The Arete* HS 4b
[Top of the needle, 2 kb]20m, 2 pitches. Start at the bottom of Wasdale Crack.
1.) 16m, traverse delicately right until a pull around onto the arete can be made. Climb the arete to the shoulder.
2.) 4m, pitch 2 of the Wasdale Crack.
WH Fowler Sep/1894

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Hidden - AltLd O/S - 15/Jun/15

Top pitch, polished as hell and a bugger to get back down again, first pitch was nice mind. Got the tick now though, and there was a decent view!
Calum Wadsworth - AltLd O/S - 08/Jun/15 with Ruairidh Wadsworth

Hidden - AltLd O/S - Jun/15

G Weatherley - 2nd β - Jun/15 with Richard Ive

Lead the first pitch, then peachey lead the top, then I led taking out gear on the way down. Bit cold, good sneaky nut! before the awkward dowsn mantle.
dunnyg - Lead O/S - 30/May/15 with ian peachey

Hidden - Lead O/S - 26/May/15

Hidden - 2nd - 26/May/15

Becks87 - 2nd O/S - 23/May/15 with Adam L

A very worthwhile route of a super classic landmark. This route is a lot less polished than the Wasdale Crack start to the shoulder. Used a left foot mantle to get onto the top block to much relief. Extremely polished and nothing that great for protection on the very top. Was told about a small crack about a foot below the back edge from the climb that takes a 0.5 cam and used a sling round a slight notch on the top to set up belay. Hairy getting down after lowering my second. Didn't fancy the methods mentioned in the various guides. Used a combination of abseil from the slight notch and down climbing. Hate to say it for national heritage reasons but maybe a bolt and chain in the top would be a good idea here. Abseiled from the knotted ropes and rusty maillons back off the shoulder (Not recommended)
atom - Lead - 23/May/15 with Rebecca Wood

scott quinn - Lead O/S - 18/Apr/15 with dad

Hidden - Lead O/S - 09/Apr/15

Pigpen - AltLd - 07/Apr/15 with Loch

steely - 2nd - 21/Mar/15 with luke armitage

s1362083 - AltLd - 19/Nov/14

petegunn - Lead - 16/Nov/14 with Tobias, Davina

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 16/Nov/14

Tobias Barthelmes - 2nd O/S - 16/Oct/14 with Pete and Davina

robertmichaeladams - Lead - 12/Jul/14 with Bex

Fantastic, third time lucky (1st only just started climbing, 2nd wet)
Steve954 - 2nd β - 20/Jun/14 with Shane Willis, Richard

Great route 7 hours from car and back in bad conditions well Worth it though!
vinspin - AltLd O/S - 10/Jun/14 with kaz, carl

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 25/May/14

Fun route, with a great position on top, surprisingly there was no one else around on a bank holiday!
alastairbegley - Lead O/S - 25/May/14 with Becky Bagnall, David Qualtrough

Hidden - Lead O/S - 17/May/14

Olli-C - AltLd rpt - 18/Apr/14 with Chris Waddle

tskelhon - Lead O/S - 2014 with Charlotte

clmacdonald - 2nd - 2014 with tskelhon

joe hallam - AltLd O/S - 30/Sep/13 with Joe Mann

P2
thomaspomfrett - AltLd O/S - 04/Sep/13 with Joe Callaghan

Led the top section (4m Mantelshelf) after doing the Arete. Then backdown to climb Lingmell & The Crowley Route.
stevo smith - Lead O/S - 26/Aug/13 with Rob hall patch

Bex_M - AltLd O/S - 25/Aug/13 with Claire Ellwood

redshapedfriday - Lead - 07/Aug/13 with tom anderson

1st pitch
mrginna - AltLd O/S - 08/Jul/13 with Ben Hiles

darlolad - AltLd O/S - 05/Jul/13

P2
mcglenr25 - AltLd O/S - 09/Jun/13 with John Niven

P1
JohnBear - AltLd - 09/Jun/13 with Gus, Ryan

peter.ravenscroft27 - AltLd - 30/Apr/13 with Jack Godwin

Simonpeel - 2nd O/S - 03/Mar/13

Steve Lenartowicz - Lead - 05/Nov/12 with Clare

Derek Robinson - 2nd O/S - 11/Aug/12 with Mark Collins

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voxuk1Zinnc
Mark Collins - Lead O/S - 11/Aug/12 with Delboy

Goose4 - Lead O/S - 14/Jul/12 with Stuart Paton

steve-grigg - Lead O/S - 21/Jun/12

Lead Wasdale crack, Alec lead The arete first and left gear for me to clip into. Keep your face in and push like hell on that left leg then its all over. Absolutely fantastic.... Jackot!
Pinky - Lead O/S - 12/Jun/12 with alec thomas, chris thomas

nickcj - Lead O/S - 27/May/12

Hidden - Lead - 18/Apr/12

Will Gordon - Lead O/S - 15/Apr/12 with Rich Goodbody

Hidden - 2nd - 15/Apr/12

Liam rope-soloed to the shoulder, then me to the top.
Richard Alderton - AltLd - 28/Mar/12 with Liam

Dervey - AltLd - 28/Mar/12 with Rich

Ian Hinkins - Lead - 26/Mar/12

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 24/Mar/12

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 12/Feb/12

Hidden - 2012

not entirely sure which route we did, forgot the guidebook and didn't fancy the dark, polished "standard" route. just made our way up past a massive flake offering a bit of chimney-esque climbing, easy but slightly bold
GermanAlex - AltLd - 15/Oct/11 with Brannock

