Groove Train is undoubtedly one of Australia's most iconic sport climbs. First climbed by Ben Cossey in 2009 the route became an instant classic and a must do for climbers of the grade worldwide. Famous for big run outs and massive exposure, Groove Train climbs some of the most immaculate sandstone in the country, if not the world. This is Jacks story. A story of a long term project that required commitment and dedication, a story that sadly now, is on hold.
I just wondered, watching this and other videos, is it not cheating a bit having the quickdraws already in place? Not wanting to take anything away from the expertise and difficulty of this route, but, really, wouldn't it be 'real climbing' or as near to trad, if you had to place the quickdraw too?
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What incredible rock at Flinders Island! Who eats an orange like that though....
I just wondered, watching this and other videos, is it not cheating a bit having the quickdraws already in place? Not wanting to take anything away from the expertise and difficulty of this route, but, really, wouldn't it be 'real climbing' or as near to trad, if you had to place the quickdraw too?
When it’s a red point it is usual to have draws in place.
You're either trolling, or massively missing the point here and having some weird trad ego trip.
Is there some local ethic that prevents the first part of Firetail being bolted? Is the first section part of a trad line?