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[Dave on the second traverse, The Brothers, Tremadoc., 3 kb]A worthy alternative to Meshach and Shadrach. Start as for Shadrach. 1) 4b, 30m. Move right to a crack and climb this. At its top step down and then go up right to a ledge belay. 2) 4c, 28m. Move left past an overhang to eventually reach the Shadrach flake (possible belay - 4b). Finish up Shadrach. 2a) Direct Finish, HVS 5a, 25m. Climb direct from the flake past a small overlap to the top. © ROCKFAX

Ticklists: Craig Bwlch y Moch Starred VS Challenge.

Photo: Dave on the second traverse, The Brothers, Tremadoc. © allysingo
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This climb is in 246 logbooks, and on 12 wishlists.

Steveb27 - Lead O/S - 14/Jul/14

Second or third time I have done this, still never get tired of it. It's a great climb with some thinking moments on it. Good gear throughout.
scott mayled - AltLd O/S - 09/Jul/14 with ashsleight

A great route. I got the top pitch which took a bit of thinking about at times. Gear was solid throughout.
ashsleight - AltLd O/S - 09/Jul/14 with Scotty

Hidden - AltLd - 28/Jun/14

KMM
Marq - AltLd rpt - 28/Jun/14 with Kev

Lyndsay Superclimber - AltLd O/S - 28/Jun/14 with Ryan

ScottyD - 2nd O/S - 28/Jun/14

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 03/Jun/14

Great weather enjoyed the route liked the short traverse on pitch 2
Joshthomas - AltLd O/S - 18/May/14

Hidden - Lead - 14/May/14

FlavioL1989 - AltLd O/S - 05/May/14 with Rob Edwards

Led P2.
cdpuk - AltLd O/S - 04/May/14 with Andy, Julian Bridle

oodie72 - AltLd O/S - 04/May/14 with Fraser Campbell

thelightside - 2nd - 04/May/14

JulianB - AltLd - 04/May/14 with Andrew Gilmartin, Chris Peka

John Nuttall - Lead - Apr/14 with Sharon

ema - AltLd - 2014

Neil - Lead O/S - 2014

Lead P1, Shaun lead P2. Backstroke worked well
franhammond92 - AltLd - 13/Oct/13

led P2
shaunhumphreys - AltLd O/S - 13/Oct/13 with franhammond92

bit brutal to take beth on it as her first outdoor route. slightly tough layback crack. good route though.
benkelsey - Lead O/S - 12/Oct/13 with Dawn, HPC

freshers weekend
Dawn_K_B - 2nd - 12/Oct/13 with Ben Kelsey

freemanTom (Guildford MC) - Lead - 06/Oct/13 with Claire Williams

second pitch led
Lucylou19 - AltLd - 05/Oct/13

Led P1 and 3. "Interesting" slab climbing when wet, this would be very pleasant climbing in the dry. The belay at the end of P1 is much further right than you think - in a little trench behind a big flake/spike - very cozy. The "step down" to reach the slab on the way to that belay is more of a "step across".
Pete_Frost - AltLd O/S - 05/Oct/13 with Lucy Sutton

Stopsy - AltLd O/S - 01/Oct/13 with Will Hardy

wi11 - AltLd O/S - 01/Oct/13 with James Stops

Hidden - AltLd - Sep/13

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 28/Aug/13

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 28/Aug/13

ema - 2nd - 07/Aug/13

Led first pitch
demarcation86 - AltLd O/S - 05/Jul/13 with Paul

Alex Riley - AltLd O/S - 04/Jun/13 with JP, Sam P

alicee - 2nd O/S - 02/Jun/13 with oliver mentz

Dan P1, me P2.
treg - AltLd O/S - 26/May/13 with Dan Osbaldeston

p1
DanOsb - AltLd O/S - 26/May/13 with matt treg

Hidden - 19/May/13

P1 & P3 - John, P2 - Me.
tsjx - AltLd - 05/May/13 with John Mc

Hidden - AltLd - 05/May/13

Led 1st and 3rd. Great climb. Hanging slab on first pitch was really nice.
Double Knee Bar - AltLd O/S - 04/May/13 with TomBond

Took 2nd pitch over the roof great route!
gingerwolf - AltLd O/S - 04/May/13 with Glenn

