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The Brothers* VS 4c

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[Paul on the first traverse, The Brothers,Vs 4c Tremadoc, 3 kb]A worthy alternative to Meshach and Shadrach. Start as for Shadrach. 1) 4b, 30m. Move right to a crack and climb this. At its top step down and then go up right to a ledge belay. 2) 4c, 28m. Move left past an overhang to eventually reach the Shadrach flake (possible belay - 4b). Finish up Shadrach. 2a) Direct Finish, HVS 5a, 25m. Climb direct from the flake past a small overlap to the top. © ROCKFAX

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PUBLIC LOGBOOKS
This climb is in 200 logbooks, and on 11 wishlists.

Hidden - 19/May/13

P1 & P3 - John, P2 - Me.
tsjx - AltLd - 05/May/13 with John Mc

Hidden - AltLd - 05/May/13

Led 1st and 3rd. Great climb. Hanging slab on first pitch was really nice.
Double Knee Bar - AltLd O/S - 04/May/13 with TomBond

Took 2nd pitch over the roof great route!
gingerwolf - AltLd O/S - 04/May/13 with Glenn

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 27/Apr/13

tim newton - Solo O/S - 04/Apr/13

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 30/Mar/13

. Into meshach.
jezb1 - Lead - 25/Mar/13

Tom Thorne - AltLd O/S - 11/Mar/13 with Will Oats

Hidden - 2013

Hidden - Lead O/S - 05/Nov/12

hels bels - AltLd dog - 04/Oct/12

Bold 1st pitch, 2nd pitch traverse is 4c. Felt quite bold throughout.
Zoomer - Lead O/S - 14/Aug/12 with A Student

Backed off pt 1, 4b , no protection in the crack (unless you have a huge cam). Steve lead through knee jamming / mauling up the crack, Great effort and bold. With top rope I laid back and walked up no sweat but on lead it's a solo. Pt 2 again 4b by Steve, thin traverse and difficult pull up onto ledge to belay at flake. I lead pt 3, going at 4c this was supposed to be hardest pitch, stepping off the flake took some working out but in my book the easiest pitch and best protected by far. Who is grading these routes!!
Simon Cahill - AltLd O/S - 22/Jul/12 with Steve

runestone - AltLd - 22/Jul/12 with Simon

svdie - Jul/12

Ray Sparks - 2nd - 01/Jun/12

Jim Walton - AltLd O/S - 13/May/12 with Sam Harris

SamuelHarris - AltLd O/S - 13/May/12 with Jim Walton

I led p1. Nice, though the off-width at the start was a bit disconcerting.
GBM - AltLd O/S - 06/May/12 with Adam H

mcphillipsa391 - Lead - May/12

Hidden - Lead - 15/Apr/12

Jay-Ast - Lead O/S - 14/Apr/12 with Philip Ralfs

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 14/Apr/12

SamStokes - AltLd O/S - 12/Apr/12

Didn't feel particularly high in the grade.
victim of mathematics - Lead O/S - 31/Mar/12 with Jaime

Ian Hinkins - 21/Mar/12

Callum Anderson - 2012

Hidden - 2012

Hidden - 2012

Hidden - 2012

Hidden - 2012

dan-8990 - AltLd rpt - 04/Oct/11 with PR, NM

Rampikino - Lead - 25/Sep/11 with Cat

Hidden - 2nd - 02/Sep/11

Wet in places. Did via the first pitch of Oblatron
harold walmsley - 2nd O/S - 14/Aug/11 with George Gilmore

Hidden - AltLd O/S - Aug/11

Bit underwhelmed and still don't like that big perched block.
Ann S - 2nd - 25/Jul/11 with Adam

Adam1973 - Lead O/S - 25/Jul/11 with Ann S

pretty fun. top picth is good.
al123 - Lead O/S - 15/Jul/11

Lead first pitch, Lindy second and Mike third.
Donald Kelly - AltLd O/S - 11/Jul/11

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 10/Jul/11

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 10/Jul/11

Tom Hecht - 2nd O/S - 29/Jun/11

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 26/Jun/11

donkster - AltLd O/S - 26/Jun/11 with crooko, DaveNW

Hidden - Lead O/S - 10/Jun/11

Nice last pitch same as Shadrach
hedgehog77 - AltLd O/S - 09/Jun/11

leroybrown - AltLd O/S - Jun/11 with Ian W

Hidden - AltLd - 31/May/11

Lead 1st pitch, backed off due to confusion over the top of 1st pitch, then seconded whole route.
abbotsmike - AltLd O/S - 27/May/11 with Keith peck

