An impressive route through the overhangs with some unusual moves. Start in a slabby corner R. of Hot Pies etc. Climb the corner and pull out R. past a bolt to reach a ledge and good spike. Move up L. across a slab and make a hard move up into a hanging groove (bolt). Step R. (bolt) and make a long blind reach over the next roof for a good hold. Throw caution to the wind and haul over the roof past another bolt to gain easier ground. Move up and R. past a slot to gain the easier finishing groove.

Martin Dale & Rich Kirby 1990

Ticklists: Victim Of Mathematics' Ticklist of Extreme Justice, Ultimate E3 ticklist.

Hidden 24/Jun Lead O/S
Alex moore 24/Jun Sent O/S
with Sian
Lakesben 22/Jun Lead β
with The Plough
Jeremy Wilson 02/May Lead O/S

Awesome route going through impressive territory at the grade. Thanks for all the new bolts - folk who spend time rebolting stuff for everyone's benefit deserve huge praise.

with Paul Cox
Paul Figg 01/May Lead O/S

Straightforward climbing weaving through spectacular ground, just a couple of wires needed for the top.

tommccluskey 17/Aug/16 Lead O/S

Very good route but was pretty dark!

J_Spooner ?/Jul/16 Lead O/S
Tom.Priestley 14/May/16 Lead O/S

Pocket is hard to find and ends up with "up a bit left a bit right a bit" from the belayer. Otherwise it's pretty steady and has had so many bolts added it needs fully bolting up the VS top section to be converted to a sport route 6a+ sport (redpoint) or E1 5c (onsight) as there's only one hard move and the new bolt is right there.

Hidden 25/Apr/16 Lead O/S
laurashaw 25/Apr/16 2nd dnf

Some fantastic moves with a pumpy crux in an incredible location. Definitely heading back to finish it

with Kate Lane, Thom Jenkinson, Eagertom
BigTone 17/Apr/16 2nd O/S
Scott Quinn 28/Mar/16 2nd rpt
jwdickinson25 18/Sep/15 Lead O/S

Bolts make it easier..great route though!

beds74 19/Jun/15 Lead

Great route, looked at it for years, went sweet! The pocket is quite high up stretch!...Becks belayed then I stripped it. Showers/Midges. We re bolted this along with several other routes/abseil points for groups to use, as the 'old' bolts were just that...old. In response to somebody else's comment about bringing the grade down to E1/E2, my response is if you knew just how far the 'old' bolts weren't in then the original E3 grade might as well have been E silly, as a fall could have resulted in ripping them out. (hardly in...) if your that obsessed about making it pure my advice would be to not clip the 'new' bolts and use some of the existing 'old' ones and use natural pro (lot's of by the way if you look). Me personally, I clipped the 'new' bolts and loved every minute of it! Knowing that they were 6" into the rock rather that the previous 1/2" decide ;-) A fine route.

with Rebecca Edwards
greenclimb 26/May/15 Lead O/S
Ben Cianchi 09/Apr/15 2nd O/S
Paul Robertson 28/Sep/14 Lead dog

Fantastic route. Should have warmed up and psyched up before jumping on it.

with DSM
tmawer 14/Sep/14 2nd rpt
with Mike Norbry, Jaime Robertson
airborne 29/Jul/14 Lead O/S
Coops_13 18/Jul/14 Lead O/S

Amazing, felt sketch

Patrick Hill 18/Jul/14 2nd O/S
David Woods 13/Jun/14 Lead dnf

Clipped the bolt abopve the crux but fell off while placing the rope through it, took a whipper and scraped my hand. Wish I could have found that amazing pocket just below the bolt. Thought better of it- to be saved for another day. Had to ab off the top to collect the quick draws as no-one else fancied it.

with Joe Holden
Hidden 27/Apr/14 2nd
Hidden ??/2014 -
mileshill540 ??/2014 2nd
joe_lancs 03/Aug/13 Lead O/S
JanBella 08/Jun/13 2nd O/S

it's a beast !

with simon
Scott Quinn 29/May/13 Lead O/S

Fantastic route! agree about the cheeky pocket being hard to find.