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 27/Apr/13

tim newton - Solo O/S - 04/Apr/13

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 30/Mar/13

. Into meshach.
jezb1 - Lead - 25/Mar/13

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 11/Mar/13

Nick Biven - 2013

Hidden - Lead O/S - 05/Nov/12

hels bels - AltLd dog - 04/Oct/12

Bold 1st pitch, 2nd pitch traverse is 4c. Felt quite bold throughout.
Zoomer - Lead O/S - 14/Aug/12 with A Student

Backed off pt 1, 4b , no protection in the crack (unless you have a huge cam). Steve lead through knee jamming / mauling up the crack, Great effort and bold. With top rope I laid back and walked up no sweat but on lead it's a solo. Pt 2 again 4b by Steve, thin traverse and difficult pull up onto ledge to belay at flake. I lead pt 3, going at 4c this was supposed to be hardest pitch, stepping off the flake took some working out but in my book the easiest pitch and best protected by far. Who is grading these routes!!
Simon Cahill - AltLd O/S - 22/Jul/12 with Steve

runestone - AltLd - 22/Jul/12 with Simon

svdie - Jul/12

Ray Sparks - 2nd - 01/Jun/12 with mike L

Jim Walton - AltLd O/S - 13/May/12 with Sam Harris

SamuelHarris - AltLd O/S - 13/May/12 with Jim Walton

I led p1. Nice, though the off-width at the start was a bit disconcerting.
Binder - AltLd O/S - 06/May/12 with Adam H

antonymcphillips - Lead - May/12

Hidden - Lead - 15/Apr/12

Jay-Ast - Lead O/S - 14/Apr/12 with Philip Ralfs

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 14/Apr/12

SamStokes - AltLd O/S - 12/Apr/12

Didn't feel particularly high in the grade.
victim of mathematics - Lead O/S - 31/Mar/12 with Jaime

Ian Hinkins - 21/Mar/12

Callum Anderson - 2012

Hidden - 2012

Hidden - 2012

Hidden - 2012

Hidden - 2012

dan-8990 - AltLd rpt - 04/Oct/11 with PR, NM

Rampikino - Lead - 25/Sep/11 with Cat

Hidden - 2nd - 02/Sep/11

Wet in places. Did via the first pitch of Oblatron
harold walmsley - 2nd O/S - 14/Aug/11 with George Gilmore

Hidden - AltLd O/S - Aug/11

Bit underwhelmed and still don't like that big perched block.
Ann S - 2nd - 25/Jul/11 with Adam

Adam1973 - Lead O/S - 25/Jul/11 with Ann S

pretty fun. top picth is good.
al123 - Lead O/S - 15/Jul/11

Lead first pitch, Lindy second and Mike third.
Donald Kelly - AltLd O/S - 11/Jul/11

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 10/Jul/11

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 10/Jul/11

Tom Hecht - 2nd O/S - 29/Jun/11

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 26/Jun/11

donkster - AltLd O/S - 26/Jun/11 with crooko, DaveNW

Hidden - Lead O/S - 10/Jun/11

Nice last pitch same as Shadrach
hedgehog77 - AltLd O/S - 09/Jun/11

Leo Woodhead - AltLd O/S - Jun/11 with Ian W

Hidden - AltLd - 31/May/11

Lead 1st pitch, backed off due to confusion over the top of 1st pitch, then seconded whole route.
abbotsmike - AltLd O/S - 27/May/11 with Keith peck

Hidden - 2nd - 25/Apr/11

alias dave - 2nd O/S - 22/Apr/11 with Sam.EB

gingergeorge - Lead - 20/Apr/11 with rcp

Hidden - Lead rpt - 19/Apr/11

Johnywilks - Lead O/S - 12/Apr/11

john spence - 2nd - Apr/11

Tom Livingstone - AltLd O/S - Feb/11

Polished laybacking at start, but decent route on the whole.
Mike Goldthorp - Solo O/S - 30/Jan/11

popov86 - AltLd - 20/Jan/11

Hidden - 2011

bsmedz - 2011

alasdair19 - 2011

mwatson - 2011

Hidden - 2011

PaulHarris - AltLd - 24/Oct/10

I did 1st pitch, Mart the 2nd pitch. Tough climb - or a good value VS depending upon your view.
JasonV - AltLd O/S - 25/Sep/10 with Mart

