In reply to Jamie Bankhead:
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> That plus the general "post-industrial" ambience, but quite possibly the desperate nature of the problems! They are largely frictionless and require devilish amounts of finger-strength and technical ability. The first visit or two tends to involve a lot of disheartening failure. The good news is that if you persevere with it you cannot fail to improve. There's a good social scene there as well - always somebody around to offer advice or a spot.
This is pretty much spot on. I've been 20-30 times?? and I still feel like I'm getting off the ground. This is a good thing - shows how much I can improve (and how crap I am). You routinely meet very good climbers; again really good since I can't think of another outdoor venue that you can do this at. It's real inspiring to watch them go.
The atmosphere of the place is probably more threatening than anyone you'll see there. (and *completely* unique: semi- natural, seaside, Highland, Lowland, industrial, urban, in a mixing pot) Sure I heard one time that a couple climbers got beat up. Another time 20-odd wee kids plus customary wise-guys parked themselves under the Home Rule to celebrate a game. We left before they got tooo drunk. That's in 9 months, it's not a big deal.
I've never had a problem and it's by a long shot the best crag I've ever been to, so my earlier "hate to say it.." was more for it's reputation. I fr@ckin love the place