An impressive route through the overhangs with some unusual moves. Start in a slabby corner R. of Hot Pies etc. Climb the corner and pull out R. past a bolt to reach a ledge and good spike. Move up L. across a slab and make a hard move up into a hanging groove (bolt). Step R. (bolt) and make a long blind reach over the next roof for a good hold. Throw caution to the wind and haul over the roof past another bolt to gain easier ground. Move up and R. past a slot to gain the easier finishing groove.

Martin Dale & Rich Kirby 1990

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UserDateStyleNotes & Partners
Chriswallis2 25 Jul, 2017 Lead β
with Mike W
with Mike W
Hidden 24 Jun, 2017 Lead O/S
Alex moore 24 Jun, 2017 Sent O/S
with Sian
with Sian
Lakesben 22 Jun, 2017 Lead β
with The Plough
with The Plough
Jeremy Wilson 2 May, 2017 Lead O/S Awesome route going through impressive territory at the grade. Thanks for all the new bolts - folk who spend time rebolting stuff for everyone's benefit deserve huge praise.
with Paul Cox
Awesome route going through impressive territory at the grade. Thanks for all the new bolts - folk who spend time rebolting stuff for everyone's benefit deserve huge praise.
with Paul Cox
Paul Figg 1 May, 2017 Lead O/S Straightforward climbing weaving through spectacular ground, just a couple of wires needed for the top.
Straightforward climbing weaving through spectacular ground, just a couple of wires needed for the top.
Malcolm Bass 1 May, 2017 2nd
GeorgeHH 17 Aug, 2016 Lead O/S
tommccluskey 17 Aug, 2016 Lead O/S Very good route but was pretty dark!
Very good route but was pretty dark!
J_Spooner ?Jul, 2016 Lead O/S
Tom.Priestley 14 May, 2016 Lead O/S Pocket is hard to find and ends up with "up a bit left a bit right a bit" from the belayer. Otherwise it's pretty steady and has had so many bolts added it needs fully bolting up the VS top section to be converted to a sport route 6a+ sport (redpoint) or E1 5c (onsight) as there's only one hard move and the new bolt is right there.
Pocket is hard to find and ends up with "up a bit left a bit right a bit" from the belayer. Otherwise it's pretty steady and has had so many bolts added it needs fully bolting up the VS top section to be converted to a sport route 6a+ sport (redpoint) or E1 5c (onsight) as there's only one hard move and the new bolt is right there.
Hidden 25 Apr, 2016 Lead O/S
laurashaw 25 Apr, 2016 2nd dnf Some fantastic moves with a pumpy crux in an incredible location. Definitely heading back to finish it
with Kate Lane, thom_jenkinson, Eagertom
Some fantastic moves with a pumpy crux in an incredible location. Definitely heading back to finish it
with Kate Lane, thom_jenkinson, Eagertom
Hidden 17 Apr, 2016 2nd O/S
Scott Quinn 28 Mar, 2016 2nd rpt another bolt...
another bolt...
Hidden 18 Sep, 2015 Lead O/S
beds74 19 Jun, 2015 Lead Great route, looked at it for years, went sweet! The pocket is quite high up stretch!...Becks belayed then I stripped it. Showers/Midges. We re bolted this along with several other routes/abseil points for groups to use, as the 'old' bolts were just that...old. In response to somebody else's comment about bringing the grade down to E1/E2, my response is if you knew just how far the 'old' bolts weren't in then the original E3 grade might as well have been E silly, as a fall could have resulted in ripping them out. (hardly in...) if your that obsessed about making it pure my advice would be to not clip the 'new' bolts and use some of the existing 'old' ones and use natural pro (lot's of by the way if you look). Me personally, I clipped the 'new' bolts and loved every minute of it! Knowing that they were 6" into the rock rather that the previous 1/2"...you decide ;-) A fine route.
