp in the back but not that bad. Felt blodish with standard rack. 2nd Pitch was awesome, sustained but not too hard. Did the 3rd pitch of November for a bit more interest which was good.
Olli-C - AltLd O/S - 08/Jun/13 with Rachel Slater

Lead pitch 2.
Rachel Slater - AltLd O/S - 08/Jun/13 with Olli Crudge

Led P1 and P3 of November by mistake.
Kirill - AltLd O/S - 08/Jun/13 with Mike Stephenson

Hidden - 2nd - 08/Jun/13

Ollie B - AltLd O/S - 08/Jun/13 with D.Campbell

As dry as its likely to be and didn't effect the climbing. Beautiful 3 point palming off all the way up the 1st pitch. 2nd pitch pretty gnarly in a very traditional way - you won't learn how to do this down the wall!
philhilo - AltLd O/S - 08/Jun/13 with misha

Led the 2nd pitch.
Chi Cheng - AltLd O/S - 08/Jun/13 with Bart Harris

The Grist - AltLd O/S - 07/Jun/13 with Sam Simpson

Sam Simpson - AltLd O/S - 07/Jun/13 with Mark Grist

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 07/Jun/13

Hidden - Apr/13

Nick Biven - 2013

jcw - 2013

Just top 2 pitches
Dave Rumney - AltLd - 27/May/12 with Tanya Milner

wild top pitch. Must be in my top 10 climbs, both pitches great.
manwithacam - AltLd - 26/May/12 with Mike R

An absolute classic
PaulTanton - Lead rpt - 26/May/12 with Anita Grey

dan ely - AltLd O/S - 24/May/12 with tony (army)

Liam FLeming - 28/Mar/12

Captain Gear - 2012

James Mann - 2012

JonG - 2012

Hidden - 2012

Stone Idol - 2012

EagerAndy - Lead O/S - 2012

Led 2nd pitch
tom.n.walker - AltLd O/S - 04/Jun/11

Led 2nd pitch. Very sustained, but great. We took a 4 and 5 cam for first pitch but didn't need them. Standard rack and largish hex was fine.
HIGHTOWER - AltLd O/S - 04/May/11 with Lee Wales

Hidden - AltLd - 04/May/11

Hidden - 2011

Hidden - 2011

Hidden - 2011

PAJames - 2011

Hidden - 2011

Hidden - 2011

Owain Llewelyn - Lead - 03/Sep/10 with Dad

slipped of the first pitch once cause of the wet. very sustained and good climb.. defo 3 stars
adam06 - 2nd - 19/Jun/10 with Ryan

spidey - Lead - 19/Jun/10 with adam

Two or Three stars surely? First pitch was wet and bold, second steep, well protected and quite tricky in places, but all up a lot of fun....
Chad123 - AltLd O/S - 05/Jun/10 with Sam

sgl - AltLd - 05/Jun/10 with chad

Hidden - Lead O/S - 04/Jun/10

drain pipe crack was dry. Straight forward E1 with the 5a pitch being bold if you don't have large cams, i took a 5 and 4 and got both in straight away. Crux pitch is straight forward.
centurion05 - Lead O/S - 27/May/10 with dave g

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 25/May/10

Led a wet drainpipe crack. nice climbing. Ad led crux pitch.
Ed Booth - AltLd O/S - 17/Apr/10

Adam Booth - AltLd O/S - 17/Apr/10 with Ed Booth

I lead crux pitch.ed insisted on dogging and aiding the first pitch, apparantly the crack was moist. To the embarrasment of all at the crag.
Ewan Russell - AltLd O/S - 16/Apr/10 with ed-v12

Hidden - 2010

James Mann - 2010

Paul Clarke - AltLd - 2010 with Keith Morgan

beci tointen - Lead O/S - Jul/09 with my uncle carl

thompson1000 - 02/Jun/09 with Olly

Dripping wet so backed off the first pitch :(
Glyn Davidson - Lead dnf - 31/May/09 with Mike Doyle

