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Rockfax Description
The wider crack of the pair (or both) just right of the main corner gives a couple of good fist-jamming moves to a steep dirty exit. The thin crack on its own is Short but Thick, HVS 5b. © Rockfax

FA. Oliver Woolcock 1963

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JohnHutch 20 May, 2006 Show βeta
βeta: Very hard for 4b, even assuming you're following the guide book and doing the LEFT hand crack. Surely 4c
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βeta: Very hard for 4b, even assuming you're following the guide book and doing the LEFT hand crack. Surely 4c
Dan-gerMouse 15 Mar, 2005 Show βeta
βeta: Agreed, as a competant HVS Leader, just the right hand crack would be way harder, nearer HVS 5b. Beware the wobbly block, not for hands, ok for feet!
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βeta: Agreed, as a competant HVS Leader, just the right hand crack would be way harder, nearer HVS 5b. Beware the wobbly block, not for hands, ok for feet!
GrahamD 10 Jan, 2005 Show βeta
βeta: You would need to be pretty myopic to climb just the RH crack and it would be much harder than 4b. The Rockfax description differs from the definitive guide description of using the LH crack.
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βeta: You would need to be pretty myopic to climb just the RH crack and it would be much harder than 4b. The Rockfax description differs from the definitive guide description of using the LH crack.
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User Date Style Notes & Partners
Calum Wadsworth 20 Oct Lead O/S Felt nails
with Ruairidh Wadsworth
Felt nails
with Ruairidh Wadsworth
Hidden 17 Oct Solo
colin milton 11 Sep Lead
Hidden 20 May Lead
cragtyke 20 May 2nd
Dean.p.92 19 May 2nd
Jamiewalkerjones 19 May Lead O/S I thought that was hard. Steep and awkward.
I thought that was hard. Steep and awkward.
Marl 17 May Solo O/S
Hidden 4 May 2nd O/S
David Kay 23 Apr 2nd
abi.k.l 23 Apr 2nd O/S Enjoyable - maybe a future VS lead for me.
Enjoyable - maybe a future VS lead for me.
dannyboy83 23 Apr Solo O/S
Jules Lane 23 Apr Lead O/S
with Mynydd Dave K
with Mynydd Dave K
cragtyke 23 Oct, 2018 Lead
buxtoncoffeelover 23 Oct, 2018 2nd
Deezel65 18 Aug, 2018 Lead O/S Not sure it deserves a star.
with jim182
Not sure it deserves a star.
with jim182
jim182 18 Aug, 2018 2nd
joesimpson2886 8 Jul, 2017 AltLd O/S
with Butch87
with Butch87
Butch87 8 Jul, 2017 Lead
Alex Hyde 9 Jun, 2017 Lead dog Pretty tired had a mare when a couldn't get the gear in during the crux so managed a hasty downclimb to finally thow a replacment hex in! also the rock jutting out above the bottom crack is lose
with Sam
Pretty tired had a mare when a couldn't get the gear in during the crux so managed a hasty downclimb to finally thow a replacment hex in! also the rock jutting out above the bottom crack is lose
with Sam
Hidden 6 Jun, 2015 Lead
Sam McCarthy 23 May, 2015 2nd O/S
James Lowe 23 May, 2015 Lead O/S
with Tom Bennell, Sam McCarthy
with Tom Bennell, Sam McCarthy
Hidden 10 May, 2015 Solo O/S
Hidden 10 May, 2015 Solo O/S
Hidden 10 May, 2015 Solo O/S
Hidden 10 May, 2015 Solo O/S
Hidden 10 May, 2015 Solo O/S
Hidden 10 May, 2015 Solo O/S
Hidden 10 May, 2015 Solo O/S
Hidden 10 May, 2015 Solo O/S
Hardcore Pat 10 May, 2015 Lead O/S
with Dr Julie
with Dr Julie
Hidden 10 May, 2015 Solo O/S
Hidden 10 May, 2015 Solo O/S
Thunderthighsontheloose 26 Apr, 2015 2nd O/S
with Fran S8
with Fran S8
Neal Jobling 25 Apr, 2015 Lead O/S
with Tracy
with Tracy
Graeme Hammond 23 Apr, 2015 Lead O/S bit rubbish
with Becky E
bit rubbish
with Becky E
john max 23 Apr, 2015 Lead
with Andy Prichard
with Andy Prichard
Jimbo C 7 Mar, 2015 Lead O/S Surprisingly not very 'cracky' rather steep and pumpy with good positive holds
Surprisingly not very 'cracky' rather steep and pumpy with good positive holds
Hidden 7 Mar, 2015 2nd O/S
cem 6 Dec, 2014 2nd rpt
with Kirill
with Kirill
Kirill 6 Dec, 2014 Lead O/S Consolation route after unsuccessful attempt to climb 'Short but Thick'.
with cem
Consolation route after unsuccessful attempt to climb 'Short but Thick'.