Hidden 19/Apr/13 2nd dog
petegunn 19/Apr/13 Lead

An excellent route, the cheeky pocket was tricky to find. Good climbing throughout and the sun had his hat on :)

with Davina
Hidden 23/Aug/12 Lead O/S
Pete Graham 28/Apr/11 Lead
with Rick Graham
darlolad 27/Aug/10 2nd O/S
tim newton 26/Aug/10 Lead O/S

agree with the e1/2 grade. only 5 bolts on the route as far as i remember but they protect the harder moves. really enjoyed it

dave o 21/Aug/10 Lead O/S

not sure how it was before, but unfortunately not e3 with the number of bolts in it now

with Julia H
Hidden 19/Sep/09 2nd dog
datoon 28/Jun/09 Lead O/S
with K
Dave Warburton 25/Jun/09 AltLd O/S

Did in 2 pitches to reduce rope drag and try to save some time. In the end it didn't save time and i was more psyched to do 'An Alabuse' after discovering, Darklands E1/2 nature.

Hidden 12/Jun/09 -
dannyboy83 01/Jun/09 Lead O/S
with Steve Mayer
ilikemonkys 17/Apr/09 Lead
with mike
daviesxxx ??/2009 Lead dog
Franco Cookson OLD ??/2009 Lead O/S

E1/2 in current state. whoever retro-bolted this should be ashamed.

Hidden 14/Sep/08 2nd
Hidden 14/Sep/08 Lead O/S
lukehunt 23/Aug/08 Lead O/S
with Rob
climbingpixie 29/Jun/08 Lead dnf

Gutted! Couldn't find the crux pocket and ended up lowering off in shame. Will be back to complete this route.

with Andy Hobson
Shaw Brown 03/Jun/08 Lead

Brilliant route

with John Hollingworth
Andy S 22/May/08 2nd rpt
with Frith
John Kettle 23/Aug/07 Lead O/S
Hidden 10/Jul/07 Lead
Rob Rocket 10/Jul/07 2nd
Hidden 10/Jul/07 Lead O/S
C coldwell-storry ??/2007 Lead O/S
with Paddy Cave
Andy S 23/Jul/05 Lead O/S

NOT E3. In fact, I've since spoken to the first ascentionist and he has confirmed that more bolts have been put in since he put it up. Originally, he graded it E4 and the grade settled to E3 after a few repeats. Since then, more bolts have been put in. Whoever put those extra bolts in did wrong. Totally unnecessary.

with Heather
Hidden ??/2005 Lead β
Hidden 18/Jul/01 2nd O/S
Hidden 28/Aug/00 Lead O/S
DavidEvans 27/Jul/00 Lead
with John Helme
Bulls Crack ?/Jun/00 Lead O/S
col finnegan 26/Apr/99 TR


DavidEvans ??/1999 2nd
with William Wilson
Hidden 03/May/98 Lead
Martin Bennett 07/Sep/97 -
with MD
FATBOYFAT ??/1997 Lead O/S
with Jim Hatfield
andybirtwistle 07/Sep/96 Lead
with Steve Brewis
Hidden ?/Jul/96 Lead O/S
uphillnow ?/Jul/96 2nd


with Frank Horseman
neilh 23/Sep/95 Lead O/S
with sara hyde
Roget 27/Aug/95 Lead rpt
with jon
ewar woowar ??/1995 2nd
Hidden 12/Oct/94 -
Roget 30/May/94 2nd
with colin
Ghastly Rubberfeet ??/1994 2nd
with Tony Brindle
Hidden 09/May/93 Lead
Hidden 07/Jun/92 Lead O/S
Paul Clarke ??/1990 Lead
with Others, Nick Dalzell
Rich Kirby ??/1988 Lead

First ascent - both led.

with Martin Dale
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