Hidden - 2nd - 25/Sep/10

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 29/Aug/10

Killianmurphy - 2nd - 12/Jun/10

net - 2nd - 06/Jun/10 with George

Hidden - Jun/10

davidwright - Lead O/S - 30/May/10 with Sam

Hidden - 2nd - 30/May/10

Garron - 23/May/10

Richard G Wilkinson - AltLd O/S - 23/May/10 with Dimitris Perdikou

dimwit18 - AltLd O/S - 23/May/10 with Richard G Wilkinson

willson - Lead - 09/May/10 with Ali H

dan-8990 - AltLd O/S - 08/Mar/10 with PB

Hidden - AltLd - 07/Mar/10

beeson_paul - AltLd - 06/Mar/10

Hidden - 2010

simeclimb68 - 2010

Hidden - Lead O/S - 2010

DuckingFesperate - 2010

barney_edin - 2nd - 09/Nov/09

I took pitch one, with jelaby leading through with the E1 variation. Brilliant. although i managed to avoid the offwidth with delicate moves, brilliant route my first VS multipitch and VS for 90 ft
coffeepot - Lead O/S - 04/Oct/09 with jelaby

rob1 - AltLd - 08/Sep/09 with andrew clark

Pitch 1 a bit of a knee-wrecker...
Different Steve - Lead O/S - 28/Aug/09 with Clare

Led all pitches.
Ken Applegate - Lead - 27/Aug/09 with Hannah Evans

crag_monster - AltLd - Aug/09

simon_williams6 - 2nd β - 29/Jul/09

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 20/Jul/09

Led top pitch
LozM - AltLd - 05/Jul/09 with Mark L

Really really hot and muggy. Didn't like the offwidthy crack (layback).
groovy_nut - 2nd O/S - 29/Jun/09 with Dave W

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 03/May/09

Hidden - AltLd - 02/May/09

catblack - Lead O/S - 19/Apr/09

P1 only as we moved on to the direct finish
cem - 2nd rpt - 24/Jan/09 with Graham Dolman

MarkFoster - 2009

Seymore Butt - 2009

simonw1 - AltLd - 30/Dec/08 with Allan Watson

Keith Jones - 2nd - 01/Nov/08 with David

Hidden - Lead O/S - 26/Apr/08

John Postlethwaite - AltLd O/S - Apr/08 with liam

ritchierich - AltLd rpt - 18/Feb/08 with Steve Joynson

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 18/Feb/08

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 2008

daveagriff - Lead - 2008

Sean Kelly - 2008

alexharv3y - AltLd O/S - 03/Nov/07

sgl0jd - AltLd - 17/Oct/07 with Andy Dale

Led P1.
Andy Clarke - AltLd O/S - 08/Sep/07 with Rob

Jack Symmons - Lead - 20/Aug/07 with Tom S

K Wall - AltLd - 23/Jun/07 with Martin

peter myers - Jun/07 with Sophie Evitt

Chesh - Lead - 12/May/07 with Diamond Dave

Hidden - Lead O/S - 06/May/07

Mike Parker - AltLd O/S - 06/May/07 with Dan Parker

Hidden - AltLd - Apr/07

ebunick - AltLd O/S - 02/Mar/07 with Alan

Hidden - AltLd - 2007

shaky start, good and confidant at end despite tricky moves
taw - Lead - 2007 with Dave sb

davesb - 2nd - 2007 with Tom Wilson

My Gravity - AltLd O/S - 13/Sep/06 with Patrick H

Owain Llewelyn - Lead - 08/Sep/06 with Dad

Hidden - Lead - 20/Aug/06

Hidden - AltLd - 13/Aug/06

mikelaing - Lead O/S - Aug/06 with Carolyn

cas54321 - 2nd - Aug/06 with Mike

Dan 85 - AltLd O/S - 08/Jun/06 with Rob G

Hidden - 2006

Hidden - 2006

Hidden - 2006

Sandy P - AltLd - Aug/05 with Guy Couper-Marsh

Both pitches lead by me.
ritchierich - Lead O/S - 23/Jun/05 with Ritchie Griffiths

