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Rockfax Description
A great trad route. Climb the left-hand of the two parallel cracks to a large spike belay. © Rockfax

UKC Logbook Description
The left-hand crack in the fine slab.

S Haston solo Jun/1983.

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Simonroberts1985 8 Mar Show βeta
βeta: Really nice climb, first VS in while, felt like a spicy start with 6 meter or so run out before any gear, climbing is easy enough though.
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βeta: Really nice climb, first VS in while, felt like a spicy start with 6 meter or so run out before any gear, climbing is easy enough though.
james shaughnessy 22 Oct, 2024 Show βeta
βeta: An excellent route. Good quality little (slightly-long) moves to each subsequent solid-ish stance. Felt more like a Limestone crack then the other routes hereby. Holds were genuinely greasy from the Hoomans. Whilst VS 4c is ultimately maybe a fair grade, i thoroughly would not recommend this one to the newbie VS-leader. The first placement was around (and i don't recall exactly) maybe 7m+ (...that's the height at the gable-end of a house for reference, People - with rocks below...) - and the following couple of placements are v small wires behind just-slightly-loose blocks. ...Now, those blocks MIGHT be well-chocked, but i certainly wouldn't want to test them (...they would only have to nudge a mm or two to let those v small Nuts thru) - so the first portion is essentially a potential-solo (...despite what anyone on here might say!). A good Cam only comes very high up. Then, higher up, you can see the slightly run-out section coming - which is ultimately pretty doable. Courtney got up (on-second) but slipped off a coupla times. Billy pulled on the Gear again.... Worth 2.5stars.
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βeta: An excellent route. Good quality little (slightly-long) moves to each subsequent solid-ish stance. Felt more like a Limestone crack then the other routes hereby. Holds were genuinely greasy from the Hoomans. Whilst VS 4c is ultimately maybe a fair grade, i thoroughly would not recommend this one to the newbie VS-leader. The first placement was around (and i don't recall exactly) maybe 7m+ (...that's the height at the gable-end of a house for reference, People - with rocks below...) - and the following couple of placements are v small wires behind just-slightly-loose blocks. ...Now, those blocks MIGHT be well-chocked, but i certainly wouldn't want to test them (...they would only have to nudge a mm or two to let those v small Nuts thru) - so the first portion is essentially a potential-solo (...despite what anyone on here might say!). A good Cam only comes very high up. Then, higher up, you can see the slightly run-out section coming - which is ultimately pretty doable. Courtney got up (on-second) but slipped off a coupla times. Billy pulled on the Gear again.... Worth 2.5stars.
bubaldo 4 Sep, 2024 Show βeta
βeta: Avoid the appealing nut placement behind the first block - it ebbs away from the wall disconcertingly when seating. A fall on gear placed here could prise the block from the wall. Be careful and make sure your belayer wears a helmet.
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βeta: Avoid the appealing nut placement behind the first block - it ebbs away from the wall disconcertingly when seating. A fall on gear placed here could prise the block from the wall. Be careful and make sure your belayer wears a helmet.
stratandrew 1 Apr, 2022 Show βeta
βeta: One or two of the blocks in the seam are loose.... beware
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βeta: One or two of the blocks in the seam are loose.... beware
AdJS 16 Jul, 2021 Show βeta
βeta: Lots of good small wires throughout.
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βeta: Lots of good small wires throughout.
TommoRowe 31 May, 2021 Show βeta
βeta: Great introduction to slate. James said none of the gear felt great though. Very enjoyable.
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βeta: Great introduction to slate. James said none of the gear felt great though. Very enjoyable.
gowain 6 Mar, 2021 Show βeta
βeta: Middle bloc is more of a wobbler than i remember...
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βeta: Middle bloc is more of a wobbler than i remember...
Harry_Sutcliffe 30 Jun, 2020 Show βeta
βeta: Full Crisis of confidence. You will be fine he said, There\'s loads of gear he said. Forgetting to mention that its all the same size and i spunked my nuts early on. bailing on possibly the third worst nut i have ever placed in my life. This one needs to go
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βeta: Full Crisis of confidence. You will be fine he said, There's loads of gear he said. Forgetting to mention that its all the same size and i spunked my nuts early on. bailing on possibly the third worst nut i have ever placed in my life. This one needs to go
JasperBWilliams 22 Jan, 2020 Show βeta
βeta: Loose rock (~30cm cubed) in crack maybe 10m up?
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βeta: Loose rock (~30cm cubed) in crack maybe 10m up?
JRex 27 Jul, 2019 Show βeta
βeta: Small movement in a couple of the blocks.
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βeta: Small movement in a couple of the blocks.
Adam.Caine 4 Jun, 2019 Show βeta
βeta: Check placements as there are some loose blocks
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βeta: Check placements as there are some loose blocks

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(Idwal Slabs (aka Cwm Idwal))

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