With German Alex, as he said we left the guide book behind, 1st pitch went up the crack on the oppostie of the Needle to the really polished crack (Wasdale crack?), second pitch from spike belay worthy of Stoney. Not sure about the grade would have thought S4a more appropriate, even with the down climb, though alex thought HS 4b.
Brannock - AltLd O/S - 15/Oct/11

Peter Holder - Lead O/S - 13/Oct/11 with Ryan Wilson

Led to shoulder but then waited 30 mins for the rain to clear; by the time Owen and then Jen had 2nd'd pitch 1 was too cold to continue. Good situation and historic but not a great climb
TimKnight - Lead dnf - 29/Aug/11 with Owen Daniel, Jen Shutt

One star for the climbing; two stars for the history; three stars for getting safely back to the shoulder.
Rog Wilko - Lead - 23/Jul/11 with Debbie Wilkinson

iwebster59017 - AltLd O/S - 04/Jul/11 with Carl Sunley, kirsty Brown

Kirsty810202 - AltLd O/S - 04/Jul/11 with Carl Sunley, Ian Webster

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 04/Jul/11

Don't know what people are complaining about. Seen much worse polish else where. Lovely route.
pffft - Lead O/S - 03/Jul/11 with Jojo Mills, Naomi Havercroft

Hidden - 2nd - 03/Jul/11

Hidden - 2nd - 03/Jul/11

Slightly damp, bl**dy cold, but awesome climb!!
Dynamo Digby - 30/Jun/11 with Rob Brown

Pohil - Lead - 04/Jun/11

Hidden - 2nd O/S - 03/Jun/11

Spanner - 2nd - 18/May/11 with Josh Crabtree

sam coward - Lead O/S - 01/May/11 with Helen

Preferred this way up needle to The Wasdale Crack, much better positions and climbing, led first pitch. Brilliant view this time from the summit.
Graeme Hammond - AltLd O/S - 30/Apr/11 with james pcc

Hidden - AltLd - 30/Apr/11

Awesome. Why has this only got 1 star on here? defo worth ***
djmarko75 - Lead O/S - Apr/11

y2keable - AltLd O/S - 27/Mar/11 with tom heaney, Bulley

tom heaney - AltLd O/S - Mar/11

jon clayton - Lead - 25/Sep/10

Hidden - 15/Aug/10

Most amazing experience, in the rain and above a 400m cloud base Very grateful to the kind soul who placed a mallion + cord on the shoulder!
Daniel Heath - Lead O/S - 01/Aug/10

Ianwesterby - Lead O/S - 01/Aug/10

Hidden - Lead O/S - 18/Jun/10

Sophie Nunn - Lead O/S - 02/May/10

'Led' P2
TiffTiff - AltLd O/S - 02/May/10 with Sophie, Heather

andy jennings - AltLd O/S - 02/May/10 with Floris

jackse - Lead - Apr/10

Lead second pitch, polished but positive moves. Summit was wacky but awesome.
RCrockford - AltLd O/S - 17/Oct/09 with Jonah

Allan lead 1st pitch & I lead 2nd pitch. Really polished and tricky to get up. No finese, used knees but got there. have to wrap rope round over hang and tie on to it for belay, weird!
Neil Metcalfe101 - AltLd - 13/Sep/09 with Allan Mac

auld al - Lead O/S - Sep/09

matt_ringrose - AltLd - 02/Aug/09 with Ed Causton

Hidden - Lead - Aug/09

monkeymark - Lead O/S - 20/Jul/09

Becky E - 2nd O/S - 02/Jun/09 with Phil Lee

BeccaSnowden - AltLd O/S - 02/May/09 with Tom

Lead second pitch. Nice climbing on 1st pitch second pitch polished and not nice at all! Worth the summit though.
thomasadixon - AltLd O/S - 02/May/09 with Becca

buddha1369 - AltLd O/S - 19/Apr/09 with Simon B (OB)

wasent worth th walkin huge dissapointment
iliff - 2nd O/S - 19/Mar/09

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 14/Jun/08

tomparrott - Lead O/S - 07/Jun/08

jimsrankin - AltLd O/S - Jun/08

Christopher Williamson - 25/May/08 with Matt Sleightholme

Hidden - Feb/08

Lawrie Brand - Lead O/S - 30/Sep/07 with Malcolm Airey

Mark Walter - AltLd O/S - 20/Jun/07 with Wil Chivers

wilchivs - AltLd O/S - 20/Jun/07 with Mark Walter

innesmac - Apr/07

Hidden - 2007

Bargate_Champ - Lead O/S - 2007

My 1st ever trad route.
Rawstron1 - 2nd - 16/Jun/06 with Tim

Hidden - May/06

stewart murray - 2006

Hidden - Lead - 2006

Hidden - Lead - Aug/04

Hidden - Lead - 2004

peteetheridge - 2nd O/S - 2003 with Tom Weston

Hidden - Lead O/S - 22/Aug/99

Simon Caldwell - AltLd O/S - Jul/99 with Mike

andyfeds - Lead - Oct/98 with Andy C

BenTiffin - Lead - Jul/98

I led top pitch. Mist came in very thick. Got some eerie photos.
Phil West - AltLd O/S - 25/May/96 with David Atherton

gallonj - 1992

John Southworth - AltLd O/S - Apr/90

Iain Thow - Lead - 03/Oct/87 with Phil Moorey

With Derwent Hill staff
Steve Crowe - 2nd O/S - 1974

Hidden - AltLd - 1971

Hidden - AltLd O/S - 01/Aug/69

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