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 01/May/05

clive-greenwood - Lead O/S - 26/Mar/05 with Elsa

climbtim - 2005

Hidden - Lead - 2005

Hidden - AltLd - 18/Sep/04

John Pickles - AltLd O/S - 06/Jun/04 with Naomi Fisher

I led the 2nd pitch. Steve led the committing and bold HVS 5a "Independent Finish".
Siderunner - AltLd O/S - 03/May/04 with Steve M

SteveM - AltLd - 03/May/04 with AS

Hidden - Lead - Apr/04

paul m hadley - Lead - 2004

malc - AltLd - 23/Mar/03 with Paul S

IanD353 - Lead O/S - Mar/03 with Ailsa

akhughes - AltLd - Jan/02 with Steptoe

chrishedgehog - Lead O/S - 18/Apr/01 with Clare Wilkie

ZA - AltLd - Jun/00 with dad

zero six - Lead O/S - 2000

Hidden - Lead - 2000

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 1999

Hidden - AltLd - 31/May/98

Hidden - Lead O/S - Jun/95

nai - AltLd - 1995

belay bunny turned bad - 1995

rob.grafton - Lead - 1995 with Ben, Bruce

Budge - AltLd O/S - 1994 with Rod Gritten

3 Names - Lead - Jul/93

Hidden - AltLd - 18/May/93

RichardMc - AltLd - 23/Aug/92 with Dave Cooper

Hidden - AltLd - 29/Feb/92

Hidden - AltLd - 03/Jul/91

Bob - 1990

Hidden - 1990

Iain Thow - Lead - 03/Jun/89 with Paul Whatley

tlr - AltLd - 30/May/89 with Nick

BigHairyIan - Lead O/S - 23/Oct/88 with Chris Lane

Hidden - AltLd - 17/Oct/88

Hidden - 2nd O/S - May/88

ewar woowar - 1987

michael burrows - AltLd O/S - 04/May/86 with jim kite

Hidden - 2nd - 1986

Hidden - Lead O/S - 1985

andy gittins - 1985

Melok - AltLd - 1985

jasper11 - 1984

Paula Hamilton-Gibson - Lead - Jun/83 with Phillippa Mathews

Hidden - 2nd - May/82

leland stamper - Lead O/S - 07/Apr/82 with Mark V

nigehughes - AltLd - Apr/82 with Eric Joyce

GordonHart - Lead O/S - 1982

andy gittins - 1982

Andy Fielding - AltLd - 15/Sep/81 with Mike Gilbert

Falko - Lead O/S - 01/Apr/81 with A N Other

Mark Kemball - Lead - 10/Feb/80 with Sarah Bridge

Ian Clare - 1980

Ghastly Rubberfeet - Solo - 1980

Done but just recorded the tick - probably more than once!
jmr - AltLd - 1980

rogerskews - 1980

Hidden - Lead O/S - 11/Apr/79

steve L - 1979

Hidden - Lead - 29/Oct/78

RichardMc - AltLd - 23/Oct/77 with Daphne Pritchard

Hidden - Lead - Jun/76

pneame - May/75

Bolt Phobia - Lead - 16/Jan/75

petemeads - Lead - 1975

Gordon Stainforth - AltLd - 11/May/74 with Dennis Whitely

Hidden - Jan/74

Andy Say - Lead - 1972

mikej - Lead - 21/Mar/71 with Stewart Grant, E

tapley - AltLd O/S - 29/Apr/70

Dave Musgrove - AltLd - 02/Mar/69 with Bob Knapton

mikej - Lead - 11/Mar/67 with Bob Howarth

eroica64 - 2nd - Aug/65 with Keith Pritchard

David Smith - 1963

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hard HVS0 of 33
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easy HVS1 of 33
hard VS16 of 33
VS15 of 33
easy VS1 of 33
hard HS0 of 33
HS0 of 33
easy HS0 of 33
hard 5a0 of 34
5a0 of 34
easy 5a1 of 34
hard 4c10 of 34
4c23 of 34
easy 4c0 of 34
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Style of ascent

Soloed3 of 246 (1.2%)
Lead64 of 246 (26.0%)
Followed29 of 246 (11.8%)
Alt Leads110 of 246 (44.7%)
Unknown40 of 246 (16.3%)

'Climbed'137 of 246 (55.7%)
clean O/S102 of 246 (41.5%)
clean β1 of 246 (0.4%)
clean rpt5 of 246 (2.0%)
dogged1 of 246 (0.4%)