In reply to Joel:
I went for street shoe in the end, pretty painful on my little toes and got pins n needles for the first few 15 minute stints but a size up would have been too big, now ive worn them to climb they are feeling much better (it probably helps its winter and its so cold outside) at least when the summer hits they will be broken in haha.
I am loving them after being in Blackwings for so long, sticking like glue on the grit!