with cem
Palmer 26 Oct, 2014 Lead
with sopaz
with sopaz
sopaz 26 Oct, 2014 2nd
with Palmer
with Palmer
Hidden 3 Oct, 2014 Lead
RayG 30 Aug, 2014 Lead O/S
Quaidy Quaid 30 Aug, 2014 2nd
with RayG
with RayG
Somerset swede basher 2 Jul, 2014 Solo O/S
williap 13 Apr, 2014 Lead
with verity cross
with verity cross
sdht 13 Apr, 2014 2nd
timreynolds 13 Apr, 2014 Lead dnf Wrongly described in Rockfax (1st Ed) - horrible
with sdht
Wrongly described in Rockfax (1st Ed) - horrible
with sdht
Hidden 13 Apr, 2014 2nd O/S
mikestr555 13 Apr, 2014 Lead
hamer89 16 Mar, 2014 Solo
AshBash 9 Mar, 2014 Lead O/S
amccann 12 Nov, 2013 2nd
Teappleby 12 Nov, 2013 Lead
with amccann
with amccann
kitkat78 1 Sep, 2013 2nd O/S
with SteveM
with SteveM
SteveM 1 Sep, 2013 Lead
Andrew Sloan 18 Oct, 2012 2nd O/S
with Steve Grove
with Steve Grove
Harri777 22 Sep, 2012 Lead With a very enjoyable fall while trying to top out! The downside was it meant doing the crux again since I ended up below it.
With a very enjoyable fall while trying to top out! The downside was it meant doing the crux again since I ended up below it.
nick ferro 16 Sep, 2012 -
with Oli Birkill
with Oli Birkill
Rob Davies 30 Oct, 2011 2nd
with Phil A
with Phil A
Hidden 30 Oct, 2011 Lead dog
HarryBowyer 30 Oct, 2011 2nd
glennofsheff 31 Aug, 2011 Lead O/S Tough little route , pumpy towards the top , rather grubby start and exit . Some good cimbing in between
Tough little route , pumpy towards the top , rather grubby start and exit . Some good cimbing in between
Hidden 14 Jun, 2011 2nd
Montygoo 14 Jun, 2011 2nd First trad climb for sometime, I dragged my way up but got there eventually!
First trad climb for sometime, I dragged my way up but got there eventually!
Moritz L 15 Apr, 2011 2nd O/S
with rylett
with rylett
rylett 15 Apr, 2011 Lead
gethin_allen 7 Apr, 2011 Lead O/S glad to find other people think this is tough for VS 4b. Almost came off but just about managed to down climb it to a rest.
with Chris
glad to find other people think this is tough for VS 4b. Almost came off but just about managed to down climb it to a rest.
with Chris
philb 10 Oct, 2010 2nd O/S seriously undergraded this is more like 5a 5 b beware
seriously undergraded this is more like 5a 5 b beware
Hidden 10 Oct, 2010 2nd
Si dH 28 Apr, 2010 Lead RP Fell off on first attempt after getting stuck in an awkward position between the two cracks. God knows what I was doing. An inauspicious start to the day! Much easier second attempt, stuck to the left hand crack only and it felt more like the VS warm-up I was looking for..
with Chris Foster
Fell off on first attempt after getting stuck in an awkward position between the two cracks. God knows what I was doing. An inauspicious start to the day! Much easier second attempt, stuck to the left hand crack only and it felt more like the VS warm-up I was looking for..
with Chris Foster
Hidden 28 Apr, 2010 2nd O/S
gaz_jones 8 Apr, 2010 2nd
with jack89
with jack89
jack89 8 Apr, 2010 Lead dnf Bit of a shock for the grade. Pumped out.
Bit of a shock for the grade. Pumped out.
Hidden 9 May, 2009 2nd O/S
duzinga 2 Mar, 2008 2nd O/S did not enjoy this climb. Definitely not 4b.
with Stu Bolton
did not enjoy this climb. Definitely not 4b.
with Stu Bolton
c_s_hawkins 29 Apr, 2007 -
with sarah
with sarah
Hidden ??, 2007 -
Brown 30 Nov, 2006 Solo O/S
steveb2006 4 Nov, 2006 Solo
Si Croft 19 May, 2006 Lead
with JH
with JH
JohnHutch 19 May, 2006 2nd O/S Very hard for 4b!
Very hard for 4b!
Hidden 21 Feb, 2005 Lead O/S
cem 9 Jan, 2005 2nd
with GrahamD
with GrahamD
Mark Stevenson 6 Apr, 2002 Solo O/S
crossleysm ??, 1996 Solo
IanHazzard 22 May, 1991 Solo O/S
Hidden 7 May, 1990 Solo
Andy Say 17 Oct, 1989 Solo O/S
mikej 13 Oct, 1974 Solo
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High HS
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Mid 5a
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High 4c
Mid 4c
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High 4b
Mid 4b
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Votes cast 19
Votes cast 19
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