Seymore Butt - 2009

the juicy dangler - AltLd - 10/Jun/08 with sophie wilmes

Hidden - Lead O/S - 09/Jun/08

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 08/Jun/08

led pitch 2
davidgent - AltLd O/S - Jun/08 with Gareth Hewes

jamesturnbull - Lead - Jun/08 with aiden

Nicos - Lead O/S - 31/May/08 with frazer

pissed rain on the top pitch
dave o - Lead O/S - 11/May/08 with Julia H

Hidden - 2nd - 09/May/08

Peetzy - Lead O/S - 09/May/08

Matt Vigg - 2008

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 2008

P1 wet and slimy ... yum!
Justin T - Lead O/S - 13/Sep/07 with Wifey

Hidden - 2nd dog - 13/Sep/07

Hidden - AltLd rpt - 11/Aug/07

Rich Mayfield - AltLd - 10/Aug/07 with Mark Stevenson

Ched - AltLd O/S - 05/May/07 with Gethin

Hidden - AltLd - 21/Apr/07

Hidden - 2nd - 2007

shoulders - AltLd O/S - 19/Jul/06 with chrisevans

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 15/Jul/06

Cowflinger - Lead O/S - Jul/06 with John Williams

Hidden - AltLd - 17/Jun/06

reg_measures - 2nd O/S - 10/Jun/06 with Ralph, Timmy

dan gibson - AltLd O/S - 09/Jun/06 with john nuttal

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 04/Jun/06

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 04/Jun/06

DavidR - Lead dnf - 06/May/06 with John Marston

mike lawrence? - 2006

Dave Rumney - 2006

Hamish Leslie - Lead O/S - 2004 with Martin Barclay

WB - AltLd O/S - 2000 with Paul

D Tempest - AltLd O/S - 2000 with Chris, Rick

mikej - AltLd - 31/Jul/99 with Nick Salmon

zero six - AltLd O/S - 1998

Hidden - AltLd - 1998

phardman - 20/Jul/97

rob.grafton - Lead - 1997 with tony howard, Matthew Bransby, Simon Wood

Hidden - AltLd - Jul/96

jfletcher - AltLd O/S - 17/May/92 with Jonathon Jones, David Gilkes

Hidden - Lead - Sep/91

Climbed in drizzle, a bit challenging doing a very wet drainpipe crack.
Paula Hamilton-Gibson - AltLd O/S - Jun/91 with George reah

Nigel Coe - AltLd - 1991 with Scott Titt

MikeYouCanClimb - 1991 with Graham Evans

AndrewP - AltLd - 19/Jul/90

Guy - 1990

Hidden - 1990

Hidden - Lead - 12/Jun/88

led 2nd pitch
michael burrows - AltLd O/S - 05/Jun/88 with ket

Hidden - AltLd - 22/May/88

William Robertson - Lead O/S - 1986 with Emily, Steve, Shaun etc

Melok - 1985

PaulTanton - AltLd O/S - Jul/84 with Gwyn Ingman

Fell off seconding the Drainpipe Crack- no gear, as we didn't have cams.
Pete Nugent - 2nd - 27/Apr/84 with Simon Harry

Led second pitch.
charlesmfrench - AltLd O/S - 14/Aug/83 with Nick

Mark Kemball - AltLd - 14/Jul/83 with Dave Abbey

andybirtwistle - AltLd - 03/Aug/82 with Ian Kyle

Hidden - AltLd - 05/Jun/82

Nigel Bond - AltLd - 24/Apr/82 with Charlie Leverton

Pedro50 - Lead O/S - 12/Aug/81 with Steve White

Nic Robinson - Lead O/S - 24/May/80 with John Tout

Cant be sure but I think I led Pitch 2
David Smith - AltLd - 19/May/80 with john stanger, Al Bennett

Chris Craggs - Lead - 1980

Nic Robinson - AltLd O/S - 1980 with John Tout

Hidden - 1980

granitbahn - AltLd - 1978

GeoffG - AltLd - 19/Sep/77 with tony bowker

GeoffG - AltLd - Sep/77

Ian Jones - AltLd O/S - 1977 with Dave Greenald

Dave Musgrove - AltLd - 21/Aug/76 with Jim Worthington

mikej - AltLd - 10/Aug/76 with Mike Byles

Mike Owen - 11/Jul/76 with Pete White

petemeads - Lead - 1976

sharpie - AltLd O/S - Jun/75 with Phill Thomas

pneame - 2nd - 1975

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5b36 of 41
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