Hidden - 2nd - 25/Apr/11

alias dave - 2nd O/S - 22/Apr/11 with Sam.EB

gingergeorge - Lead - 20/Apr/11 with rcp

Hidden - Lead rpt - 19/Apr/11

Johnywilks - Lead O/S - 12/Apr/11

john spence - 2nd - Apr/11

Tom Livingstone - AltLd O/S - Feb/11

Polished laybacking at start, but decent route on the whole.
Mike Goldthorp - Solo O/S - 30/Jan/11

popov86 - AltLd - 20/Jan/11

Hidden - 2011

bsmedz - 2011

alasdair19 - 2011

mwatson - 2011

Hidden - 2011

PaulHarris - AltLd - 24/Oct/10

I did 1st pitch, Mart the 2nd pitch. Tough climb - or a good value VS depending upon your view.
JasonV - AltLd O/S - 25/Sep/10 with Mart

Hidden - 2nd - 25/Sep/10

iceaxejuggler - AltLd O/S - 29/Aug/10 with Peter

Killianmurphy - 2nd - 12/Jun/10

Hidden - 2nd - 06/Jun/10

Hidden - Jun/10

davidwright - Lead O/S - 30/May/10 with Sam

Hidden - 2nd - 30/May/10

Garron - 23/May/10

Richard G Wilkinson - AltLd O/S - 23/May/10 with Dimitris Perdikou

dimwit18 - AltLd O/S - 23/May/10 with Richard G Wilkinson

willson - Lead - 09/May/10 with Ali H

dan-8990 - AltLd O/S - 08/Mar/10 with PB

Hidden - AltLd - 07/Mar/10

beeson_paul - AltLd - 06/Mar/10

Hidden - 2010

simeclimb68 - 2010

Hidden - Lead O/S - 2010

DuckingFesperate - 2010

barney_edin - 2nd - 09/Nov/09

Hidden - Lead O/S - 04/Oct/09

rob1 - AltLd - 08/Sep/09 with andrew clark

Pitch 1 a bit of a knee-wrecker...
Different Steve - Lead O/S - 28/Aug/09 with Clare

Led all pitches.
Ken Applegate - Lead - 27/Aug/09 with Hannah Evans

crag_monster - AltLd - Aug/09

simon_williams6 - 2nd β - 29/Jul/09

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 20/Jul/09

Led top pitch
LozM - AltLd - 05/Jul/09 with Mark L

Really really hot and muggy. Didn't like the offwidthy crack (layback).
groovy_nut - 2nd O/S - 29/Jun/09 with Dave W

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 03/May/09

Hidden - AltLd - 02/May/09

catblack - Lead O/S - 19/Apr/09

P1 only as we moved on to the direct finish
cem - 2nd rpt - 24/Jan/09 with Graham Dolman

MarkFoster - 2009

Seymore Butt - 2009

simonw1 - AltLd - 30/Dec/08 with Allan Watson

Keith Jones - 2nd - 01/Nov/08 with David

loundsy - Lead O/S - 26/Apr/08 with bex

John Postlethwaite - AltLd O/S - Apr/08 with liam

ritchierich - AltLd rpt - 18/Feb/08 with Steve Joynson

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 18/Feb/08

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 2008

daveagriff - Lead - 2008

Sean Kelly - 2008

alexharv3y - AltLd O/S - 03/Nov/07

sgl0jd - AltLd - 17/Oct/07 with Andy Dale

Led P1.
Andy Clarke - AltLd O/S - 08/Sep/07 with Rob

Jack Symmons - Lead - 20/Aug/07 with Tom S

K Wall - AltLd - 23/Jun/07 with Martin

peter myers - Jun/07 with Sophie Evitt

Chesh - Lead - 12/May/07 with Diamond Dave

Hidden - Lead O/S - 06/May/07

Mike Parker - AltLd O/S - 06/May/07 with Dan Parker

Hidden - AltLd - Apr/07

ebunick - AltLd O/S - 02/Mar/07 with Alan

Hidden - AltLd - 2007

shaky start, good and confidant at end despite tricky moves
taw - Lead - 2007 with Dave sb

davesb - 2nd - 2007 with Tom Wilson

My Gravity - AltLd O/S - 13/Sep/06 with Patrick H

Owain Llewelyn - Lead - 08/Sep/06 with Dad

Hidden - AltLd - 13/Aug/06

mikelaing - Lead O/S - Aug/06 with Carolyn

cas54321 - 2nd - Aug/06 with Mike

Dan 85 - AltLd O/S - 08/Jun/06 with Rob G

Hidden - 2006

Hidden - 2006

Hidden - 2006

Sandy P - AltLd - Aug/05 with Guy Couper-Marsh

Both pitches lead by me.
ritchierich - Lead O/S - 23/Jun/05 with Ritchie Griffiths

