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 Rog Wilko 26 Jan 2025

Howard Jacobson, always thought provoking, was on Radio4 A Point of View this morning. At last someone else articulates (much better than I could) one of my pet hates. The word incredibly has become a replacement for very, or extremely. Incredible has a particular meaning which, in common with other words, is being lost, and, word by word, the language becomes impoverished.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m002752n

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 steveriley 26 Jan 2025
In reply to Rog Wilko:

Awesome. But you can’t push water uphill

I was on a zoom training session once with a US colleague. Nice guy but quite monotone. Each point punctuated with ‘awesome’ …about the least awesome things 😁

 Rupert Woods 26 Jan 2025
In reply to Rog Wilko:

“Incredibly severe” does make a route sound a lot more interesting!

 wbo2 26 Jan 2025
In reply to Rog Wilko: Pet hates is a terrble phrase in so many ways.  Lazy

 Hooo 26 Jan 2025
In reply to Rog Wilko:

That is literally incredible! So random. 😭

 Andy Johnson 26 Jan 2025
In reply to Rog Wilko:

While I'm sympathetic, especially to claims of linguistic impoverishment, in the end words mean what people want them to mean. And the social consensus on word meanings shifts over time. Expecting meanings to remain static is unrealistic, because the world changes and language is how we describe the world.

Its worth remembering that every word in every language was literally* made-up by people.

(* see what I did there?)

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OP Rog Wilko 26 Jan 2025
In reply to steveriley:

Yes, awesome is another.  It is another word that has become meaningless.

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 Tom Valentine 26 Jan 2025
In reply to Rog Wilko:

Don't worry, Rog. For every word that the language loses, another will pop up .

For instance, someone i  watched in a video yesterday was talking about not wanting to "unsend" a route.

 Andy Johnson 26 Jan 2025
In reply to Tom Valentine:

> Don't worry, Rog. For every word that the language loses, another will pop up. For instance, someone i  watched in a video yesterday was talking about not wanting to "unsend" a route.

How very cromulent

 Tom Valentine 26 Jan 2025
In reply to Andy Johnson:

Well that one definitely had me googling.

Merriam Webster refers to it as a "nonce" word. so.........

 veteye 26 Jan 2025
In reply to Rog Wilko:

At one point in the past, everything was "ace", but that became tedious, and it has for the most part, died a death.

I heard HJ's comment on Friday night, after any questions and agreed with much of it. It was also illuminating, and as you suggested, he was eloquent in his presentation.

 Dave Garnett 27 Jan 2025
In reply to Rog Wilko:

> The word incredibly has become a replacement for very, or extremely.

Yes, I recently noticed how often I used to use it in stuff I wrote decades ago.  It makes me cringe now and I actively check to edit it out!

In reply to Rog Wilko:

> Yes, awesome is another.  It is another word that has become meaningless.

Not realy. Doesn't it mean 'good'

OP Rog Wilko 28 Jan 2025
In reply to DubyaJamesDubya:

> Not realy. Doesn't it mean 'good'

Not good, I think. Just satisfactory, just what you have a right to expect.

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 Dave Garnett 28 Jan 2025
In reply to Rog Wilko:

I really like A Point of View, especially some of the regulars like Will Self and Sarah Dunant... and Howard Jacobson.  He can be a bit curmudgeonly but always eloquent (at least now he's got through his 'did I mention I'm Jewish?' phase).

OP Rog Wilko 29 Jan 2025
In reply to Dave Garnett:

Isn’t the name a bit of a giveaway?

 Dave Garnett 29 Jan 2025
In reply to Rog Wilko:

> Isn’t the name a bit of a giveaway?

Well, quite.

OP Rog Wilko 30 Jan 2025
In reply to wbo2:

> Pet hates is a terrble phrase in so many ways.  Lazy

Cliches was another thread.


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