with Rebecca Edwards
Great route, looked at it for years, went sweet! The pocket is quite high up stretch!...Becks belayed then I stripped it. Showers/Midges. We re bolted this along with several other routes/abseil points for groups to use, as the 'old' bolts were just that...old. In response to somebody else's comment about bringing the grade down to E1/E2, my response is if you knew just how far the 'old' bolts weren't in then the original E3 grade might as well have been E silly, as a fall could have resulted in ripping them out. (hardly in...) if your that obsessed about making it pure my advice would be to not clip the 'new' bolts and use some of the existing 'old' ones and use natural pro (lot's of by the way if you look). Me personally, I clipped the 'new' bolts and loved every minute of it! Knowing that they were 6" into the rock rather that the previous 1/2"...you decide ;-) A fine route.
with Rebecca Edwards
Paul ablitt 26 May, 2015 Lead O/S
Ben Cianchi 9 Apr, 2015 2nd O/S
Paul Robertson 28 Sep, 2014 Lead dog Fantastic route. Should have warmed up and psyched up before jumping on it.
with DSM
Fantastic route. Should have warmed up and psyched up before jumping on it.
with DSM
tmawer 14 Sep, 2014 2nd rpt
with Mike Norbery, Jaime Robertson
with Mike Norbery, Jaime Robertson
airborne 29 Jul, 2014 Lead O/S
with Exile
with Exile
Coops_13 18 Jul, 2014 Lead O/S Amazing, felt sketch
Amazing, felt sketch
Patrick Hill 18 Jul, 2014 2nd O/S
Sloth Chops 13 Jun, 2014 Lead dnf Clipped the bolt abopve the crux but fell off while placing the rope through it, took a whipper and scraped my hand. Wish I could have found that amazing pocket just below the bolt. Thought better of it- to be saved for another day. Had to ab off the top to collect the quick draws as no-one else fancied it.
with Joe Holden
Clipped the bolt abopve the crux but fell off while placing the rope through it, took a whipper and scraped my hand. Wish I could have found that amazing pocket just below the bolt. Thought better of it- to be saved for another day. Had to ab off the top to collect the quick draws as no-one else fancied it.
with Joe Holden
Hidden 27 Apr, 2014 2nd
Hidden ??, 2014 -
mileshill540 ??, 2014 2nd
joe_lancs 3 Aug, 2013 Lead O/S
JanBella 8 Jun, 2013 2nd O/S it's a beast !
with simon
it's a beast !
with simon
Scott Quinn 29 May, 2013 Lead O/S Fantastic route! agree about the cheeky pocket being hard to find.
Fantastic route! agree about the cheeky pocket being hard to find.
Hidden 19 Apr, 2013 2nd dog
petegunn 19 Apr, 2013 Lead An excellent route, the cheeky pocket was tricky to find. Good climbing throughout and the sun had his hat on :)
An excellent route, the cheeky pocket was tricky to find. Good climbing throughout and the sun had his hat on :)
Hidden 23 Aug, 2012 Lead O/S
Pete Graham 28 Apr, 2011 Lead
with Rick Graham
with Rick Graham
darlolad 27 Aug, 2010 2nd O/S
tim newton 26 Aug, 2010 Lead O/S agree with the e1/2 grade. only 5 bolts on the route as far as i remember but they protect the harder moves. really enjoyed it
agree with the e1/2 grade. only 5 bolts on the route as far as i remember but they protect the harder moves. really enjoyed it
dave o 21 Aug, 2010 Lead O/S not sure how it was before, but unfortunately not e3 with the number of bolts in it now
with JuliaH
not sure how it was before, but unfortunately not e3 with the number of bolts in it now
with JuliaH
Hidden 19 Sep, 2009 2nd dog
datoon 28 Jun, 2009 Lead O/S
with K
with K
Dave Warburton 25 Jun, 2009 AltLd O/S Did in 2 pitches to reduce rope drag and try to save some time. In the end it didn't save time and i was more psyched to do 'An Alabuse' after discovering, Darklands E1/2 nature.
Did in 2 pitches to reduce rope drag and try to save some time. In the end it didn't save time and i was more psyched to do 'An Alabuse' after discovering, Darklands E1/2 nature.