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 01/May/05

clive-greenwood - Lead O/S - 26/Mar/05 with Elsa

climbtim - 2005

Hidden - Lead - 2005

Hidden - AltLd - 18/Sep/04

John Pickles - AltLd O/S - 06/Jun/04 with Naomi Fisher

I led the 2nd pitch. Steve led the committing and bold HVS 5a "Independent Finish".
Siderunner - AltLd O/S - 03/May/04 with Steve M

SteveM - AltLd - 03/May/04 with AS

Hidden - Lead - Apr/04

paul m hadley - Lead - 2004

malc - AltLd - 23/Mar/03 with Paul S

akhughes - AltLd - Jan/02 with Steptoe

chrishedgehog - Lead O/S - 18/Apr/01 with Clare Wilkie

ZA - AltLd - Jun/00 with dad

zero six - Lead O/S - 2000

Hidden - Lead - 2000

Hidden - AltLd - 31/May/98

Hidden - Lead O/S - Jun/95

nai - AltLd - 1995

belay bunny turned bad - 1995

rob.grafton - Lead - 1995 with Ben, Bruce

Budge - AltLd O/S - 1994 with Rod Gritten

Vince McNally - Lead - Jul/93

Hidden - AltLd - 18/May/93

RichardMc - AltLd - 23/Aug/92 with Dave Cooper

Hidden - AltLd - 29/Feb/92

Hidden - AltLd - 03/Jul/91

Bob - 1990

Hidden - 1990

Iain Thow - Lead - 03/Jun/89 with Paul Whatley

tlr - AltLd - 30/May/89 with Nick

BigHairyIan - Lead O/S - 23/Oct/88 with Chris Lane

Hidden - AltLd - 17/Oct/88

seconded Ian on 2 routes near Grim Wall. Possibly this one
stevieb - 2nd O/S - May/88 with Ian Pickles

michael burrows - AltLd O/S - 04/May/86 with jim kite

Hidden - 2nd - 1986

Hidden - Lead O/S - 1985

andy gittins - 1985

Paula Hamilton-Gibson - Lead - Jun/83 with Phillippa Mathews

Hidden - Lead O/S - 07/Apr/82

nigehughes - AltLd - Apr/82 with Eric Joyce

GordonHart - Lead O/S - 1982

andy gittins - 1982

Andy Fielding - AltLd - 15/Sep/81 with Mike Gilbert

Falko - Lead O/S - 01/Apr/81 with A N Other

Mark Kemball - Lead - 10/Feb/80 with Sarah Bridge

Ian Clare - 1980

Ghastly Rubberfeet - Solo - 1980

Done but just recorded the tick - probably more than once!
jmr - AltLd - 1980

rogerskews - 1980

Kafoozalem - Lead O/S - 11/Apr/79 with John Baily

steve691 - 1979

Hidden - Lead - 29/Oct/78

RichardMc - AltLd - 23/Oct/77 with Daphne Pritchard

Hidden - Lead - Jun/76

pneame - May/75

Bolt Phobia - Lead - 16/Jan/75

petemeads - Lead - 1975

Gordon Stainforth - AltLd - 11/May/74 with Dennis Whitely

Hidden - Jan/74

Andy Say - Lead - 1972

tapley - AltLd O/S - 29/Apr/70

Dave Musgrove - AltLd - 02/Mar/69 with Bob Knapton

David Smith - 1963

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Voting
Total votes cast 61
hard HVS0 of 21
HVS0 of 21
easy HVS1 of 21
hard VS10 of 21
VS9 of 21
easy VS1 of 21
hard HS0 of 21
HS0 of 21
easy HS0 of 21
hard 5a0 of 22
5a0 of 22
easy 5a1 of 22
hard 4c6 of 22
4c15 of 22
easy 4c0 of 22
hard 4b0 of 22
4b0 of 22
easy 4b0 of 22
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Style of ascent

Soloed3 of 200 (1.5%)
Lead54 of 200 (27.0%)
Followed21 of 200 (10.5%)
Alt Leads84 of 200 (42.0%)
Unknown38 of 200 (19.0%)

'Climbed'117 of 200 (58.5%)
clean O/S77 of 200 (38.5%)
clean β1 of 200 (0.5%)
clean rpt4 of 200 (2.0%)
dogged1 of 200 (0.5%)