Hidden 12 Jun, 2009 2nd dog
dannyboy83 1 Jun, 2009 Lead O/S
with Steve Mayer
with Steve Mayer
ilikemonkys 17 Apr, 2009 Lead
with mike
with mike
daviesxxx ??, 2009 Lead dog
Franco Cookson OLD ??, 2009 Lead O/S E1/2 in current state. whoever retro-bolted this should be ashamed.
E1/2 in current state. whoever retro-bolted this should be ashamed.
Hidden 14 Sep, 2008 2nd
chris m fisher 14 Sep, 2008 Lead O/S
with Don
with Don
lukehunt 23 Aug, 2008 Lead O/S
with Rob
with Rob
climbingpixie 29 Jun, 2008 Lead dnf Gutted! Couldn't find the crux pocket and ended up lowering off in shame. Will be back to complete this route.
with Andy Hobson
Gutted! Couldn't find the crux pocket and ended up lowering off in shame. Will be back to complete this route.
with Andy Hobson
Shaw Brown 3 Jun, 2008 Lead Brilliant route
with John Hollingworth
Brilliant route
with John Hollingworth
Andy S 22 May, 2008 2nd rpt
John Kettle 23 Aug, 2007 Lead O/S
Hidden 10 Jul, 2007 Lead
Rob Rocket 10 Jul, 2007 2nd
Hidden 10 Jul, 2007 Lead O/S
C coldwell-storry ??, 2007 Lead O/S
with Paddy Cave
with Paddy Cave
Andy S 23 Jul, 2005 Lead O/S NOT E3. In fact, I've since spoken to the first ascentionist and he has confirmed that more bolts have been put in since he put it up. Originally, he graded it E4 and the grade settled to E3 after a few repeats. Since then, more bolts have been put in. Whoever put those extra bolts in did wrong. Totally unnecessary.
with Heather
NOT E3. In fact, I've since spoken to the first ascentionist and he has confirmed that more bolts have been put in since he put it up. Originally, he graded it E4 and the grade settled to E3 after a few repeats. Since then, more bolts have been put in. Whoever put those extra bolts in did wrong. Totally unnecessary.
with Heather
Hidden ??, 2005 Lead β
Hidden 18 Jul, 2001 2nd O/S
Hidden 28 Aug, 2000 Lead O/S
DavidEvans 27 Jul, 2000 Lead
with John Helme
with John Helme
Bulls Crack ?Jun, 2000 Lead O/S
col finnegan 26 Apr, 1999 TR Exhilarating!
Exhilarating!
DavidEvans ??, 1999 2nd
with William Wilson
with William Wilson
Hidden 3 May, 1998 Lead
Martin Bennett 7 Sep, 1997 -
with MD
with MD
FATBOYFAT ??, 1997 Lead O/S
with Jim Hatfield
with Jim Hatfield
andybirtwistle 7 Sep, 1996 Lead
with Steve Brewis
with Steve Brewis
SR1970 ?Jul, 1996 Lead O/S
uphillnow ?Jul, 1996 2nd WORKING BUT HAD END OF DAY OFF - JUST FINISHED IN THE LAST RAYS OF DAYLIGHT
with Frank Horseman
WORKING BUT HAD END OF DAY OFF - JUST FINISHED IN THE LAST RAYS OF DAYLIGHT
with Frank Horseman
neilh 23 Sep, 1995 Lead O/S
with sara hyde
with sara hyde
Roget 27 Aug, 1995 Lead rpt
with jon
with jon
ewar woowar ??, 1995 2nd
Hidden 12 Oct, 1994 -
Roget 30 May, 1994 2nd
with colin
with colin
Ghastly Rubberfeet ??, 1994 2nd
with Tony Brindle
with Tony Brindle
Hidden 9 May, 1993 Lead
Hidden 7 Jun, 1992 Lead O/S
Hidden ??, 1990 Lead
Rich Kirby ??, 1988 Lead First ascent - both led.
with Martin Dale
First ascent - both led.
with Martin Dale
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